LabattBlue Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 From an article in the Rochester D&C.... Donahoe said that neither Brown nor rookie first-round pick J.P. Losman — who suffered a broken leg last week at St. John Fisher College — will be placed on the season-ending injured reserve list. They will be carried on the active roster and be de-activated each week until they are ready to return. "I think it will automatically short-change you (at another position), but you have to do what you have to do and what's best for us is to carry four," coach Mike Mularkey said. We are going to carry four QB's for at LEAST 1 quarter of the season?? Ladies & Gentlemen could someone please explain why we would do this. Travis FREAKIN' Brown is not the future of the team nor does he appear to be a good #2 based on 4 training camps in Buffalo. Is TD saying that the other bubble guys have so little potential that we are going to cut them in order to keep Brown. And a side note to DB regarding this quote.... "Travis is a guy I'm going to fight to keep around," Bledsoe said. "He's a veteran guy who's a great help to me. He's got to get back in the meeting room and on the sidelines with me because I need him around. Much like Alex Van Pelt was the last couple years, he's a guy I lean on when I come to the sidelines. He's a guy I lean on in the mornings when I'm watching film. He's going to have to get that thing fixed and get back in the meetings." Stop worrying about saving a roster spot for your buddy and concentrate on your own play!
VABills Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 I think at least Losman, will go on the Pup list which allows us an extra slot, and the ability to activate him after, I think week 6. But that means he is out until at least then. Quite possible that Brown is placed there as well, and depending on how Matthews does, Brown may have an injury settlement and be cut before he is ready to go.
Mark VI Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 I agree. Despite all the nice things written about him, I cannot understand what the Bills see in Travis Brown. Matthews has been here 10 minutes and is already an upgrade.
Bear Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Eh....what can ya do? How Brown keeps sticking around year after year just baffles me. I always figured it was just the fact that he knew the offense and wasn't ever really expected to play. Maybe he is a good guy to have on the sideline. All I ever heard about Van Pelt was how good he was to have around, even when he did't play. He was like a second coach out there. Or maybe he's just a good luck charm? Mascot? It's got to be something!
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 I think at least Losman, will go on the Pup list which allows us an extra slot, and the ability to activate him after, I think week 6. But that means he is out until at least then. Quite possible that Brown is placed there as well, and depending on how Matthews does, Brown may have an injury settlement and be cut before he is ready to go. 12710[/snapback] When they played in the training camp and pre-season games, I don't think you can put them on the PUP. That is "Physically Unable to Play" list, and not the same as an injury while playing list.
VABills Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 When they played in the training camp and pre-season games, I don't think you can put them on the PUP. That is "Physically Unable to Play" list, and not the same as an injury while playing list. 12716[/snapback] I thought they could go on PUP up until final cut. If I am wrong, then sorry. But I thought it only mattered come the seasons first game. Guess I'll have to do some research.
VABills Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Nope I was right: http://www.vertgame.com/rules_defs.html PUP List PUP—physically unable to perform—status is used by clubs to protect a player who is relatively seriously injured but who may recover soon enough to play again that same season. It is similar to major league baseball's 60-day disabled list. Contrast this with injured reserve status, where the player is ineligible for the remainder of the season. A player who is put on the PUP list before the preseason's first roster cutdown (from 80 to 65 players) must remain inactive through the sixth week of the regular season. At that point, he has a three-week practice "window" before he must either return to the 53-man roster or end his season on injured reserve.
Rico Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Keeping 4 QB's on the 53 man roster and keeping Travis Brown, period is just too whacked out. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it, but this really makes no sense at all.
zow2 Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 So why does Zolman automatically get cut on Sunday? I agree that he's not the future,,,,but he knows the offense and most of the playbook and he happened to throw the only TD pass of the preseason in a miniscule amount of action. If Bledsoe wnats Brown around so badly then cut him and bring him back as an asst. QB coach for the season. We need three healthy QB's on the roster right now.
EZC-Boston Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Sorry clowns, this is the right move. We really can't cut Travis, he's much better than most of your arm chair coaches/GMs realize. Matthews will be gone by week four and you'll get your precious roster spot back. In the grand scheme of things this is the best move for our team.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Nope I was right: http://www.vertgame.com/rules_defs.html PUP List PUP—physically unable to perform—status is used by clubs to protect a player who is relatively seriously injured but who may recover soon enough to play again that same season. It is similar to major league baseball's 60-day disabled list. Contrast this with injured reserve status, where the player is ineligible for the remainder of the season. A player who is put on the PUP list before the preseason's first roster cutdown (from 80 to 65 players) must remain inactive through the sixth week of the regular season. At that point, he has a three-week practice "window" before he must either return to the 53-man roster or end his season on injured reserve. 12720[/snapback] According to this, it's still a roster spot. Jurevicius isn't the only player who will be sitting out practice for an indefinite period. Guard Matt O'Dwyer, who tore a pectoral muscle while lifting weights a few weeks ago, also is out. O'Dwyer was placed on the active physically-unable-to- perform list and Jurevicius on the active non-football injury list, which means they can be activated any time before the Bucs set their 65-man regular- season roster. At the time the roster is set, Jurevicius and O'Dwyer will have to be activated or placed on the inactive physically-unable-to-perform list, which requires the player to sit out six weeks. ``It doesn't give us extra guys on the roster, but you don't have to put a player on injured reserve,'' Gruden said of the benefits of putting a player on one of the active lists. ``It just basically says that the man is injured. A player will not be able to practice while on the PUP list, but can go to meetings without us having to put him on injured reserve.'' http://sports.tbo.com/sports/MGBJ80N3BXD.html
CoachChuckDickerson Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 From an article in the Rochester D&C.... "Travis is a guy I'm going to fight to keep around," Bledsoe said. "He's a veteran guy who's a great help to me. He's got to get back in the meeting room and on the sidelines with me because I need him around. Much like Alex Van Pelt was the last couple years, he's a guy I lean on when I come to the sidelines. He's a guy I lean on in the mornings when I'm watching film. He's going to have to get that thing fixed and get back in the meetings." Stop worrying about saving a roster spot for your buddy and concentrate on your own play! 12709[/snapback] I think Drew's quote speaks for itself. Travis is the only other vet we have who has been in the new system since the beginning. You don't discuss job related issues with your piers at your job? Who exactly is not going to make the active roster that you are worried about? A sixth linebacker?
