Bills Could Avoid Most of Fitz's New Deal

[bananathumb]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/21/bills-could-avoid-most-of-fitzpatricks-new-deal/

 

 

Thanks for the link. This is very good to know. Don't think Wilson will eat the $10 million, but you need Fitz for one more year anyway. Hopefully, after that....we'll have someone younger and Better!

[BillsFan-4-Ever]

Per a league source, the Bills could trade or cut Fitzpatrick before the seventh day of the 2012 league year and owe him nothing further than the $3.22 million base salary he was already due to earn in 2011 and the $10 million signing bonus he was paid upon inking the new deal last month.

 

 

I knew it was too early to renegotiate Fitz. I'd have rather they dealt with Fred and or Stevie first.

[H2o]

One name, Matt Barkley. I like what RG3 brings to the table as well, but I am officially on the Barkley bandwagon after watching 5 USC games this year. He is every bit the QB that Andrew Luck is, if not more so, only he is not as mobile. I really hope this kid is on the board when we pick in the 1st Round come April and our FO makes the right decision. If Barkley is gone and we get RG3 instead, I wouldn't be disappointed either. RG3 reminds me of a slightly smaller version of Cam Newton who seems to be more polished as a passer at this stage.

Edited November 22, 2011 by H2o

[stinky finger]

he's not the only reason for our fall from grace, but his play the last 3 games has most definitely been part of the problem. If you disagree, you either don't watch the games or you're blind. His play has been dreadful, even when he has time to throw, his passes are usually too high or too low. Yes, the wrs dropped a bunch of passes, but he's also throw a LOT of bad passes.

Hear that.......just like Eli Manning.

[dpberr]

I wouldn't dump Fitz. Upgrade the WRs with proven WR talent as an appropriate investment in your QB and offense.

 

No rookies or practice squad guys or feel good stories.

 

2012 will have some very good talent available.

[Gordio]

And yet again, we prepare to sacrifice a QB at the altar of inadequate blocking and second tier receiving corps.

This is just a bad arguement. Name one QB since Kelly retired that left the Bills & lit up the league somewhere else. Let's see, Todd Collins, nope career backup, Doug Flutie, had a decent 5-6 game stretch & at the end of the year was benched for a rookie named Drew Brees, Drew Bledsoe, nope was eventually benched with the Cowboys, Jp Losman, nope went to the arena league, was cut by the seahawks & now is backup with the Dolphins, Trent Edwards, nope is out of the league. My point is has it ever occurred to you that the QBs that have been brought in here since JK retired have been absolute crap? Nah that couldn't be it it could it?

[Canadian Bills Fan]

lets say we end up with pick 15-20 in round 1.

 

what do you think it would take to move to #1? lol I half joke and I'm half serious

[Fan in Chicago]

This is just a bad arguement. Name one QB since Kelly retired that left the Bills & lit up the league somewhere else. Let's see, Todd Collins, nope career backup, Doug Flutie, had a decent 5-6 game stretch & at the end of the year was benched for a rookie named Drew Brees, Drew Bledsoe, nope was eventually benched with the Cowboys, Jp Losman, nope went to the arena league, was cut by the seahawks & now is backup with the Dolphins, Trent Edwards, nope is out of the league. My point is has it ever occurred to you that the QBs that have been brought in here since JK retired have been absolute crap? Nah that couldn't be it it could it?

Of the list that you provide, I can argue that both JP and Trent Edwards' careers were destroyed by lack of player development. Both did not have stability in terms of a good OL, consistent OCs and stable receiving corps. Bledsoe was let go one season too soon which could have helped JP develop. And mind you, I am NOT looking for a Brady, Rodgers or Manning type of QB. A half way decent one such as Rivers or Flacco would have been more than adequate for the Bills success.

Coming back to Fitz, he is also by no means an elite QB and I don't think he ever will be. But he is a very good stop gap and a bridge to whenever we draft our own Roethlisberger. UNtil such a time, Fitz needs atleast a decent OL and some stud WRs which will get us to the playoffs. Hence, instead of running Fitz out of town in the coming offseason or one week into the 2012 season, we are better off drafting/acquiring a rookie QB, OL, WR (I am talking about offense only right now) and allowing this rook to develop under Fitz.

