Homey D. Clown Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) To all the boneheads who think a guy who hadn't carried the ball more than 10 times a game was a bust, or not tough enough to play every down, or couldn't hit a hole, blah, blah, blah... Why aren't you posting all that garbage now? It's still early in his career, and he's clearly shown he's got some real talent, so how about questioning the pick now? Spiller is clearly the most talented guy on offense right now with Freddie out, and people around here STILL can't admit it was way off base to say we didn't need him. I'll even admit it's still a bit early to seek out all the Spiller bashers on this board, but you have to be short a few beans in your burrito to think the guy was a wasted pick. The luxury pick comment still kills me, like this team was EVER deep enough to even warrant that notion, and don't try to rationalize it with the actual fact that marshawn(Least Mode, I want out of buffalo, I have stepped sideways more than I have forwards in my career) Lynch on the team at the time, we all know the guy wasn't going to be around long, and even if he was, he really wasn't that good anyway. How about giving a guy the chance to play a few games before crucifying him around here, if you look back at even my posts, I wanted the team to give Aaron Maybin the chance to at least play a full game(I'm still not sayig what he is doing in NJ is all that amazing), I am just Sayin' to coin a phrase. Edited December 5, 2011 by McKinleys Curse
Buftex Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 To all the boneheads who think a guy who hadn't carried the ball more than 10 times a game was a bust, or not tough enough to play every down, or couldn't hit a hole, blah, blah, blah... Why aren't you posting all that garbage now? It's still early in his career, and he's clearly shown he's got some real talent, so how about questioning the pick now? Spiller is clearly the most talented guy on offense right now with Freddie out, and people around here STILL can't admit it was way off base to say we didn't need him. I'll even admit it's still a bit early to seek out all the Spiller bashers on this board, but you have to be short a few beans in your burrito to think the guy was a wasted pick. The luxury pick comment still kills me, like this team was EVER deep enough to even warrant that notion, and don't try to rationalize it with the actual fact that marshawn(Least Mode, I want out of buffalo, I have stepped sideways more than I have forwards in my career) Lynch on the team at the time, we all know the guy wasn't going to be around long, and even if he was, he really wasn't that good anyway. How about giving a guy the chance to play a few games before crucifying him around here, if you look back at even my posts, I wanted the team to give Aaron Maybin the chance to at least play a full game(I'm still not sayig what he is doing in NJ is all that amazing), I am just Sayin' to coin a phrase. While I agree with your overall point, I don't really agree with your assessment of the Lynch situation, and the need (or not) of Spiller. However, I have always been behind Spiller. He hasn't had nearly enough playing time, or nearly enough opportunity to prove his value. I also felt the same way about Maybin. It is leading me to no other conclusion that we can't always trust the Bills coaching staff (whether it was Jauron, or Gailey) to assess who are the best players on their own squads, or to put their players in a place to succeed. You just can't label a first round draft pick a bust, without giving him any chances. I love Fred Jackson, but Gailey, it seems, let Jacksons pouting about making Spiller the #1 guy (in freakin' pre-season!!!) intimidate him, it seems, into making Spiller useless. Now, out of necessity, Spiller is getting a chance, and not looking half bad...still some learning to do, but today, if nothing else, we saw a little of what the Bills saw, when they drafted Spiller.
