Webster Guy Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) Yesterday we got embarrassed on offense because we have no backup center and no receivers getting open. We have a great RB, TE, FB and a decent QB. Hangartner would've stepped in an done a fine job with the QB he's snapped to a thousand times. Levitre would've played guard where he belongs and you would have seen a different game. So we let Evans go for the same amount of money we signed Brad Smith for (about $7 mil for the next two years). If you could switch the two right now, would you? I know I would, I know Fitz would too. All you Evans detractors that say he was washed up can babble all you want, the guy got open and had great hands. Speaking of Brad Smith, if you think you're disappointed in his production now, wait until he fumbles a kickoff return which I guarantee he will if he continues to swing the ball around when he runs like that. I am benching Smith and Spiller immediately and putting Mckelvin back there to return kicks. CJ for punts. I'm not going to say Ralph is cheap because I honestly don't think he's with it enough to care anymore, but depth isn't just about draft picks and free agency pickups, it's about keeping your veterans who shine when you need leadership and experience. You can't play a full season without key injuries, and if your only plan is hope nobody gets hurt, you're bound to end up where we are right now-- lost. Does anybody think the 4th round pick we got for Evans is going to help us? How many 4th round picks do we have out there now helping us? I'm not usually a negative poster but I can't sit here and listen to our management say depth is a problem and then watch them funnel our experienced guys out the back door to save money. Depth is a problem because of your shortsightedness and failure to value the continuity and contributions of our veteran players. You made this bed Nix. Edited November 21, 2011 by Webster Guy
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Yesterday we got embarrassed on offense because we have no backup center and no receivers getting open. We have a great RB, TE, FB and a decent QB. Hangartner would've stepped in an done a fine job with the QB he's snapped to a thousand times. Levitre would've played guard where he belongs and you would have seen a different game. So we let Evans go for the same amount of money we signed Brad Smith for (about $7 mil for the next two years). If you could switch the two right now, would you? I know I would, I know Fitz would too. All you Evans detractors that say he was washed up can babble all you want, the guy got open and had great hands. Speaking of Brad Smith, if you think you're disappointed in his production now, wait until he fumbles a kickoff return which I guarantee he will if he continues to swing the ball around when he runs like that. I am benching Smith and Spiller immediately and putting Mckelvin back there to return kicks. CJ for punts. I'm not going to say Ralph is cheap because I honestly don't think he's with it enough to care anymore, but depth isn't just about draft picks and free agency pickups, it's about keeping your veterans who shine when you need leadership and experience. You can't play a full season without key injuries, and if your only plan is hope nobody gets hurt, you're bound to end up where we are right now-- lost. Does anybody think the 4th round pick we got for Evans is going to help us? How many 4th round picks do we have out there now helping us? I'm not usually a negative poster but I can't sit here and listen to our management say depth is a problem and then watch them funnel our experienced guys out the back door to save money. Depth is a problem because of your shortsightedness and failure to value the continuity and contributions of our veteran players. You made this bed Nix. Hoiw van an NFL team not have a backup Center? I mean, reallY?
CBD Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Levitre was terrible with the shotgun snaps, but recall that Hangartner was making decent money and looked like absolute garbage in the preseason. The sin was not bringing in someone else who could play center or at least realizing Levitre could not, not cutting Hangman.
zow2 Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 I'm still OK with the Evans thing. He hasn't played a lick for Baltimore and they are more than disappointed with him. I'll gladly take the 4th. My main issue like everyone else is with the depth. Seems like every other NFL team can plug guys in. We get an injury and it's lights out...we're done. Just pathetic.
Coach Tuesday Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 It has NOTHING to do with Nix - he doesn't make those kinds of decisions.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Evans would not be helping us much. Hanny, maaaybe. Getting blown out 3 weeks in a row has little to do with those guys being gone.