So that is the point of my post.

 

lets say we end up with pick 15-20 in round 1.

 

what do you think it would take to move to #1? lol I half joke and I'm half serious

Probably most of the top half of our draft and then some. Not a trade that Nix is likely to make. Most likely we sit and trade up a couple of spots if a premier QB is available. The good news is that of the teams likely to pick before us(as it looks now), only the Redskins and Cardinals are likely to pick a QB. Which will leave us with the third best QB in the draft which wont be too bad I suppose.

[The Senator]

One name, Matt Barkley. I like what RG3 brings to the table as well, but I am officially on the Barkley bandwagon after watching 5 USC games this year. He is every bit the QB that Andrew Luck is, if not more so, only he is not as mobile. I really hope this kid is on the board when we pick in the 1st Round come April and our FO makes the right decision. If Barkley is gone and we get RG3 instead, I wouldn't be disappointed either. RG3 reminds me of a slightly smaller version of Cam Newton who seems to be more polished as a passer at this stage.

I've been saying all season that Barkley will be a better NFL QB than Andy-Boy.

 

Unfortunately the Bills would still have to 'lose out' to have a shot at drafting Barkley. I'm sure there are some here that would support - even encourage - losing, but the Bills will have to be content drafting someone like Arizona's Nick Foles or OSU's Brandon Weedon on day 3 to groom behind Fitz for a season or two.

 

It'll be interesting to see which one Polian picks - Luck or Barkely.

 

GO BILLSSS!!!!

 

14 and 5 baby!!!!!

"I expect to win." - Chan Gailey

 

[BuffaloBaumer]

lets say we end up with pick 15-20 in round 1.

 

what do you think it would take to move to #1? lol I half joke and I'm half serious

 

If Fitz does not get out of this funk and really did prove to just be a flash in the pan, they HAVE to find a way to get one of the top 3 QBs in the draft. I don't know much after Luck, Barkley and Griffin so hopefully someone else emerges. I can't see the Bills moving up to get a QB because that FO is dumb AND stubborn.

[Gordio]

Of the list that you provide, I can argue that both JP and Trent Edwards' careers were destroyed by lack of player development. Both did not have stability in terms of a good OL, consistent OCs and stable receiving corps. Bledsoe was let go one season too soon which could have helped JP develop. And mind you, I am NOT looking for a Brady, Rodgers or Manning type of QB. A half way decent one such as Rivers or Flacco would have been more than adequate for the Bills success.

Coming back to Fitz, he is also by no means an elite QB and I don't think he ever will be. But he is a very good stop gap and a bridge to whenever we draft our own Roethlisberger. UNtil such a time, Fitz needs atleast a decent OL and some stud WRs which will get us to the playoffs. Hence, instead of running Fitz out of town in the coming offseason or one week into the 2012 season, we are better off drafting/acquiring a rookie QB, OL, WR (I am talking about offense only right now) and allowing this rook to develop under Fitz.

So that is the point of my post.

 

 

 

I hear ya, but that is all I am saying, if there is a guy in the board that they believe is franchise material they should grab him. Fitz is what he is, a stop gap qb that will win you some games but in the end is really just not good enough.

 

As far as Losman/Edwards & being ruined here. I played softball against a former offensive coach for the Bills a year ago & a couple of the guys got to talking to him about the state of the bills after the game. Now keep in mind this guy was no longer employed by the Bills when we spoke to him. We asked about Losman/Edward, both were let go at that time. He said Losman was so dumb that they had to dummy down the playbook & only could use about 25% of it when he was under center because he just did not understand the position & he basically said in not so many words Edwards was the biggest p*ssy he has ever seen play QB. Take it for what it is worth but I think that is a pretty accurate description of both QBS. They both stunk.

Edited November 22, 2011 by Gordio

[dpberr]

I think signing and then turning around and suddenly cutting players isn't going to make Buffalo an attractive place for free agents. While you can do this sort of thing in Madden, it's toxic insofar as business relationships go and the Bills have more than enough challenges landing free agents already.

[Kipers Hair]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/21/bills-could-avoid-most-of-fitzpatricks-new-deal/

Thanks God...there was some sense in the front office when this deal was crafted....