Kipers Hair Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 To all the boneheads who think a guy who hadn't carried the ball more than 10 times a game was a bust, or not tough enough to play every down, or couldn't hit a hole, blah, blah, blah... Why aren't you posting all that garbage now? It's still early in his career, and he's clearly shown he's got some real talent, so how about questioning the pick now? Spiller is clearly the most talented guy on offense right now with Freddie out, and people around here STILL can't admit it was way off base to say we didn't need him. I'll even admit it's still a bit early to seek out all the Spiller bashers on this board, but you have to be short a few beans in your burrito to think the guy was a wasted pick. The luxury pick comment still kills me, like this team was EVER deep enough to even warrant that notion, and don't try to rationalize it with the actual fact that marshawn(Least Mode, I want out of buffalo, I have stepped sideways more than I have forwards in my career) Lynch on the team at the time, we all know the guy wasn't going to be around long, and even if he was, he really wasn't that good anyway. How about giving a guy the chance to play a few games before crucifying him around here, if you look back at even my posts, I wanted the team to give Aaron Maybin the chance to at least play a full game(I'm still not sayig what he is doing in NJ is all that amazing), I am just Sayin' to coin a phrase. So...in your opinion, Spiller's talents merit a 9th overall pick? On his best day, he's a Reggie Bush clone and most agree, he was a bust...what makes Spiller any better? He went a little later in the first round? Guys of his ilk/talent are more 2nd-4th rounders, not top 10 picks. In the right circumstances, the guy is a third down back and need-a-break fill in....
Webster Guy Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 We already had two stud running back on our team in Lynch and Freddy. We took a third one at 9 overall despite critical position needs elsewhere. That's exactly the definition of a luxury pick. I don't care if he runs for 200 yards a game, we still can't stop anybody on defense and we should've used his pick for someone like Pierre-Paul or even a stud center like Pouncey. Those guys were sitting there and we take another RB. If CJ could only rush the passer.....
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 To all the boneheads who think a guy who hadn't carried the ball more than 10 times a game was a bust, or not tough enough to play every down, or couldn't hit a hole, blah, blah, blah... Why aren't you posting all that garbage now? It's still early in his career, and he's clearly shown he's got some real talent, so how about questioning the pick now? Spiller is clearly the most talented guy on offense right now with Freddie out, and people around here STILL can't admit it was way off base to say we didn't need him. I'll even admit it's still a bit early to seek out all the Spiller bashers on this board, but you have to be short a few beans in your burrito to think the guy was a wasted pick. The luxury pick comment still kills me, like this team was EVER deep enough to even warrant that notion, and don't try to rationalize it with the actual fact that marshawn(Least Mode, I want out of buffalo, I have stepped sideways more than I have forwards in my career) Lynch on the team at the time, we all know the guy wasn't going to be around long, and even if he was, he really wasn't that good anyway. How about giving a guy the chance to play a few games before crucifying him around here, if you look back at even my posts, I wanted the team to give Aaron Maybin the chance to at least play a full game(I'm still not sayig what he is doing in NJ is all that amazing), I am just Sayin' to coin a phrase. I have to admit I underestimated Spiller. Not as good as Freddo but better than I thought. Surely we'll trade him for a low pick. We already had two stud running back on our team in Lynch and Freddy. We took a third one at 9 overall despite critical position needs elsewhere. That's exactly the definition of a luxury pick. I don't care if he runs for 200 yards a game, we still can't stop anybody on defense and we should've used his pick for someone like Pierre-Paul or even a stud center like Pouncey. Those guys were sitting there and we take another RB. If CJ could only rush the passer..... Agreed. Pick your lineman, O or D, that could have made a bigger impact starting last year.
KD in CA Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 We already had two stud running back on our team in Lynch and Freddy. We took a third one at 9 overall despite critical position needs elsewhere. That's exactly the definition of a luxury pick. I don't care if he runs for 200 yards a game, we still can't stop anybody on defense and we should've used his pick for someone like Pierre-Paul or even a stud center like Pouncey. Those guys were sitting there and we take another RB. If CJ could only rush the passer..... Exactly.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 We already had two stud running back on our team in Lynch and Freddy. We took a third one at 9 overall despite critical position needs elsewhere. That's exactly the definition of a luxury pick. I don't care if he runs for 200 yards a game, we still can't stop anybody on defense and we should've used his pick for someone like Pierre-Paul or even a stud center like Pouncey. Those guys were sitting there and we take another RB. If CJ could only rush the passer..... My dream and hope is we will see more drafts like 2012 instead of 2011. Lots of picks in the trenches. DE, OLB, OT.... Grab a real wr in free agency and now were talking
BuffOrange Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Yah the pick was clearly justified today. RB's never have these kind of games in the league unless they're top 10 picks.