Santana Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Yesterday we got embarrassed on offense because we have no backup center and no receivers getting open. We have a great RB, TE, FB and a decent QB. Hangartner would've stepped in an done a fine job with the QB he's snapped to a thousand times. Levitre would've played guard where he belongs and you would have seen a different game. So we let Evans go for the same amount of money we signed Brad Smith for (about $7 mil for the next two years). If you could switch the two right now, would you? I know I would, I know Fitz would too. All you Evans detractors that say he was washed up can babble all you want, the guy got open and had great hands. Speaking of Brad Smith, if you think you're disappointed in his production now, wait until he fumbles a kickoff return which I guarantee he will if he continues to swing the ball around when he runs like that. I am benching Smith and Spiller immediately and putting Mckelvin back there to return kicks. CJ for punts. I'm not going to say Ralph is cheap because I honestly don't think he's with it enough to care anymore, but depth isn't just about draft picks and free agency pickups, it's about keeping your veterans who shine when you need leadership and experience. You can't play a full season without key injuries, and if your only plan is hope nobody gets hurt, you're bound to end up where we are right now-- lost. Does anybody think the 4th round pick we got for Evans is going to help us? How many 4th round picks do we have out there now helping us? I'm not usually a negative poster but I can't sit here and listen to our management say depth is a problem and then watch them funnel our experienced guys out the back door to save money. Depth is a problem because of your shortsightedness and failure to value the continuity and contributions of our veteran players. You made this bed Nix. I understand your frustration but what is Lee Evans doin? or what has he done this year? It's kind of clear that there was something wrong with him that the bills seen. He's not being productive at all. Hangarter was just a horrible release and I never knew why they let him go. Brad smith is just a little to slow for my liking when it comes to returning kicks. It should definitely be spiller and mckelvin back there, I agree with you.
Billy in 4C Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 There is no excuse for Hangartner - that was all money. They also overvalued what they had at WR. I don't think they were prepared for a early season playoff run so they didn't give the team what they needed to compete over a full season.
xsoldier54 Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Lee Evans has exactly two receptions in two games for Baltimore this year. Are you sure you want to make him the saviour of this team? Hangartner regularly got pushed around and was generally abysmal. The fact is that this entire team needs to man up and start playing real football. The question is, do they have it in them to do so? I don't think so. If they did, it would have kicked in by now. After that Jets loss, most teams would have been embarrassed enough to play tougher the next week. This team's answer? Two more games where they got blown out and pushed around. I just don't think they are tough enough to rebound.
Fan in Chicago Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 I'm not usually a negative poster but I can't sit here and listen to our management say depth is a problem and then watch them funnel our experienced guys out the back door to save money. Depth is a problem because of your shortsightedness and failure to value the continuity and contributions of our veteran players. You made this bed Nix. These last two weeks have made it obvious that all these 'trust me, we know football' decisions since the beginning have caught up with the team. Here are decisions which were justified for one reason or the other at the time and are now looking to be a series of miscues: - Hiring George Edwards: At the time of the hire, there was no indication of why he would have been good - Picking Spiller with the #9 pick: Was supposed to be a playmaker. ANd yet in 1.5 seasons has done no more than we expect out of a 5th or 6th rounder. BPA he was not - Letting Poz, Whitner go: Not saying these were great but created holes where we did not have to. I can excuse Poz as we replaced with a better LB in Barnett. However, we seem to just create holes and patch up instead of re-building - Trading Evans: I reconciled at the time saying he wasnt getting open and we wouldnt be able to use him as we dont have the OL to sustain blocks. However, seeing Stevies' underwhelming numbers this year, it is becoming obvious that Evans' presence was helping Stevie (and the Bills) a lot. The fact that he is injured now does not excuse the decision to let him go as it was not known he would get injured at that time - Letting Hang go: Sure he looked 'weak' but he would be a good swing backup as G and C. Nix has blown smoke for a while now. 'Build through the draft and keep your own' ? Really ?
