K-9 Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Maybin came to the Jets WAY late in Camp and got caught up in a temporary numbers Game...The fact that they immediately brought him back shows Ryan thought he had enough ability to work with...And that "luxury" stuff, assuming the Jets have SO much talent and that's the reason Maybin is getting his sacks and FF's, is unfounded... The Jets didn't "immediately" bring Maybin back. They brought him back after three games and I believe if Bryan Thomas doesn't get hurt, Maybin never gets brought back by the Jets. As far as that "luxury" stuff, Ryan's defense is predicated on having two good man CBs which allows a ton of schematic flexibility. Just like his dad's defenses. This is a well known fact and has been for a long time. That's not the only reason that Maybin is getting his sacks (his speed and hustle can't be overlooked) but he's only used as a situational pass rusher in obvious passing situations which is Ryan's strength as as DC. He simply wouldn't be able to do that in Buffalo given the Bills' comparative lack of talent along the front seven and especially at CB. GO BILLS!!!
KOKBILLS Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 The Jets didn't "immediately" bring Maybin back. They brought him back after three games and I believe if Bryan Thomas doesn't get hurt, Maybin never gets brought back by the Jets. As far as that "luxury" stuff, Ryan's defense is predicated on having two good man CBs which allows a ton of schematic flexibility. Just like his dad's defenses. This is a well known fact and has been for a long time. That's not the only reason that Maybin is getting his sacks (his speed and hustle can't be overlooked) but he's only used as a situational pass rusher in obvious passing situations which is Ryan's strength as as DC. He simply wouldn't be able to do that in Buffalo given the Bills' comparative lack of talent along the front seven and especially at CB. GO BILLS!!! Well...As soon as they had injuries at the position they brought him back...They had no room for him before that...Ryan said they were trying to figure out a way to keep him coming out of Camp... Schematic flexibility? Looks to me that Maybin lines up on the Left Side on most Passing Downs...Puts both hands down in his crazy stance...And tries to kill the QB...Not much scheme needed there... So you're opinion is Maybin could not provide pass rush for The Bills? I'll give you one thing...Ryan certainly can provide the guidance as a Defensive mind to help Maybin along...But that's part of my point...We don't have the defensive minds in house to utilize a VERY obvious, albeit singular, talent the Kid has???...Even when it's a massive Need on this Team???...How bad is that? Especially when you invested a 1st Round Pick on him... Look, I'm not trying to make Maybin into Superman or anything like that...He is limited and in no way should he have been the #11 overall pick...But he DOES have a talent...And that talent is a major need on this Bills Team...It's actually beyond a major need...And they cut the Kid when there was ZERO reason to do so...You're making excuses for another stupid Bills decision...But worse than that you're basically saying the Kid is not really as good at what he does as it seems...Regardless of how much worse he would be in this Bills scheme, he would still be our best pass rusher...That's how bad this Team needs pass rush...That's all I'm saying... Done talking about it...Make me want to vomit...
deep2evans Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 there's no reason he shouldn't be doing this for the bills. we never gave him a legit shot.
Gray Beard Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 I keep wondering why the Bills can't do this with Moats. Last year he was a speed rush guy, this year he isn't. Is it a scheme change? Is it because the Bills coaches don't want to (or don't know how to) use that capability?
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Buffalo used the 11th overall selection of the 2009 draft on Maybin, then rarely let him on the field, criticized him relentlessly in public, then waived him early this season. Nonsensical? Not if Buffalo's new front office, which took over shortly after the Maybin choice, is more concerned with protecting its high-paid jobs than with winning. Tuesday Morning Quarterback noted just before Maybin became a Jet, "Making a great show of discussing how bad the previous Bills regime's high draft pick was creates an excuse for [bills head coach Chan] Gailey and [bills general manager Buddy] Nix to present a losing team in 2011 -- 'What did you expect, when the guys who came before us blew the team's 2009 first-round pick?'" The Bills are 5-7 and last in the NFL in sacks. If everything about their season was the same except they'd simply kept Maybin, the Bills might be in the playoff hunt. But to the coach and general manager, lining up excuses for losing was the first priority. This is just garbage. 'Nuff said.