GeorgeEdwardsTeeth Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 While I agree with your overall point, I don't really agree with your assessment of the Lynch situation, and the need (or not) of Spiller. However, I have always been behind Spiller. He hasn't had nearly enough playing time, or nearly enough opportunity to prove his value. I also felt the same way about Maybin. It is leading me to no other conclusion that we can't always trust the Bills coaching staff (whether it was Jauron, or Gailey) to assess who are the best players on their own squads, or to put their players in a place to succeed. You just can't label a first round draft pick a bust, without giving him any chances. I love Fred Jackson, but Gailey, it seems, let Jacksons pouting about making Spiller the #1 guy (in freakin' pre-season!!!) intimidate him, it seems, into making Spiller useless. Now, out of necessity, Spiller is getting a chance, and not looking half bad...still some learning to do, but today, if nothing else, we saw a little of what the Bills saw, when they drafted Spiller. The complaining about Maybin is all in hindsight. At the time when they released him, no Bills fans thought "maybe they gave up on him to soon." We all said good riddance because we saw how bad he was with us. I do think that his success in New York can be attributed to A.) Good players around him and B.) increased motivation. He didn't have either in Buffalo
PromoTheRobot Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 I thought Spiller played well today. The guy can't run through holes that aren't there. We did well when he had some room. PTR
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Still worthless? We'll see. He broke some nice runs and showed he can do it in the NFL. Now he needs to work a bit on "hang on to the ball" and "make that catch". It would help if someone could persuade the HC/defacto OC not to hide the running game at the start of the second half, like a pimply teen stashing porn mags under his mattress at the sound of footsteps
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 To all the boneheads who think a guy who hadn't carried the ball more than 10 times a game was a bust, or not tough enough to play every down, or couldn't hit a hole, blah, blah, blah... Why aren't you posting all that garbage now? It's still early in his career, and he's clearly shown he's got some real talent, so how about questioning the pick now? Spiller is clearly the most talented guy on offense right now with Freddie out, and people around here STILL can't admit it was way off base to say we didn't need him. I'll even admit it's still a bit early to seek out all the Spiller bashers on this board, but you have to be short a few beans in your burrito to think the guy was a wasted pick. The luxury pick comment still kills me, like this team was EVER deep enough to even warrant that notion, and don't try to rationalize it with the actual fact that marshawn(Least Mode, I want out of buffalo, I have stepped sideways more than I have forwards in my career) Lynch on the team at the time, we all know the guy wasn't going to be around long, and even if he was, he really wasn't that good anyway. How about giving a guy the chance to play a few games before crucifying him around here, if you look back at even my posts, I wanted the team to give Aaron Maybin the chance to at least play a full game(I'm still not sayig what he is doing in NJ is all that amazing), I am just Sayin' to coin a phrase. Its one game and until today he sucked.
Endless Ike Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Its one game and until today he sucked. His ypc on the season was pretty good even coming into today...try judging him by what he did with his opportunities instead of what his fantasy football value was. its not his fault Jackson was playing so well to start the year.