[billsfreak]

I had a suspicion this was a possibility. I'd rather he starts to play better so we dont have to roll with Tyler Thigpen

I would rather we try a different option all together. Thigpen sucks, that is plain to see, he only has a job here because of his connection to Gailey (maybe they both can go). There are some options out there that have just as good (if not better) chance of succeeding then Fitz does, and would be cheaper then that disastrous contract they gave him. They could get Brady Quinn, Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, maybe even Tebow, as well as others. Are any of these guaranteed to be franchise quarterbacks, no of course not, but it is now plain to all, and has always been plain to see for some of us, that Fitz sure the heck isn't a franchise QB.

 

I think signing and then turning around and suddenly cutting players isn't going to make Buffalo an attractive place for free agents. While you can do this sort of thing in Madden, it's toxic insofar as business relationships go and the Bills have more than enough challenges landing free agents already.

Either is having a quarterback that everyone knows you cannot win with, having an owner who everyone knows winning is on the back burner, having a GM that is like talking to Judd Clampett, a head coach who hasn't been successful on his own merit anywhere in the NFL, a coaching staff that is a revolving door, an offense without a skill position player that was drafted higher then the 7th round who isnt a complete bust, and a defense that couldn't stop Ralph himself running the ball. Point is, cutting Fitz would be smart for the future of the organization, is only one of the many, many reasons Buffalo isn't attractive to top level free agents, and they really need to get rid of Nix along with him, before he totally screws up yet another draft.

 

lets say we end up with pick 15-20 in round 1.

 

what do you think it would take to move to #1? lol I half joke and I'm half serious

We are going to end up with 6 or 7 wins at best, are there really going to be 15-20 teams worse then us?

[BuffOrange]

Of the list that you provide, I can argue that both JP and Trent Edwards' careers were destroyed by lack of player development.

 

Haha, oh wow.

[ajzepp]

One name, Matt Barkley. I like what RG3 brings to the table as well, but I am officially on the Barkley bandwagon after watching 5 USC games this year. He is every bit the QB that Andrew Luck is, if not more so, only he is not as mobile. I really hope this kid is on the board when we pick in the 1st Round come April and our FO makes the right decision. If Barkley is gone and we get RG3 instead, I wouldn't be disappointed either. RG3 reminds me of a slightly smaller version of Cam Newton who seems to be more polished as a passer at this stage.

I'm with you on that one...I didn't see BArkley at all last year, but have had the chance to watch him a few times this season. That USC vs Stanford game alone showed what kind of player he is. Goign up against Luck, he matched him play for play and, IMO, made more clutch throws than Luck did. Barkley is a gamer, and I'd love to see him in a Bills uni. Also agree about RGIII, although I have only seen him play once..just theis past weekend against Oklahoma. What a huge throw he made at the end to win it...

[NewEra]

<br />Its a team sport. Bills problems go way further than Fitzpatrick. No rookie QB is going to make Bills a playoff contender. Bills need OT and wide outs who can handle physical DBs. He also needs a defense that can stop opposing teams from running up score and killing game plan before half time. Give Fitzpatrick some weapons before blaming him for bad offense.<br />

. Watch his throws the last few weeks. He's been god awful. Yes, our wrs have been equally bad, but a lot of blame goes to him. Im sure Fitz would agree 100%

 

<br />One name, Matt Barkley. I like what RG3 brings to the table as well, but I am officially on the Barkley bandwagon after watching 5 USC games this year. He is every bit the QB that Andrew Luck is, if not more so, only he is not as mobile. I really hope this kid is on the board when we pick in the 1st Round come April and our FO makes the right decision. If Barkley is gone and we get RG3 instead, I wouldn't be disappointed either. RG3 reminds me of a slightly smaller version of Cam Newton who seems to be more polished as a passer at this stage.<br />

spot on regarding Barkley, but there's no chance he's there for us. He'll be long gone. I agree with Griffen as well. I'd be happy with either, but I'd shed many tears of happiness if we landed Barkley.

 

<br />lets say we end up with pick 15-20 in round 1.<br /><br />what do you think it would take to move to #1? lol I half joke and I'm half serious<br />

I'm thinking 11-15.

