\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 ...about a new government courthouse that cost taxpayers $137,000,000 and came in over time and double the original budget: http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communities/downtown/article651910.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 ...about a new government courthouse that cost taxpayers $137,000,000 and came in over time and double the original budget: http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communities/downtown/article651910.ece That's news? What would really be newsworthy is a project coming in on time and/or at or near budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 That's news? What would really be newsworthy is a project coming in on time and/or at or near budget. Kind of like the new eastern span of the Bay Bridge in SF. Oh wait no......... The original bridge, which is about 4.5 miles took three years to build (1933-36) at a total cost of $77mil. That's about $1bil in today's dollars. Fast forward to today. They are replacing the easter span between Treasure Island and Oakland. The construction, which is about half the length of the original span, will take about 11 years to build at a cost of $6.3bil. So now (even with advanced techniques) it takes four times as long to build something half the length at six times the cost. WTF!?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 The big (but not new) news is that the high rise construction in Buffalo came courtesy of the government and not from private enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Kind of like the new eastern span of the Bay Bridge in SF. Oh wait no......... The original bridge, which is about 4.5 miles took three years to build (1933-36) at a total cost of $77mil. That's about $1bil in today's dollars. Fast forward to today. They are replacing the easter span between Treasure Island and Oakland. The construction, which is about half the length of the original span, will take about 11 years to build at a cost of $6.3bil. So now (even with advanced techniques) it takes four times as long to build something half the length at six times the cost. WTF!?!? Lots of toxic waste to dispose of (aside from the entirety of the existing span - no doubt covered in lead paint - I'll bet all the sediment they dredge for the new pilings is classified as "toxic waste"), wildlife protection (no doubt there's some sort of rare snail who's habitat is being disrupted or something), environmental clean-up (can't have the workers leaving McD's bags laying around). And labor IS more expensive than in the depths of the Great Depression, as well as the lives of workers - rule of thumb back in the 30's was one death per million spent on a bridge. Could you imagine the shitstorm if 77 workers died building the new span? Then there's zoning, kickbacks, building codes that have to be met (I'm sure codes are stricter now than in the 30's), indirect expenses such as detouring traffic. And probably $30M for "educating" people on the mere existence of the bridge - never mind another $20M for pedestrian safety, $30M for cyclists' safety, $10M for the "Bay Bridge - What It Means To Your Gay Lover And You" campaign, $50M to fund the Bay Bridge Homeless Shelter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Lots of toxic waste to dispose of (aside from the entirety of the existing span - no doubt covered in lead paint - I'll bet all the sediment they dredge for the new pilings is classified as "toxic waste"), wildlife protection (no doubt there's some sort of rare snail who's habitat is being disrupted or something), environmental clean-up (can't have the workers leaving McD's bags laying around). And labor IS more expensive than in the depths of the Great Depression, as well as the lives of workers - rule of thumb back in the 30's was one death per million spent on a bridge. Could you imagine the shitstorm if 77 workers died building the new span? Then there's zoning, kickbacks, building codes that have to be met (I'm sure codes are stricter now than in the 30's), indirect expenses such as detouring traffic. And probably $30M for "educating" people on the mere existence of the bridge - never mind another $20M for pedestrian safety, $30M for cyclists' safety, $10M for the "Bay Bridge - What It Means To Your Gay Lover And You" campaign, $50M to fund the Bay Bridge Homeless Shelter... :lol: :lol: Barney Frank could teach that class for a cool 15 mil.......... Ooops, over budget!