C.Biscuit97 Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Playing the OLB spot with his hand often in the ground, Upshaw REGULARLY takes on blockers head on. He does not hide behind the DLine like the ILBs (Johnson and Hightower). Rather he is part of that DLine that makes those players so successful. Thanks because honestly I haven't watched a ton of Bama this year. I watched the LSU-Bama game in a bar and was so bored, I got distracted by other things. In your opinion, what kind of player is Upshaw going to be? Is he a 3-4 OLB? Is he the pass rusher we so badly need?
sllib olaffub Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) You mean Fitz is not a franchise QB? I thought the hallmark of success is overthrowning wide open receivers down the field and only being able to complete short passes. I agree. We NEED a top QB. Fitz overthrew several people yesterday. Perahps Johnson drops the ball because it's actually where it's suppossed to be. I'm all for Griffen from Baylor. The guy has all the tools of a franchise QB. Smart, leader, responsible, great athlete, can pass in the pocket, rocket arm/accurracy. I totally agree - couldn't agree more, in fact. We need a lot of things, but to be competitve enough to get to the playoffs, we need - if Fitz is our QB, we need a lights out defense. It can't be mid level, it's got to be very good. Fitz is the kind of QB that can win with an excellent Defense, but he isn't going to win games himself, or make everyone around him look better. That is why I'm in favor of drafting a top QB and letting him sit behind Fitz for a year, if he needs it. That would give the Bills fans something to look forward to, and it would give Gailey and Nix and the new D-coordinator this draft and one more to become who they are going to become. Griffen from Baylor looks exactly like Gailey would want, and it might be just our luck (pun intended) - if he comes out - that Luck is in this draft, not to mention the other 2 QB's who are seen as top 1st round talent. If Griffen enters the draft, there are 4 QB's who might be very good to hope to get one from... I'm for taking when it's there to take. We can find a stud OLB every year - we can't find a good QB, in Buffalo, but once every twenty or so years. If the great QB is there to get, get him and don't look back. Edited December 5, 2011 by sllib olaffub
mjt328 Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 To be honest, he really doesn't impress me either. I'm no NFL scout, but I like to think that I can spot talent when I see it. Last year, I really liked Dareus, Fairly and Von Miller, and thought all would be good picks for us. I don't think Upshaw looks to be in the same ballpark as any of those guys.
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Thanks because honestly I haven't watched a ton of Bama this year. I watched the LSU-Bama game in a bar and was so bored, I got distracted by other things. In your opinion, what kind of player is Upshaw going to be? Is he a 3-4 OLB? Is he the pass rusher we so badly need? Yeah, the "Game of the Century" was quite the snoozer. Even my girlfriend was excited about it, and then it was such a let down. Hopefully the Championship game is better. My advice for next season, watch as much SEC football as possible. Especially Bama and LSU, as those are the defenses we will/should be drafting from. IMO, Upshaw is definitely a 3-4 OLB. He can rush the passer well, and stop the run. Is he a "Von Miller" when it comes to rushing the passer? No, but few are. Anyone expecting to draft that type of talent outside of the top-3 is crazy. However, Miller can also be one-dimensional. I'd compare Upshaw more to young Merriman. A stouter, intense player no matter if he is rushing the passer, stopping a run, sniffing out a screen, or pursuing a play from the backside. If we are picking around 10 (+/- a couple spots), I believe Upshaw would be a great choice there to address our needs on D.
bouds Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) Not a fan. I think his long term position is ILB in a 3-4, he won't be able to stay with TE's and he's an average pass rusher. Very little explosiveness, we need to find a guy like Aldon Smith. Upshaw can definitely set the edge against the run, but he's going to have to cover TE's at some point and he'll be exposed. Edited December 5, 2011 by bouds
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Not a fan. I think his long term position is ILB in a 3-4, he won't be able to stay with TE's and he's an average pass rusher. Very little explosiveness, we need to find a guy like Aldon Smith. Upshaw can definitely set the edge against the run, but he's going to have to cover TE's at some point and he'll be exposed. Normally we have a Safety (Scott, Wilson/Searcy) or ILB (Sheppard) on the TEs. I dont remember seeing Kelsay, Batten, Carrington, etc dropping with a TE often or ever. Maybe out in a flat, but not downfield. Please correct me if Im wrong.