 

<br />I've been saying all season that Barkley will be a better NFL QB than  Andy-Boy. <br /><br />Unfortunately the Bills would still have to 'lose out' to have a shot at drafting Barkley.  I'm sure there are some here that would support -  even <i>encourage</i> - losing,  but the Bills will have to be content drafting someone like Arizona's Nick Foles or OSU's Brandon Weedon on day 3 to groom behind Fitz for a season or two.<br /><br /> It'll be interesting to see which one Polian picks - Luck or Barkely. <br /><br /><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font size="5"><font color="#0000FF"><b><br /></b></font></font></font><i><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font size="5"><font color="#0000FF"><b>GO BILLSSS!!!!</b></font></font></font><br /><br />14 and 5 baby!!!!! <img src='http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br /><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font color="#FF0000"><b><br />"I expect to win." <font size="1">- Chan Gailey</font></b></font></font><br /><br /></i><br />

. I would have said you were crazy, prior to now. I agree, the coltsmare going to have a tough decision to make, and I wouldn't be shocked if they took Barkley. He's an ABSOLUTE stud. I'd trade my 1st, 2nd and 3rd for him. I'm sure that thought would make most on tsw sick and I'm ready to take some heat. We have a TON of holes, but none bigger than a stud QB. Get your qb when you have a chance and build around him. Barkleys a can't miss in my eyes. Flame away, I can understand if you hate the idea, I just want a Great Qb on our roster. It's been too long.

[dayman]

Just saying this is something that I guess could happen if we don't play better on offense. I think we all assume we will play better, even the most negative of us. We basically have to we're bottomed out. But if we don't for another 4 or 5 games can anyone really say we may not do this? They were debating this on Around the Horn. Personally I would say it seems like a panic move but if it were 5 weeks down the line and he looks the same and the offense is still pathetic...I don't know. Can't say I would be excited about having Fitzpatrick around as our undisputed guy if that were the case.

[Beerball]

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[Orton's Arm]

As far as Losman/Edwards & being ruined here. I played softball against a former offensive coach for the Bills a year ago & a couple of the guys got to talking to him about the state of the bills after the game. Now keep in mind this guy was no longer employed by the Bills when we spoke to him. We asked about Losman/Edward, both were let go at that time. He said Losman was so dumb that they had to dummy down the playbook & only could use about 25% of it when he was under center because he just did not understand the position & he basically said in not so many words Edwards was the biggest p*ssy he has ever seen play QB. Take it for what it is worth but I think that is a pretty accurate description of both QBS. They both stunk.

 

I recall reading an article which indicated that the Bills' offense in the second half of 2006 was considerably dumbed down for the benefit of Losman. In addition, he did nothing in college to suggest that he had the brains to succeed at the NFL level. Quarterbacks taken for their physical gifts--as he was--often struggle with the mental aspects of the game. Your description of Losman dovetails with what I've learned elsewhere. That pick had bust written all over it from the moment it was made.

 

. Watch his throws the last few weeks. He's been god awful. Yes, our wrs have been equally bad, but a lot of blame goes to him. Im sure Fitz would agree 100%

 

spot on regarding Barkley, but there's no chance he's there for us. He'll be long gone. I agree with Griffen as well. I'd be happy with either, but I'd shed many tears of happiness if we landed Barkley.

 

I'm thinking 11-15.

 

. I would have said you were crazy, prior to now. I agree, the coltsmare going to have a tough decision to make, and I wouldn't be shocked if they took Barkley. He's an ABSOLUTE stud. I'd trade my 1st, 2nd and 3rd for him. I'm sure that thought would make most on tsw sick and I'm ready to take some heat. We have a TON of holes, but none bigger than a stud QB. Get your qb when you have a chance and build around him. Barkleys a can't miss in my eyes. Flame away, I can understand if you hate the idea, I just want a Great Qb on our roster. It's been too long.

If you believe he's a franchise QB, he's worth a lot more than just a first, second, and third. Would you trade CJ Spiller, Troup, and Carrington away for Aaron Rodgers? I'd make that trade in a heartbeat! For that matter, I'd throw in Dareus, Williams, and Shepherd as well. I realize Dareus is a very good player, but finding a franchise QB really is that important. The Bills haven't had a franchise QB since Kelly hung up his cleats. Coincidentally, the Bills haven't won a playoff game since Kelly hung up his cleats.