youngjebrey Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 Until we lose one more game, its not over yet. Thats how I look at it. Yes, im being extremely optimistic.
IronyAbounds Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 I think Johnny Gold has been drinking a bit too much Jose Cuervo Gold. "Great Day to be a Bills Fan." Are you crazy? The team just insured no playoffs for the 12th straight year. They let a crap QB drive about 80 yards for a winning TD. The Bills will likely end up with 2 more wins than last year. Very little progress and with the brain dead brain trust in the front office drafting a bunch of losers, you really think they will win the SB next year? You are on some very potent meds buddy.
BuffaloBaumer Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 the nfl has changed. your problem is that you hold todays bills up against the standards set by the team the last time they were good - in the early 90s. the nfl of that time was completely different. free agency didnt exist yet, and to win, you didn't need to be "good enough" you needed to be extraordinary. today, if you get into the playoffs, you can win the super bowl. the packers were 10-6 last year. i live out of market. i see the patriots week in and week out. they have never, i repeat, never been a dominant team when they won the super bowl. they win ugly. you're stuck in a mindset of "if the bills arent completely dominating their opponent week in and week out, they are bad, and therefor cant win the superbowl." that was the reality of the league 20 years ago. times have changed. the bills are a few players and a healthy roster away from being an 11 win team, ergo, being a super bowl competitor. call me crazy if you want, but i would say, right now, the buffalo bills have a realistic shot of winning the super bowl NEXT year. And what happens when Stevie leaves, a couple injuries happen to the oline, they draft another RB at pick #10 and the Bills don't address any of the gaping holes in FA. They will hit December 2012 with another 4 meaningless games that time of year. Hey, At least they got close to December this year before the season was over - yippee!
Mr_Blizzard Posted November 27, 2011 Posted November 27, 2011 Sorry, but I don't think 5-11 is going to get us a top 5 pick. Agreed, and I would rather see character win us some more games. That being said, if I were Chan, I would throw more of the rookies in there and let them cut their teeth in regular season games; not the preseason garbage. Until we lose one more game, its not over yet. Thats how I look at it. Yes, im being extremely optimistic. We are done; but we can still finish with a winning record. Since we haven't seen one of those since '04, we are overdue..
MacAddict104 Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Agreed, and I would rather see character win us some more games. That being said, if I were Chan, I would throw more of the rookies in there and let them cut their teeth in regular season games; not the preseason garbage. We are done; but we can still finish with a winning record. Since we haven't seen one of those since '04, we are overdue.. Does it really matter if we finish 9-7 or 5-11? No we missed the playoffs. The more losses we have, the better chance there is that we will see change and get a better draft pick. I just don't have confidence with the front office people. Whether we have #1 or #12, there's a good chance we'll botch the pick
DrFishfinder Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Lotta really good players at the top of the draft. We've had our fun for the year (September) and it's time to lose out for draft position. Maybe we can make the top 5. Moose & squirrel from Whatsamatter U?
CSBill Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 According to this site, if the Bills win out they still have a 63.3% chance of making the playoffs yeah! baby!!!!
Koufax Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Does it really matter if we finish 9-7 or 5-11? No we missed the playoffs. The more losses we have, the better chance there is that we will see change and get a better draft pick. I just don't have confidence with the front office people. Whether we have #1 or #12, there's a good chance we'll botch the pick Every win counts more for the value to the 35 or so returning players on the 2012 team more than the improved draft position. There is no Andrew Luck in the difference between 5-11 and 10-6. But the crushing carry over of turning a 5-2 team into a 5-11 team would have a big time hangover. Right now we have to try to find a way to get to 6-6, then worry about the next game. But finishing a season on a 9 game losing streak is not a way to build a winner. AND there are always great players in the second half of the first round to go along with the Maybin/Whitner picks that show up in the top half. We need to go 3-2 to not have a losing season, and that would be a nice step forward for this team and put us on track to make a more successful playoff run next year.
bobobonators Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 lose out?? boy, we're making the PLAYOFFS!
