ET1062 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 no, IT'S NOT! Yes it is, but let's assume you are right, HE STILL DROPPED THE FREAKING BALL TO WIN THE GAME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills1960 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Anyone else realize that his drop last year was week 12 and it's week 12 now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 EVERYONE STOP THE BASHING!!!! You need to realize that Johnson kept us in that game, he is the only one with a proven formula to beat revis in the nfl. There were NO sure catches in that game, even the one in open field that was dropped due to mental error caused by penalty confusion. The Celebration (which was hilarious) did not cause Baily to beam one of the jets with the ball before half time, that was Baily's inability to kick the ball consistantly (Baily is gone at the end of the year, thank god!). CBS has begun their annual Steve Johnson Bashing day using the highlight real, F*CK Off BOOMER and MARINO you POS losers. Bottom line is this team needs to focus on building up the trenches (OL and DL) before we take it to the next level. Lock in SJ, FJ, Chandler, and build the team around that. Fitz, Spiller and Dareus are already locked in. Everyone needs to be honest with themselves, the Bills out-played the Jets, we just need to show it on the scoreboard. Who is Bailey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET1062 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 bull ****. His celebration cost us nothing. If dave friggin rayner can hit a kickoff like any other kicker in the NFL, the jets have a much more difficult time in scoring. Blaming stevie for the kickoff is asinine, and a sign of trollish behavior from someone who doesn't understand a bit about football. Yes, we are trolls and do not understand football. Calling a squib vs. kicking thru the back of the endzone had absolulutly nothing to do with the 15 yard penalty. :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 SJ hands down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 bowe AND stevie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Bowe and SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 bull ****. His celebration cost us nothing. If dave friggin rayner can hit a kickoff like any other kicker in the NFL, the jets have a much more difficult time in scoring. Blaming stevie for the kickoff is asinine, and a sign of trollish behavior from someone who doesn't understand a bit about football. His celebration cost us 15 yards. We had no desire to kick the ball to McKnight so we called a squib. Rayner screwed up the squib and hit a Jets player. The Jets recovered and had a short field: no room for Edwards' defense to bend, so it broke. Maybe the Jets still score from their 20. Odds are pretty high that they don't..not seven, at least. We go in tied instead of up. Without Stevie's celebration, Rayner kicks it deep...the one thing we know he is capable of doing consistently. But since I don't understand a bit about football, none of the above can possibly be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Bills are gonna have two WRs in free agency. Johnson and Parrish. Parrish ain't gonna command much on the open market and neither will Johnson. So, among other positions the Bills are going to have to sign an experienced FA WR. There are three WRs with the size that seem to be the type of WR the Bills like. Dwayne Bowe, Marques Colston, Steve Johnson. No matter what the Bills will overpay for who they sign. Which of those three do you overpay? I say go with the production, "BOWE". Especially seeing he's had no QB. (side note: Bowe played for Chan when he was OC in KC) Who do you think the Bills should pay? Johnson is a player and we don't need some FA WR, our running game and QB need some work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Lock up Ruvell Martin. 8 years $100 million should do the trick. He could demand more in the open market, but he's a class guy who loves the city of Buffalo and he'll take a hometown discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) A lot of people are commenting that Stevie Johnson didn't screw up the kick which resulted in good field position and changed the momentum of the game. That's true! However, Stevie Johnson's actions directly influenced the kickoff strategy on special teams. With the new kick off rule in the NFL, kickoffs are now at the 35 yard line. Every kicker can now kick it in the endzone 80% of the time, some even more. So typically teams start at the 20 yard line give or take 5-15 yards. Now with the 15 yard penalty the kickoff is now at the 20 yard line. Now the ball is getting returned 100% of the time. The Jets have the best return game on special teams in the NFL. Now the correct strategy, which the bills did was to attempt a squib kick which they tried. A squib kick is more of a line drive kick that will bounce on the ground before the main return man, prevents setting up a main block and sometimes picked up by a bigger body not normally used to returning kicks. An attempt of a squib kick would never happen under normal kickoffs circumstances because when you get to kick the ball off at the 35 (instead of 20) you are guaranteed a kick in the opposing endzone. Yes, its the kickers fault too, but the play would have never happened if it wasn't for Stevie non football selfish actions. This is the coorelation between the penalty and the kickoff. On a squib the kicking motion is drastically different. That is the big difference between the two. Certainly he should be able to pull it of but people must realize first and foremost we wouldn't have been put in that position if it wasn't for Stevies penalty. Regardless if the bad kickoff happens or not it is still a momentum killer. Edited November 27, 2011 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 His celebration cost us 15 yards. We had no desire to kick the ball to McKnight so we called a squib. Rayner screwed up the squib and hit a Jets player. The Jets recovered and had a short field: no room for Edwards' defense to bend, so it broke. Maybe the Jets still score from their 20. Odds are pretty high that they don't..not seven, at least. We go in tied instead of up. Without Stevie's celebration, Rayner kicks it deep...the one thing we know he is capable of doing consistently. But since I don't understand a bit about football, none of the above can possibly be true. In the law, we call it an "intervening cause." Or as Peyton Manning would say, an "idiot kicker." Stevie's penalty was immature and stupid. It had nothing to do with the botched kickoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Lock up Ruvell Martin. 8 years $100 million should do the trick. He could demand more in the open market, but he's a class guy who loves the city of Buffalo and he'll take a hometown discount. What's funny about fanatic message boards, you keep repeating this last post until it becomes reality for some fool and he will feel the need to rant because Ruvell was not re-signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Blizzard Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Stevie Johnson single handidly changed the complexion of the game...and classless as well. Karma got you on the last drive buddy. I just watched the replay of his "celebration". Pretty tame if you ask me. We need some more colorful characters in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 In the law, we call it an "intervening cause." Or as Peyton Manning would say, an "idiot kicker." Stevie's penalty was immature and stupid. It had nothing to do with the botched kickoff. This lawyer says it was the proximate cause. No stupid penalty = no attempted squib = 99% chance ball goes through end zone = much more difficult row for Jets to hoe. This is hard to understand why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 This lawyer says it was the proximate cause. No stupid penalty = no attempted squib = 99% chance ball goes through end zone = much more difficult row for Jets to hoe. This is hard to understand why? Yup. Basic football common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 I think if he'd just done one or the other there would have been no penalty. But at the end of day who really cares. Neither team is going anywhere this year and we need a good draft next year to be legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 In the law, we call it an "intervening cause." Or as Peyton Manning would say, an "idiot kicker." Stevie's penalty was immature and stupid. It had nothing to do with the botched kickoff. Definitely a botch by the kicker. Definitely wouldn't be asked to make the same play (one he should make) without the penalty. Don't make it harder for everyone else so you can be on sportscenter. Even without the botch the penalty would have had them out over the 30 easy, perhaps further, instead of a possible touchback. Stevie forced his teammates to do more than they needed to and they blew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 Yes it is, but let's assume you are right, HE STILL DROPPED THE FREAKING BALL TO WIN THE GAME! two different arguments, son. i'm more than willing to agree that he dropped the game winner. that doesn't mean it's his fault that the bills kicker couldn't properly hit a squib (or whatever that horrible, horrible kick was intended to be). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted November 27, 2011 Share Posted November 27, 2011 This lawyer says it was the proximate cause. No stupid penalty = no attempted squib = 99% chance ball goes through end zone = much more difficult row for Jets to hoe. This is hard to understand why? Really? I watched both teams return most of the kickoffs today! 99% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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