3rdnlng Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1111/biden_hidin_e42e6930-e288-47d8-9a86-b6a3cca55b8a.html If this administration stated that the stovetop was hot I'd probably touch it just because they never tell the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1111/biden_hidin_e42e6930-e288-47d8-9a86-b6a3cca55b8a.html If this administration stated that the stovetop was hot I'd probably touch it just because they never tell the truth. They foolishly promised transparancy during the campaign. Unfortunately, you have to grow up once you get in office..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1111/biden_hidin_e42e6930-e288-47d8-9a86-b6a3cca55b8a.html If this administration stated that the stovetop was hot I'd probably touch it just because they never tell the truth. Mayeb this is a better question- Do you REALLY want transparancy? Do you really want to know the exent of the foolishness, waste and cronyism that goes on in DC? Do you really ever wnat to know hoe deep the rabbit holes goes? Frankly, it sounds frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Mayeb this is a better question- Do you REALLY want transparancy? Do you really want to know the exent of the foolishness, waste and cronyism that goes on in DC? Do you really ever wnat to know hoe deep the rabbit holes goes? Frankly, it sounds frightening. I'm not naive enough to expect anything approaching total transparency but would hope that a little more sunshine might mitigate the foolishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Mayeb this is a better question- Do you REALLY want transparancy? Do you really want to know the exent of the foolishness, waste and cronyism that goes on in DC? Do you really ever wnat to know hoe deep the rabbit holes goes? Frankly, it sounds frightening. The cronyism isn't as bad as most people think. The waste and foolishness is beyond your darkest nightmares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 The cronyism isn't as bad as most people think. The waste and foolishness is beyond your darkest nightmares. You obviously never have seen one of my nightmares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 You obviously never have seen one of my nightmares Waking up and finding you just spent the night with Rosie O'Donnell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 Waking up and finding you just spent the night with Rosie O'Donnell? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 17, 2011 Author Share Posted November 17, 2011 Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh And having her say "That was so much fun I think I'll be spending a lot of time over here. Can I have a key?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamCody Posted November 17, 2011 Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) Mayeb this is a better question- Do you REALLY want transparancy? Do you really want to know the exent of the foolishness, waste and cronyism that goes on in DC? Do you really ever wnat to know hoe deep the rabbit holes goes? Frankly, it sounds frightening. I think we have a pretty good idea already. The bedrock of democracy is an open government so the citizens can vote according the actual needs. No transparency just means there is a permanent bureaucracy running around out there with no responsibility to the people they ostensibly exist for. IMO if we have transparency, there would be less waste, corruption, illegal foreign operations, etc because the morality of the left and the fiscal responsibility of the right would have none of it. http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/1111/biden_hidin_e42e6930-e288-47d8-9a86-b6a3cca55b8a.html If this administration stated that the stovetop was hot I'd probably touch it just because they never tell the truth. If you read the update at the bottom, they note the meeting minutes will be posted online. Completely open? No. Completely closed off? No, as well. This seems like a non-issue. Are there better examples of non-transparency on a grander scale than previous administrations, or are we witness business as usual and a not-surprisingly broken campaign promise? Edited November 17, 2011 by WilliamCody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I think we have a pretty good idea already. The bedrock of democracy is an open government so the citizens can vote according the actual needs. No transparency just means there is a permanent bureaucracy running around out there with no responsibility to the people they ostensibly exist for. IMO if we have transparency, there would be less waste, corruption, illegal foreign operations, etc because the morality of the left and the fiscal responsibility of the right would have none of it. If you read the update at the bottom, they note the meeting minutes will be posted online. Completely open? No. Completely closed off? No, as well. This seems like a non-issue. Are there better examples of non-transparency on a grander scale than previous administrations, or are we witness business as usual and a not-surprisingly broken campaign promise? ROFLMAO!!!! Love that you made it over Cody, cause I gotta luv your spin!!! Everyone, read the above, and tell me he isn't telling us that "everyone else did it too"??? Please??