Dopey Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) I think we should leave it as is for next season. It's a pretty good group, collectively. With KW coming back and more help at OLB, we can leave the dline alone and concentrate on other ,more pressing needs in FA and the draft. If we can shore up the OLB spots and a corner, this Dline will flourish. It doesn't help that Spencer and Carrington are playing OLB out of necessity. They belong on the Dline. Even Spencer will play well if playing the position he really should play. This is yr 2 of a 3-4 yr rebuild. By keeping a good to really good line intact, we can help the rest of the roster alot. Marcell,Kyle,Dwan make a pretty good Dline with Heard, Johnson, Carringon as backups or start Carrington and use Dwan as a backup. That's a good line that is deep too. What do you guys think? Forgot about Troup too. Edited November 16, 2011 by Dopey
metzelaars_lives Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I think we should leave it as is for next season. It's a pretty good group, collectively. With KW coming back and more help at OLB, we can leave the dline alone and concentrate on other ,more pressing needs in FA and the draft. If we can shore up the OLB spots and a corner, this Dline will flourish. It doesn't help that Spencer and Carrington are playing OLB out of necessity. They belong on the Dline. Even Spencer will play well if playing the position he really should play. This is yr 2 of a 3-4 yr rebuild. By keeping a good to really good line intact, we can help the rest of the roster alot. Marcell,Kyle,Dwan make a pretty good Dline with Heard, Johnson, Carringon as backups or start Carrington and use Dwan as a backup. That's a good line that is deep too. What do you guys think? The D-Line will not be a priority going into next year. Neither will the safety and running back positions. Everything else will need to be addressed.
saundena Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 The D-Line will not be a priority going into next year. Neither will the safety and running back positions. Everything else will need to be addressed. I don't think "everything else" needs to be address. Certainly LB, CB and WR (need a strong #2). Pick up good O-line depth (draft or FA) and maybe go after a QB if the RIGHT ONE is available- Certainly not a priority. We can win with Fitz if our D played better (just look at the CIN and NYG games).
metzelaars_lives Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I don't think "everything else" needs to be address. Certainly LB, CB and WR (need a strong #2). Pick up good O-line depth (draft or FA) and maybe go after a QB if the RIGHT ONE is available- Certainly not a priority. We can win with Fitz if our D played better (just look at the CIN and NYG games). I think it's time this team had a monster at WR. Lee Evans had a nice year in '06, but I want a physical specimen like Moulds. Too bad Justin Blackmon is out of the picture. Remember that this team is going to ride out their picks- Carrington will start next year- so Aaron Williams will get ample time to prove himself as a starting CB. In fact, I'd be shocked if he's not starting opening day next year. But I think that everyone can agree that WR and a pass-rushing OLB are our two biggest priorities.
jahnyc Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I think DE is a need area. No pressure from our DEs this year, and I have not been impressed with Edwards or Carrington.
jcbillsfan Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I think DE is a need area. No pressure from our DEs this year, and I have not been impressed with Edwards or Carrington. Defensive ends in a 3/4 are more about occuping blockers then actual pressure. We need a olb that can get to the qb . Unfortunitly it is not a great draft or free agnect year for that position. It is a good draft for bigger cb's and that is my bet where buddy goes in round one.
billswi2000 Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I agree with you all, but we need better coaching. Otherwise, we will have more of Maybin and McKelvin for our D.
BuffaloBill Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 The D-Line will not be a priority going into next year. Neither will the safety and running back positions. Everything else will need to be addressed. How can you say the line is not a priority when the Bills continue to fail to stop the run and can generate almost no pass rush? I get it that Kyle Williams is coming back but he is not the complete answer. If there is a true 3-4 pass rushing DE available early in the draft the Bills would have to think about selecting him.
apuszczalowski Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I don't think "everything else" needs to be address. Certainly LB, CB and WR (need a strong #2). Pick up good O-line depth (draft or FA) and maybe go after a QB if the RIGHT ONE is available- Certainly not a priority. We can win with Fitz if our D played better (just look at the CIN and NYG games). Not going to happen after they gave Fitz the extension, he is the new "franchise QB" of the Bills right now, weither we like it or not
metzelaars_lives Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 How can you say the line is not a priority when the Bills continue to fail to stop the run and can generate almost no pass rush? I get it that Kyle Williams is coming back but he is not the complete answer. If there is a true 3-4 pass rushing DE available early in the draft the Bills would have to think about selecting him. I'm not saying we have a great D-Line, but I can tell you that a healthy Kyle Williams plus Dareus in his second year and I'm telling you right now, Carrington starts next year, plus you still have Edwards, Johnson, etc. = not a priority relative to OLB. Now if they switch back to a 4-3, which they should, that's a different story.