Orton's Arm Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 To all the boneheads who think a guy who hadn't carried the ball more than 10 times a game was a bust, or not tough enough to play every down, or couldn't hit a hole, blah, blah, blah... Why aren't you posting all that garbage now? It's still early in his career, and he's clearly shown he's got some real talent, so how about questioning the pick now? Spiller is clearly the most talented guy on offense right now with Freddie out, and people around here STILL can't admit it was way off base to say we didn't need him. I'll even admit it's still a bit early to seek out all the Spiller bashers on this board, but you have to be short a few beans in your burrito to think the guy was a wasted pick. The luxury pick comment still kills me, like this team was EVER deep enough to even warrant that notion, and don't try to rationalize it with the actual fact that marshawn(Least Mode, I want out of buffalo, I have stepped sideways more than I have forwards in my career) Lynch on the team at the time, we all know the guy wasn't going to be around long, and even if he was, he really wasn't that good anyway. How about giving a guy the chance to play a few games before crucifying him around here, if you look back at even my posts, I wanted the team to give Aaron Maybin the chance to at least play a full game(I'm still not sayig what he is doing in NJ is all that amazing), I am just Sayin' to coin a phrase. I'll agree with you up to a point: Spiller seems to have value as a player, and the potential to become more in the future than he is today. Also, players don't control where they're drafted, so it's unfair to blame him personally if he hasn't (thus far) lived up to his ninth overall billing. Over the last 40 years, the Bills have used their first draft pick on a RB ten different times, on a DB ten different times, on an OT only twice, and on a QB not at all. Not coincidentally, the Bills have lost significantly more games than they've won during that time. Unless you're getting a very special player, I'd generally be opposed to taking a RB with a first round pick. Similarly, I'm not opposed to drafting the occasional DB in the first round. But that's providing that several conditions are met. 1) That the DB is the best player available when the pick is made. 2) That the need cannot be filled internally, for example by extending a player already on the roster. 3) If the DB becomes a good player, he must not be allowed to go first-contract-and-out! Since 1993, the Bills have used six first round picks on DBs. None of whom have met the above criteria. Their track record with first round RBs during that time has been very similar. The Bills have used four first round picks on RBs during that time. While the jury is still out on Spiller, neither Antowain Smith, Willis McGahee, or Marshawn Lynch did nearly enough for the Bills to remotely justify their respective draft positions. None of those three were the best player available when they were picked, in each case the need for a RB could have (and should have) been filled by players already on the roster, and each of the three had a short tenure with the Bills. The flaws with the Bills' RB drafting "strategy" closely parallel the flaws of their DB drafting strategy. The drafting of Spiller seems to represent a continuation of this kind of strategic failure. But that shouldn't stop us from appreciating what he has to offer as a player.
thewildrabbit Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) To all the boneheads who think a guy who hadn't carried the ball more than 10 times a game was a bust, or not tough enough to play every down, or couldn't hit a hole, blah, blah, blah... Why aren't you posting all that garbage now? It's still early in his career, and he's clearly shown he's got some real talent, so how about questioning the pick now? Spiller is clearly the most talented guy on offense right now with Freddie out, and people around here STILL can't admit it was way off base to say we didn't need him. I'll even admit it's still a bit early to seek out all the Spiller bashers on this board, but you have to be short a few beans in your burrito to think the guy was a wasted pick. The luxury pick comment still kills me, like this team was EVER deep enough to even warrant that notion, and don't try to rationalize it with the actual fact that marshawn(Least Mode, I want out of buffalo, I have stepped sideways more than I have forwards in my career) Lynch on the team at the time, we all know the guy wasn't going to be around long, and even if he was, he really wasn't that good anyway. How about giving a guy the chance to play a few games before crucifying him around here, if you look back at even my posts, I wanted the team to give Aaron Maybin the chance to at least play a full game(I'm still not sayig what he is doing in NJ is all that amazing), I am just Sayin' to coin a phrase. Unless the guy turns into another Jamaal Charles or CJ2K that # 9 overall pick was a wasted pick on a "waterbug" type player when the team had many more pressing needs! Think about what Adrian Peterson @ #7 has already accomplished, or even Lynch who was a #12. Pass rusher, DE-OLB - O line, RT-LT- WR Go back and look at some the players the Bills passed on in order to draft Spiller. Players who could have started day one and helped this team immensely, instead of riding the pine for almost 2 years. Finally having ONE decent game doesn't justify the #9 overall. In his second year is not "still early in his career" as the average player only stays in the NFL 3 years. Call people boneheads all you want, this kid still has yet to prove he was worthy of that #9 overall. I can recall Spiller's first game, where he was named starter over a slightly a injured Lynch and Jackson. He stayed in the game for about 4 plays, until Chan Gailey saw that the kid couldn't block for protections, couldn't find a hole, couldn't run routes, and he was promptly benched!! Fred Jackson was sent in to replace him and Jackson had his hand in a cast. Trent Edwards threw him the ball and he caught it! Edited December 5, 2011 by Fear the Beard