K-9 Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) Well...As soon as they had injuries at the position they brought him back...They had no room for him before that...Ryan said they were trying to figure out a way to keep him coming out of Camp... Regardless, it took Ryan three weeks into the season and an injury to Bryan Thomas to come up with that way to keep him Schematic flexibility? Looks to me that Maybin lines up on the Left Side on most Passing Downs...Puts both hands down in his crazy stance...And tries to kill the QB...Not much scheme needed there... If you don't think that having two good man-cover CBs offers scheme flexibility, what can I say? If you haven't seen how Ryan schemes various blitz packages over the years, there are many videos out there. Is there anything happening from a scheme standpoint on the opposite side of Maybin? Does Ryan bring his patented 3 man overload to Maybin's side at all? And lining Maybin up in a wide 9 and just having him run like hell to the QB out of a 4 point stance is all the more testament to his huge limitations as a football player. So you're opinion is Maybin could not provide pass rush for The Bills? I'll give you one thing...Ryan certainly can provide the guidance as a Defensive mind to help Maybin along...But that's part of my point...We don't have the defensive minds in house to utilize a VERY obvious, albeit singular, talent the Kid has???...Even when it's a massive Need on this Team???...How bad is that? Especially when you invested a 1st Round Pick on him... I'm of the opinion that Maybin can only do one thing for a defense and he wouldn't be doing that half as effectively for the Bills because the Bills don't have the CBs and comparative front seven talent to free him up. Or have we all forgotten Maybin's patented wheel route to the QB every time we saw him play? Look, I'm not trying to make Maybin into Superman or anything like that...He is limited and in no way should he have been the #11 overall pick...But he DOES have a talent...And that talent is a major need on this Bills Team...It's actually beyond a major need...And they cut the Kid when there was ZERO reason to do so...You're making excuses for another stupid Bills decision...But worse than that you're basically saying the Kid is not really as good at what he does as it seems...Regardless of how much worse he would be in this Bills scheme, he would still be our best pass rusher...That's how bad this Team needs pass rush...That's all I'm saying... I agree Maybin has athletic ability but I still think he has a long way to go before I'll say he's got football talent. And the Bills had EVERY reason to cut him given the fact he was regularly getting his ass handed to him in practice by the likes of Wang for three seasons and looked terrible in his limited appearances. That block by Barber clinched it and it was clear he needed a change of scenery. He played himself off the roster for whatever reason. Glad he's got a new lease on his career though. Done talking about it...Make me want to vomit... Agreed. It's been talked to death around here. GO BILLS!!! Edited December 8, 2011 by K-9
Sisyphean Bills Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Maybin wouldn't have carried the Bills on his back into the playoffs. Regardless of his sack numbers with the Jets, Maybin is still a single down specialist and one trick pony. His opportunities to get on the field playing for a team playing from behind all the time would be quite limited. How many threads have there been about the Bills never blitzing? Contrast that to the Jets that use blitzes in obvious passing situations all the time in order to get their speed rushers free and unblocked. He's had some success with the Jets in a very specific role and a situation that has utilized his only asset and that, from all indications, wasn't going to happen in Buffalo. Besides, Shawne Merriman was going to stay healthy and carry the Bills defense at the same position. PS: That doesn't mean Maybin could not have been a bit of depth on a team with none and utilized (maybe even constructively) especially after Merriman succumbed to his annual season ender.
pkwwjd Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 I still think that Maybin 'Gary Anderson-ed' the Bills ... Gary just accomplished his feat much faster ...
QCity Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) there's no reason he shouldn't be doing this for the bills. we never gave him a legit shot. He was given multiple chances, under 2 different coaches/coordinators in fact. And yes, there is a reason he isn't doing this for the Bills. It's because he's an undersized, soft, situational player that gets pushed around. The only thing he's proven to anyone that actually watched him this year is that it's nice to be a 3rd-and-long pass rusher for a top five defense that blitzes more than any other team in the league. Edited December 9, 2011 by QCity
Bob in STL Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 From TMQ column: (he said that this would happen at beginning of season.) Skins-Jets note: Pass rush specialist Aaron Maybin, who had zero sacks in two seasons at Buffalo, has six sacks in his first nine games with Jersey/B, leading Rex Ryan's pressure-obsessed defense in the category. Maybin hit Rex Grossman to force the fumble that turned the game in the Jets' favor. Buffalo used the 11th overall selection of the 2009 draft on Maybin, then rarely let him on the field, criticized him relentlessly in public, then waived him early this season. Nonsensical? Not if Buffalo's new front office, which took over shortly after the Maybin choice, is more concerned with protecting its high-paid jobs than with winning. Tuesday Morning Quarterback noted just before Maybin became a Jet, "Making a great show of discussing how bad the previous Bills regime's high draft pick was creates an excuse for [bills head coach Chan] Gailey and [bills general manager Buddy] Nix to present a losing team in 2011 -- 'What did you expect, when the guys who came before us blew the team's 2009 first-round pick?'" The Bills are 5-7 and last in the NFL in sacks. If everything about their season was the same except they'd simply kept Maybin, the Bills might be in the playoff hunt. But to the coach and general manager, lining up excuses for losing was the first priority. Revisionist history. 1. Chan is known for giving EVERY player a shot. He has done that in both preseasons thus far. Maybin did not impress anyone, ever. 2. Maybin was cut buy the Jets too. He was lster called back only after injury. Call it good fortune by the Jets. If Maybin was a Bill he would most like have zero sacks. Especially playing in this system and with a weak front 7.
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