Dopey Posted November 16, 2011 Author Posted November 16, 2011 Defensive ends in a 3/4 are more about occuping blockers then actual pressure. We need a olb that can get to the qb . Unfortunitly it is not a great draft or free agnect year for that position. It is a good draft for bigger cb's and that is my bet where buddy goes in round one. Thanks, you stole my thunder. How can you say the line is not a priority when the Bills continue to fail to stop the run and can generate almost no pass rush? I get it that Kyle Williams is coming back but he is not the complete answer. If there is a true 3-4 pass rushing DE available early in the draft the Bills would have to think about selecting him. Easy, read my intro. Just my opinion, but I thought it made sense. We have 2-3 guys playing out of position due to injury/necessity who need to play the position they were brought in to play. Carringon and Spencer were brought in to play dline. Once they can go back to their positions(after FA and draft picks) they will play better. When a RB goes wide on these 2 guys they are toast. I don't expect either of these guys to be able stay with a RB cutting wide or juking them. They are not LB's. They are playing out of position. Sooooo, I think our priority on D is more OLB's vs Dline. Look, if we stumble on to a draft pick at d-end that we can't pass up, cool take him. But DE/DL is NOT a priority. I'm not saying we have a great D-Line, but I can tell you that a healthy Kyle Williams plus Dareus in his second year and I'm telling you right now, Carrington starts next year, plus you still have Edwards, Johnson, etc. = not a priority relative to OLB. Now if they switch back to a 4-3, which they should, that's a different story.
PromoTheRobot Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Not going to happen after they gave Fitz the extension, he is the new "franchise QB" of the Bills right now, weither we like it or not Nonsense. They can draft a QB if they want. Fitz's deal is front-loaded. He won't cost the Bills much in in 2 years. PTR
KOKBILLS Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) Aaron Williams will get ample time to prove himself as a starting CB. In fact, I'd be shocked if he's not starting opening day next year. I'd be REAL shocked, and to be honest scared if he was based on what I've seen so far...That Kid is no where near ready to be an NFL Starting CB...Then he misses all this time to boot...When he was in there he might as well have had a target painted on him, because opposing QB were going right after him...And he did not respond well at all...I thought he looked terrible in pre-season outside of the one nice play he made on the INT...Other than that play he was consistently a step or two behind...Williams has shown me next to nothing...So acually he fits right in amongst The Bills CB's... But I will say this...A TON of it could be the fact that The Bills Defensive Coaches are terrible and simply have no clue how to put Players in position to succeed...Nor can they develop obvious talent...So when the Bills get a brand new Staff on Defense, which I expect to happen (actually I'm PRAYING it happens)...Maybe Williams will turn out to be all that...We'll see I guess... Edited November 16, 2011 by KOKBILLS
bouds Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I really like what I've seen from Heard, hope he gets more playing time. Should be Heard/Dareus with Edwards and Carrington rotating in.
....lybob Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 Nothing would help this defense more than to get Kyle Williams and Dareus together in the middle of a 4-3, Carrington would be adequate as a LDE and the next draft has a pretty good selection of 4-3 RDEs. Kyle Williams is a very good player but he's not really what you want at NT and he's not a 3-4 DE, if the Bills stick with the 3-4 they need a real NT and a couple of great 3-4 OLBs.
ajzepp Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 But I will say this...A TON of it could be the fact that The Bills Defensive Coaches are terrible and simply have no clue how to put Players in position to succeed...Nor can they develop obvious talent...So when the Bills get a brand new Staff on Defense, which I expect to happen (actually I'm PRAYING it happens)...Maybe Williams will turn out to be all that...We'll see I guess... Yep, we need to find a "mind" for the defense. They are few and far between, I realize, but there must be some sharp coach somewhere in the NFL looking for his opportunity. We dont' have elite talent, so we need to find a way to have elite scheming. I think that's the biggest difference this season with a team like San Fran. They have had lots of talent on defense for the past several years. But once they found the right coaching, all of a sudden they are 8-1, largely due to their defense. They were often lazy and undisciplined previously. Now they play good, stout defense and it's paying off. We need someone to come in here and put some brain power behind this D.
Mr_Blizzard Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I'd like a LB for our first pick unless O-Line needs more work. Receivers are a dime a dozen; should be free agents available.
LabattBlue Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 But I will say this...A TON of it could be the fact that The Bills Defensive Coaches are terrible and simply have no clue how to put Players in position to succeed...Nor can they develop obvious talent...So when the Bills get a brand new Staff on Defense, which I expect to happen (actually I'm PRAYING it happens)...Maybe Williams will turn out to be all that...We'll see I guess... Preaching to the choir! I have nothing to add except...
CarolinaBill Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I think it's time this team had a monster at WR. Lee Evans had a nice year in '06, but I want a physical specimen like Moulds. Too bad Justin Blackmon is out of the picture. Remember that this team is going to ride out their picks- Carrington will start next year- so Aaron Williams will get ample time to prove himself as a starting CB. In fact, I'd be shocked if he's not starting opening day next year. But I think that everyone can agree that WR and a pass-rushing OLB are our two biggest priorities. Blackmon may be off the table, but Alshon Jeffrey should still be there. Jeffrey and johnson would be a great tandem.
ajzepp Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Blackmon may be off the table, but Alshon Jeffrey should still be there. Jeffrey and johnson would be a great tandem. If we got Alshon Jeffrey that would be amazing.
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