Buftex Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) The complaining about Maybin is all in hindsight. At the time when they released him, no Bills fans thought "maybe they gave up on him to soon." We all said good riddance because we saw how bad he was with us. I do think that his success in New York can be attributed to A.) Good players around him and B.) increased motivation. He didn't have either in Buffalo Not really...there were a lot of folks here who labeling Maybin a bust, about 6 weeks into his first season...he rarely, if ever, played. I can honeslty say, I never heaped on Maybin, and never knew how people jumped to that conclusion. I know there were others. Gailey said, more than once, that Maybin put in the effort, but was missing something, so he wouldn't get to play, or hell, even dress for a game. I just think the coaches, whether Gailey or Juaron's guys, owe it to the franchise to at least give a first round pick an extended opportunity, during games, to see if they can play. That never happened with Maybin, and Spiller is only now getting a real chance. Unfortunately, it is only coming becasue of an injury. It is not like the Bills have been winning 10+ games, year after year, that you just can't afford to give these guys a look. I surmise that people were drawing the conclusion that Maybin was a bust because fans A) seem to take it personally when draft picks come to camp late, B) he wasn't the guy they had targeted for the Bills first pick that year and C) they assume that the coaching staff knows the player better than they do, so there is a good reason he is not only not playing, but doesn't even make the game-day roster most weeks. From what we have seen this year, Maybin has not been a complete turd for the Jets (6 sacks, two forced fumbles, at least one sack and fumble at key time in game), so how can we honestly determine that Spiller, with his 3-5 carries every other game, for his first season and a half, is a complete bust? I am just really calling into question the talent evaluation abilities of some of our coaches, from the current, and former coaching staffs. BTW- I do think Spiller was a luxury pick, but, that doesn't mean he has no value. People seem to take the franchise's mistakes out on the player...Bills fans seem to do it over and over. Edited December 5, 2011 by Buftex
VirginiaMike Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Spiller is clearly the most talented guy on offense right now with Freddie out, and people around here STILL can't admit it was way off base to say we didn't need him. I'll even admit it's still a bit early to seek out all the Spiller bashers on this board, but you have to be short a few beans in your burrito to think the guy was a wasted pick. The luxury pick comment still kills me, like this team was EVER deep enough to even warrant that notion, and don't try to rationalize it with the actual fact that marshawn(Least Mode, I want out of buffalo, I have stepped sideways more than I have forwards in my career) Lynch on the team at the time, we all know the guy wasn't going to be around long, and even if he was, he really wasn't that good anyway. How about giving a guy the chance to play a few games before crucifying him around here, if you look back at even my posts, I wanted the team to give Aaron Maybin the chance to at least play a full game(I'm still not sayig what he is doing in NJ is all that amazing), I am just Sayin' to coin a phrase. It was a bad choice for the Bills - period. They obviously needed soooo much at a number of positions that taking someone at a position in which they were pretty much set is STUPID. If they were a better team then they could affort this luxury (yes, I said luxury). The Spiller pick was a waste, just like so many of the Bills recent #1 picks. Some were bad because the player was not first round talent, others. like Spiller, we bad because they did not fulfill a need. Spiller is a good player, but not worthy of a #9 pick by the Bills.
Mr. WEO Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 After the first decent game of his career, this thread was inevitable. The OP has obviously been waiting for this day. Saying Spiller is the most talented guy on the offense is clearly an opinion (obvious bias to support the OP's crusade) not backed up by anything this kid has done on the field to date. Others have pointed out the luxury nature of this pick.
Ozymandius Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 After the first decent game of his career, this thread was inevitable. The OP has obviously been waiting for this day. That was my first thought too. He wrote this two years ago and finally got a chance to bust it out today. Good for him.
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