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Obama's administration has been worse on transparency than Bush's administration and that's saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Obama's administration has been worse on transparency than Bush's administration and that's saying something. Maybe. But not by much. There's also the possibility that this administration is merely perceived to not be transparent...because "transparency" requires something more substantial than "hope and change and it's Bush's fault" to actually see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamCody Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 ROFLMAO!!!! Love that you made it over Cody, cause I gotta luv your spin!!! Everyone, read the above, and tell me he isn't telling us that "everyone else did it too"??? Please??? No, actually, I'm asking for other instances of this administration being non-transparent because the OP, it turns outs, missed the fact that they were posting the meeting minutes online. Then, I asked the question about other administrations so we could talk about whether or not this administration is more or less transparent than other administrations. Finally, I said it was perhaps not surprising that the campaign promise for more transparency was broken for, as another posting above notes, it is a pie-in-the-sky promise for a candidate to make, and another thing altogether for an actual president to realize. I'm not sure why you think you got me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Obama's administration has been worse on transparency than Bush's administration and that's saying something. Stop trying to fool everyone, we all know you are gonna vote for Obama Again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) Stop trying to fool everyone, we all know you are gonna vote for Obama Again it goes like this Perry, Cain, Bachmann, Santorum, Gingrich vs Obama = Obama vote Romney vs Obama = Third party vote Paul, Huntsman vs Obama = Paul or Huntsman vote Maybe. But not by much. There's also the possibility that this administration is merely perceived to not be transparent...because "transparency" requires something more substantial than "hope and change and it's Bush's fault" to actually see. This might have made sense when you thought it but it's one of the more incoherent things you have written. Edited November 18, 2011 by ....lybob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Romney vs Obama = Third party vote I have little doubt that you'll find a way to justify voting for Obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 No, actually, I'm asking for other instances of this administration being non-transparent because the OP, it turns outs, missed the fact that they were posting the meeting minutes online. Then, I asked the question about other administrations so we could talk about whether or not this administration is more or less transparent than other administrations. Finally, I said it was perhaps not surprising that the campaign promise for more transparency was broken for, as another posting above notes, it is a pie-in-the-sky promise for a candidate to make, and another thing altogether for an actual president to realize. I'm not sure why you think you got me. So, when I posted I missed an update that most likely wasn't made when I copied the article? That's pretty much besides the point though. It's the lack of overall transparency (after claiming that they were going to be the most open and transparent administration ever) that is the issue. You have chosen to try and refute a larger tendency with an anectdotal example that may or may not have validity. I see which way you roll though, and already here you have shown yourself to not be very credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamCody Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 (edited) So, when I posted I missed an update that most likely wasn't made when I copied the article? That's pretty much besides the point though. It's the lack of overall transparency (after claiming that they were going to be the most open and transparent administration ever) that is the issue. You have chosen to try and refute a larger tendency with an anectdotal example that may or may not have validity. I see which way you roll though, and already here you have shown yourself to not be very credible. Not faulting you at all, I realize that's likely what happened. And my second post was simply asking for other instances of the non-transparency of the administration so we could have a larger conversation that wasn't based on anecdotal examples. I am not refuting anything. I totally agree that this administration backed out of a promise to become more transparent. But I don't have any examples at hand to actually point to an instance where they could have been transparent and chose not to be. That's all I want, an actual example that we can discuss. Since you are the OP and trying to make this point, I think it is on you to find another concrete example to make your point since your original example did not work. Otherwise, the conversation will devolve into personal attacks like it is dangerous close to now. And I suppose I am "not very credible" because I ask that we center our discussion around actual examples rather than bashing things willy-nilly? Edited November 18, 2011 by WilliamCody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Waking up and finding you just spent the night with Rosie O'Donnell? <slow motion video> nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu </slow motion video> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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