BRAWNDO Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 I totally agree - couldn't agree more, in fact. We need a lot of things, but to be competitve enough to get to the playoffs, we need - if Fitz is our QB, we need a lights out defense. It can't be mid level, it's got to be very good. Fitz is the kind of QB that can win with an excellent Defense, but he isn't going to win games himself, or make everyone around him look better. That is why I'm in favor of drafting a top QB and letting him sit behind Fitz for a year, if he needs it. That would give the Bills fans something to look forward to, and it would give Gailey and Nix and the new D-coordinator this draft and one more to become who they are going to become. Griffen from Baylor looks exactly like Gailey would want, and it might be just our luck (pun intended) - if he comes out - that Luck is in this draft, not to mention the other 2 QB's who are seen as top 1st round talent. If Griffen enters the draft, there are 4 QB's who might be very good to hope to get one from... I'm for taking when it's there to take. We can find a stud OLB every year - we can't find a good QB, in Buffalo, but once every twenty or so years. If the great QB is there to get, get him and don't look back. Griffith probably won't last past the top ten, he probably will be picked before Landry Jones.
NewEra Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 <br />Too much coffee today? <br /><br />You can talk about the draft all you want, I encourage it. A statement was made that a player wouldn't fall to the Bills pick. I'm saying making that specific statement isn't very logical since we dont know where the Bills are picking. Especially since it's very possible the Bills may not win another game and pick very high.<br /><br />Also, I don't think Mathieu is draft eligible as he is a true sophomore.<br /> no coffee. Is the player in question Robert Blackmon? Well, if it is, even if we lose out, I still believe the chances of him being there when we draft to be slim to none. He's that good. Thx for the info about Mathieu. Kid is ridiculous. I'm starting to think CB might have to be the pick if Kirkpatrick or Claiborne is there. Williams is hurt...again. Let's hope this isn't a regular occurrence. If it is, CB is just a big a need as any, including OLB (not including qb, I'd take rg3 before any player other than luck and Barkley). The best teams in the league win by passing. We need to be able to do it consistently or prevent it consistently.
n3wyork13 Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Because that would entail us watching more Bills games AGREED!
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 no coffee. Is the player in question Robert Blackmon? Well, if it is, even if we lose out, I still believe the chances of him being there when we draft to be slim to none. He's that good. Thx for the info about Mathieu. Kid is ridiculous. I'm starting to think CB might have to be the pick if Kirkpatrick or Claiborne is there. Williams is hurt...again. Let's hope this isn't a regular occurrence. If it is, CB is just a big a need as any, including OLB (not including qb, I'd take rg3 before any player other than luck and Barkley). The best teams in the league win by passing. We need to be able to do it consistently or prevent it consistently. Im a big proponent of getting our LBs and DL set this draft/offseason so that in 2013 we can make a run for Mathieu in the 1st. A backfield with him and Byrd would be scary. Just need to snag a taller CB in the mid-rounds this year to go along with Williams and Rogers, as Mathieu is pretty tiny (5'7" on a good day).
bouds Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Normally we have a Safety (Scott, Wilson/Searcy) or ILB (Sheppard) on the TEs. I dont remember seeing Kelsay, Batten, Carrington, etc dropping with a TE often or ever. Maybe out in a flat, but not downfield. Please correct me if Im wrong. Finley torched Kelsay last year, when they asked him to cover, Edwards learned from that failed experiment. If we're seriously considering playing a legit 3-4, we need our OLB to cover from time to time. Matthews/Ware/Harrison/Woodley all do it.
DrDawkinstein Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Finley torched Kelsay last year, when they asked him to cover, Edwards learned from that failed experiment. If we're seriously considering playing a legit 3-4, we need our OLB to cover from time to time. Matthews/Ware/Harrison/Woodley all do it. Fair enough, I kinda remember that Kelsay issue last year. But if Harrison and Woodley can cover, so can Upshaw. Im not saying there isnt a better player in the draft. There very well may be, and Im open to suggestions. But in discussing specifically Upshaw, I think he would help improve our D.