Mr_Blizzard Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Does it really matter if we finish 9-7 or 5-11? No we missed the playoffs. The more losses we have, the better chance there is that we will see change and get a better draft pick. I just don't have confidence with the front office people. Whether we have #1 or #12, there's a good chance we'll botch the pick A team has to learn how to win regardless of whether or not it can still make the playoffs. You separate the guys who will help your team win from those who won't. I want guys who will kick, bite, and scratch their way to a win, and I want 53 of them on the roster. Regarding the draft: There are other teams that have been picking at the bottom of each round for years, and they are in the playoffs year after year. Buffalo needs to acquire players with the talent and character to duplicate their success. I'd like to see 5 more wins this season, but I would settle for 3. Go Bills!
dpberr Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Losing should never be an objective. I wouldn't want coaches, front office staff, an owner or players committed to losing out. Glad you are none of the above.
Fitzyflakes67 Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 I agree, what Stevie did was inexcusable. He needs to mature and realize the biggest statement he can make is winning the game. Believe me, I want to win. This loss hurts because we very easily COULD have won. Let's be honest here though, looking at the pass three weeks, did anyone think we would make a game out of this?...playing a team who manhandled us the past three matchups on their home court. Almost everyone predicted another blowout but we held our own against a tough defense and scored points. The first loss to the Jets turned us into a laughing stock in their eyes...remember, "same old Bills". This time the Jets know they were lucky to squeak out the win, and we showed them we can compete with them. We showed we have a WR who can play the leagues best CB. With countless injuries and everything against us we actually showed up. I'm NOT saying we should ever accept losing. I'm just saying that if we were going to lose this game, I'm glad we fought til the end and didn't have another Dallas/Miami fiasco. That would be just too horrible to bear. At least now I feel like we got back to playing better football like earlier in the year, and we will win a few more games if we keep it up.
Dragonborn10 Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 We can want them to win but not be upset with a loss and better draft position at the same time. A win for a mostly young team is good for experience. A loss gives Nix a better chance to improve the roster.
Rubes Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 to get them back on track, A bills game! Didn't work last time.
Since 1972 Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Every win counts more for the value to the 35 or so returning players on the 2012 team more than the improved draft position. There is no Andrew Luck in the difference between 5-11 and 10-6. But the crushing carry over of turning a 5-2 team into a 5-11 team would have a big time hangover. Right now we have to try to find a way to get to 6-6, then worry about the next game. But finishing a season on a 9 game losing streak is not a way to build a winner. AND there are always great players in the second half of the first round to go along with the Maybin/Whitner picks that show up in the top half. We need to go 3-2 to not have a losing season, and that would be a nice step forward for this team and put us on track to make a more successful playoff run next year. It will be a losing record, as usual.
reddogblitz Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 I hated to lose. But, I was glad to see the team playing with fire and enthusiasm. It should have been a team win if you know who caught you know what. There's no I in team, but there is an I in Stevie. It's all about Stevie.
reddogblitz Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 That's a loser mentality. We're trying to build a winning program here. Winning breeds winning. You don't learn to win by losing on purpose and then assuming you can turn it on next year after you get higher draft picks.
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Does it really matter if we finish 9-7 or 5-11? No we missed the playoffs. The more losses we have, the better chance there is that we will see change and get a better draft pick. I just don't have confidence with the front office people. Whether we have #1 or #12, there's a good chance we'll botch the pick Maybe we can get another Mike Williams!!! And Bradford is sure tearing it up this year!!! Or all the busts teh Lions picked top 5. Some of you have never played a sport in your life. You gain nothing by losing. The Bills have had a losing culture. The only way to change that is to starting winning. You can eff a high pick as easily as you can eff a late one. IMO, this team would benefit greatly from finishing 8-8 or better.
SactoBillFan Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 Lotta really good players at the top of the draft. We've had our fun for the year (September) and it's time to lose out for draft position. Maybe we can make the top 5. I don't think that is going to happen. Probably end up a mediocre 8-8 type season. Just don't believe the players are going to lay down.
Doc Posted November 28, 2011 Posted November 28, 2011 With their injuries, the Bills are bringing a knife to a gun fight. With the way this season has gone, I have no problem if they lose the rest of the games and get a better draft pick. They weren't/aren't making the playoffs (and neither are the Jets). What I don't want to see is what it looked like the previous 3 games, i.e. that they'd given up. So that was good to see yesterday.
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