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Kind of like the new eastern span of the Bay Bridge in SF. Oh wait no......... The original bridge, which is about 4.5 miles took three years to build (1933-36) at a total cost of $77mil. That's about $1bil in today's dollars. Fast forward to today. They are replacing the easter span between Treasure Island and Oakland. The construction, which is about half the length of the original span, will take about 11 years to build at a cost of $6.3bil. So now (even with advanced techniques) it takes four times as long to build something half the length at six times the cost. WTF!?!? This had me scratching my head. How is that possible? Lots of toxic waste to dispose of (aside from the entirety of the existing span - no doubt covered in lead paint - I'll bet all the sediment they dredge for the new pilings is classified as "toxic waste"), wildlife protection (no doubt there's some sort of rare snail who's habitat is being disrupted or something), environmental clean-up (can't have the workers leaving McD's bags laying around). And labor IS more expensive than in the depths of the Great Depression, as well as the lives of workers - rule of thumb back in the 30's was one death per million spent on a bridge. Could you imagine the shitstorm if 77 workers died building the new span? Then there's zoning, kickbacks, building codes that have to be met (I'm sure codes are stricter now than in the 30's), indirect expenses such as detouring traffic. And probably $30M for "educating" people on the mere existence of the bridge - never mind another $20M for pedestrian safety, $30M for cyclists' safety, $10M for the "Bay Bridge - What It Means To Your Gay Lover And You" campaign, $50M to fund the Bay Bridge Homeless Shelter... ....and sadly, it all makes 'sense' now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 This had me scratching my head. How is that possible? ....and sadly, it all makes 'sense' now. And I even forgot the $100M for the "Seatbelts save lives on the Bay Bridge" and "Speed Kills on the Bay Bridge" campaigns, and another $100M for Homeland Security's mandatory risk mitigation planning against terrorism... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 <br />And I even forgot the $100M for the "Seatbelts save lives on the Bay Bridge" and "Speed Kills on the Bay Bridge" campaigns, and another $100M for Homeland Security's mandatory risk mitigation planning against terrorism...<br /><br /><br /><br /> Throw in another $200 mil for mandatory detention centers for US citizen terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff_bills4ever Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 <br /><br /><br /> Throw in another $200 mil for mandatory detention centers for US citizen terrorists. Don't forget the $35 mil for the ecological study and conservation of the South Californian Bay Scum who's natural habitat this bridge will disrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Lots of toxic waste to dispose of (aside from the entirety of the existing span - no doubt covered in lead paint - I'll bet all the sediment they dredge for the new pilings is classified as "toxic waste"), wildlife protection (no doubt there's some sort of rare snail who's habitat is being disrupted or something), environmental clean-up (can't have the workers leaving McD's bags laying around). And labor IS more expensive than in the depths of the Great Depression, as well as the lives of workers - rule of thumb back in the 30's was one death per million spent on a bridge. Could you imagine the shitstorm if 77 workers died building the new span? Then there's zoning, kickbacks, building codes that have to be met (I'm sure codes are stricter now than in the 30's), indirect expenses such as detouring traffic. And probably $30M for "educating" people on the mere existence of the bridge - never mind another $20M for pedestrian safety, $30M for cyclists' safety, $10M for the "Bay Bridge - What It Means To Your Gay Lover And You" campaign, $50M to fund the Bay Bridge Homeless Shelter... Don't forget a dozen or so signs at $10,000+ apiece to declare that the project was funded, in tiny part, by Obama. Throw in another $200 mil for mandatory detention centers for US citizen terrorists. That's what the FEMA camps are for, duh. :lol: :lol: Barney Frank could teach that class for a cool 15 mil.......... Ooops, over budget!! That's perfectly acceptable. Mr. Frank intends to hire 68 union teaching assistants and 421 illegal immigrants. Going overbudget is fine, so long as the money is being spent the correct way. Teach union, live longer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 ...about a new government courthouse that cost taxpayers $137,000,000 and came in over time and double the original budget: http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communities/downtown/article651910.ece Ha! What do they think they are, private sector military contractors or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Ha! What do they think they are, private sector military contractors or something? Old Faithful---you're a lock to make a stupid and transparently left wing feeble comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_In_Norfolk Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Old Faithful---you're a lock to make a stupid and transparently left wing feeble comment. Trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The big (but not new) news is that the high rise construction in Buffalo came courtesy of the government and not from private enterprise. The private sector is too busy creating reuse out of all the cool old buildings. My link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The private sector is too busy creating reuse out of all the cool old buildings. My link Nice to see that 5 stories qualifies as a high rise in your book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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