LynchMob23 Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 I know this isnt gonna be popular but I was watching tape on him the other day and honestly he looked slow as a pass rusher and blockable with one guy. Is anybody else seeing this? I dont want to use that 1st round pick on someone who isnt going to be a immediate starter and playmaker for this team.......even if the position is corner (and I hate drafting 1st round corners) if there is a special talent at a defensive position...I think that is where we should go. He's kinda an upgrade over Kelsay, not a replacement for Merriman if that makes sense. He's a big, heavy handed OLB/DE that can play hand up or hand down and get you 6-8 sacks. He's not going to be a 10+ sack guy. I think they should take a page out of the 2007 Steelers and get two OLBs back to back - someone like him in 1 and then a Jenkins or Curry in round 2...
T master Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 You mean Fitz is not a franchise QB? I thought the hallmark of success is overthrowning wide open receivers down the field and only being able to complete short passes. I agree. We NEED a top QB. Fitz overthrew several people yesterday. Perahps Johnson drops the ball because it's actually where it's suppossed to be. I'm all for Griffen from Baylor. The guy has all the tools of a franchise QB. Smart, leader, responsible, great athlete, can pass in the pocket, rocket arm/accurracy. I agree to a point . I do like Fitz but if we are to look to the future Griffen is a great choice !! Plus Fitz would be a great teacher & not a bad back up plan if he wanted to stick around after the switch . A QB & a monster pass rusher & the Bills would be a different team -- Oh & some depth would definitely help !!!
San Jose Bills Fan Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 Way too early to say but I bet Blackmon won't be around when we pick.... I could see him going #2 to Saint Louis. Don't know anything about Blackmon but I do know that the Rams have 3 good pass rushers in Chris Long, James Hall, and Robert Quinn. Would they really draft another one on a team with a lot of weaknesses? Playing the OLB spot with his hand often in the ground, Upshaw REGULARLY takes on blockers head on. He does not hide behind the DLine like the ILBs (Johnson and Hightower). Rather he is part of that DLine that makes those players so successful. I usually wait until the combine to start trusting measurables but according to the link upthread, Upshaw is 6'2, 265 and runs a 4.73 forty. That sounds like a very atypical size for either DE or OLB regardless of scheme. I'm not saying he's a player or not because I haven't watched/don't know and certainly there are atypical players like Dumervil at 5'10" and Dwight Freeney at 6'1" but point is the same… if you trust the early measurables, Upshaw doesn't conform to a prototype and isn't the body type that pro scouts seek. Height/weight/forty time he seems very similar to Brandon Graham who was chosen 13th overall and played well before a serious knee injury.
It's in My Blood Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) . I'm starting to think CB might have to be the pick if Kirkpatrick or Claiborne is there. Williams is hurt...again. Let's hope this isn't a regular occurrence. If it is, CB is just a big a need as any, including OLB (not including qb, I'd take rg3 before any player other than luck and . If we had any resemblance of a pass rush our pass defense wouldn't be as weak as it is. My ideal scenario would be to sign Cortland Finnegan and Anthony Spencer (which is financially possible) in FA, draft Upshaw or Hightower 1st, WR in the 2nd and O-line 3rd. We have now upgraded our pass rush,solidified our secondary, gave Fitz another weapon and more protection, our IR'd players return, and our rookies are now more experienced. Playoffs! (Hey, it could happen ) Edited December 7, 2011 by It's in My Blood
K-9 Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Granted, I only have the videos and LSU game to go by, but in what little I have seen, it looks like Upshaw lacks the kind of explosion out of his stance that you'd like to see. GO BILLS!!!
tombstone56 Posted December 9, 2011 Posted December 9, 2011 at present we are in a 5 way tie for picks 11-15.. if Upshaw showcases himself in the bowl game hes likely to push himself into a top 10 pick,, its unlikely we will be in top ten being their is a 6way tie for picks 4-10.. THAT BEING SAID ID TAKE HIM WITHOUT REGRET IF AVAILABLE,,, BUT LOOK FOR DONTE HIGHTOWER his teammate OR QUENTIN COPLES from NC ,Hightower is a 1st IMO but some rate him as 2nd ,,if he slips to a 2 hes a steal,,
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