AJ1 Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Keeping 4 QB's on the 53 man roster and keeping Travis Brown, periodis just too whacked out. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it, but this really makes no sense at all. 12727[/snapback] No other team would take Travis Brown if the Bills gave him away. And that's been true for the last three years. Donohoe doesn't micro-manage? Why has he forced this loser on his coaching staff? Maybe backup QBs are like kickers to TD; he thinks any bum will do.
VABills Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 According to this, it's still a roster spot. http://sports.tbo.com/sports/MGBJ80N3BXD.html 12738[/snapback] Gruden's an idiot then. Think back to last year. We cut someone (can't remember who) when we brought Willis off the PUP.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Gruden's an idiot then. Think back to last year. We cut someone (can't remember who) when we brought Willis off the PUP. 12743[/snapback] Willis didnt actively play or practice in the pre-season games. Gruden distinguished between the "inactive" pre-season PUP list, which Willis was on, and the "active" PUP list, which is what you're talking about. That is how I understand it.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 No other team would take Travis Brown if the Bills gave him away. And that's been true for the last three years. Donohoe doesn't micro-manage? Why has he forced this loser on his coaching staff? Maybe backup QBs are like kickers to TD; he thinks any bum will do. 12741[/snapback] That's just crap. How is he forcing Brown on the roster? Williams cut Brown last year, then we resigned him weeks later. In the off-season TD brought in numerous quarterbacks to look at and possibly sign, Kordell, Doug Johnson, etc. , then drafted another one #1 (to be the back-up and eventual starter) and then the coaches decided that Brown and Losman had played well enough in the mini-camps that they didnt need to have TD sign one of the veterans.
Beerball Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Donohoe doesn't micro-manage? Why has he forced this loser on his coaching staff? Maybe backup QBs are like kickers to TD; he thinks any bum will do. 12741[/snapback] AJ what the fug do you know that no one else does? TD forced Brown on the staff? Backup QBs are available 24/7. Look at how quickly they decided on Mathews. Congratulations, your post is the most idiotic in an idiotic thread. Now off to school with you. Everyone knows what's best for the team. Everyone but the head coach and GM that is.
CoachChuckDickerson Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Holy cow fellas. Some of you cannot be serious with this thread. Our number 2 and 3 QBs went down with injuries. Travis could be back week 3. JP maybe after the halfway point. TD goes out and signs a stop gap player until that point. Now you guys are gonna cry that the Bills are carrying 4 QBs. WTF. You don't have anything better to complain about? Injuries happen. When they do, you have to make the best of it. Some of you B word like a bunch of little school girls. Unreal.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Holy cow fellas. Some of you cannot be serious with this thread. Our number 2 and 3 QBs went down with injuries. Travis could be back week 3. JP maybe after the halfway point. TD goes out and signs a stop gap player until that point. Now you guys are gonna cry that the Bills are carrying 4 QBs. WTF. You don't have anything better to complain about? Injuries happen. When they do, you have to make the best of it. Some of you B word like a bunch of little school girls. Unreal. 12752[/snapback] I think posters are only looking for ways to keep the four quarterbacks available but use up only three roster spots at a time, so we don't have to cut one good player that could possibly help (like Dorenbos or Gildon or Peters or Lawton or one of the five safeties we want to keep). I don't think it can be done with the weird NFL rules.
VABills Posted August 31, 2004 Posted August 31, 2004 Holy cow fellas. Some of you cannot be serious with this thread. Our number 2 and 3 QBs went down with injuries. Travis could be back week 3. JP maybe after the halfway point. TD goes out and signs a stop gap player until that point. Now you guys are gonna cry that the Bills are carrying 4 QBs. WTF. You don't have anything better to complain about? Injuries happen. When they do, you have to make the best of it. Some of you B word like a bunch of little school girls. Unreal. 12752[/snapback] You mean to say it isn't a bunch of whining little school girls? I thought it was. Everytime I come here, I hope for the beginning of school, so they will go away.
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