DrDawkinstein Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 These last two weeks have made it obvious that all these 'trust me, we know football' decisions since the beginning have caught up with the team. Here are decisions which were justified for one reason or the other at the time and are now looking to be a series of miscues: - Hiring George Edwards: At the time of the hire, there was no indication of why he would have been good - Picking Spiller with the #9 pick: Was supposed to be a playmaker. ANd yet in 1.5 seasons has done no more than we expect out of a 5th or 6th rounder. BPA he was not - Letting Poz, Whitner go: Not saying these were great but created holes where we did not have to. I can excuse Poz as we replaced with a better LB in Barnett. However, we seem to just create holes and patch up instead of re-building - Trading Evans: I reconciled at the time saying he wasnt getting open and we wouldnt be able to use him as we dont have the OL to sustain blocks. However, seeing Stevies' underwhelming numbers this year, it is becoming obvious that Evans' presence was helping Stevie (and the Bills) a lot. The fact that he is injured now does not excuse the decision to let him go as it was not known he would get injured at that time - Letting Hang go: Sure he looked 'weak' but he would be a good swing backup as G and C. Nix has blown smoke for a while now. 'Build through the draft and keep your own' ? Really ? Yeah! 4 mistakes in the first 2 years of a COMPLETE FRANCHISE rebuild?!? Unacceptable!!...
Dorkington Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 I'm not convinced that Nix has made a single good decision. I mean, there was Dareus, but even he hasn't fixed our issues on the line, so I'm not sure how good he is.
dave mcbride Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Lee Evans has exactly two receptions in two games for Baltimore this year. Are you sure you want to make him the saviour of this team? Hangartner regularly got pushed around and was generally abysmal. The fact is that this entire team needs to man up and start playing real football. The question is, do they have it in them to do so? I don't think so. If they did, it would have kicked in by now. After that Jets loss, most teams would have been embarrassed enough to play tougher the next week. This team's answer? Two more games where they got blown out and pushed around. I just don't think they are tough enough to rebound. Lee Evans ended up getting hurt in the preseason for Baltimore (foot), and there's no way to predict whether he would have suffered the same injury here. If he had stayed here, he may have been fine. It's the luck of the draw, and it's not like he's an injury prone player.
dpberr Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 It'd be nice if the front office would go out and get some WRs and perhaps a C this week instead of screwing around with practice squad guys who've played as many NFL games as we all have. I'm not going to be amused if Gailey uses Levitre at Center again. It didn't work. Do something else. It is shocking that despite us being nuked from near earth orbit the last three weeks, we are still in it. Should KC pull off something big tonight, it will indeed tell me the cosmic forces for a Bills playoff berth are not only aligned but refuse to go away despite our best attempts.
BringBackFergy Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 I'm still OK with the Evans thing. He hasn't played a lick for Baltimore and they are more than disappointed with him. I'll gladly take the 4th. My main issue like everyone else is with the depth. Seems like every other NFL team can plug guys in. We get an injury and it's lights out...we're done. Just pathetic. Exactly
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 I'm not convinced that Nix has made a single good decision. I mean, there was Dareus, but even he hasn't fixed our issues on the line, so I'm not sure how good he is. C'mon, man! He extended Kelsay for cryin' out loud.
Fan in Chicago Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Yeah! 4 mistakes in the first 2 years of a COMPLETE FRANCHISE rebuild?!? Unacceptable!!... You are better than such a response, DrD. Even though I listed 'only' four, Such mistakes are crucial. Especially the decision to hire GEdwards may have been the worst of them as he has shown to be incapable of putting players in a position to succeed. Spencer Johnson, Carrington as LBs ? Leaving middle wide open ? Lee Evans ended up getting hurt in the preseason for Baltimore (foot), and there's no way to predict whether he would have suffered the same injury here. If he had stayed here, he may have been fine. It's the luck of the draw, and it's not like he's an injury prone player. Exactly. The decision was wrong at the time it was made, not in retrospect.
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Exactly. The decision was wrong at the time it was made, not in retrospect. While Nix fell on the sword as a public spectacle, there is little doubt that he is not the one originating recent salary dump roster moves.
Mr. WEO Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Yeah! 4 mistakes in the first 2 years of a COMPLETE FRANCHISE rebuild?!? Unacceptable!!... Somehow, you missed his point.
DrDawkinstein Posted November 21, 2011 Posted November 21, 2011 Somehow, you missed his point. Help me out. Just re-read the post and what I take from it is "Buddy Nix doesnt know football". Is that the point?
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