B-Large Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 Stanley Black and Decker used to own Delta/Porter Cable, but sold Delta to Chang Type Industrial out of Taiwan. However, they kept Porter Cable... Powermatic I believe is a part of WMI along with Jet and are at least American based as is S,B&D... Crazy... The sweetheart Stanley chisels jut released the last few years were based on the old Stanleys that were made here in the USA.... Noe they are made in the UK I have to be honest, I am just a chump for the powermatic yellow paint Yes but your point had literally nothing to do with it being a religious holiday. Your point was "you're going to spend money anyways so spend it on the US/local economy". You just threw it in there for no reason. People tend to associated x-mas with presents.... I am not sure in 20 years of Christian schooling where buying stuff and placing it under a Tree ad ny correlation.... Holiday spending forecasts are about X-mas..... the religious holiday..... I fail to see the confusion D- JC was about charity, kindness and others... I can assume somehow that is where presents came from, but jc's deal was more about the sck and poor.... People who dd not have ****, and who were outcasts and downtrodden... Do people not spend money around this particular Holiday?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Really? Another woodworker? I can't recall the last time I saw an American-made tool. I think even my Lee-Nielsen rabbit plane has non-American parts. Power tools? Forget it...if you want American, buy used... Do you have a specialty or a passion?? Is it your living, or a hobby? Just curious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Do you have a specialty or a passion?? Is it your living, or a hobby? Just curious... Hobby...but if I can flatter myself, I'm pretty decent at it. I do turning for relaxation, and am doing the trim carpentry in a living room I'm almost done remodeling - I recased a bow window (had to, it was water damaged), and my wife complimented me saying it looked like professional work. And if you're thinking "Of course she'd say that, she's his wife..." then you obviously don't know my wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 People tend to associated x-mas with presents.... I am not sure in 20 years of Christian schooling where buying stuff and placing it under a Tree ad ny correlation.... Holiday spending forecasts are about X-mas..... the religious holiday..... I fail to see the confusion D- JC was about charity, kindness and others... I can assume somehow that is where presents came from, but jc's deal was more about the sck and poor.... People who dd not have ****, and who were outcasts and downtrodden... Christmas has never really been about religion. In fact, it's pretty clear through a plain reading of the Bible story that Jesus was born in the spring - Aprilish, not in December. It was the usurpation of a pagan Roman holiday that became Christmas; not because there was any religious significance to December 25th, but because the early Church couldn't figure out how to get people to stop celebrating a pagan holiday and not coming in to church to tithe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Crazy... The sweetheart Stanley chisels jut released the last few years were based on the old Stanleys that were made here in the USA.... Noe they are made in the UK I have to be honest, I am just a chump for the powermatic yellow paint People tend to associated x-mas with presents.... I am not sure in 20 years of Christian schooling where buying stuff and placing it under a Tree ad ny correlation.... Holiday spending forecasts are about X-mas..... the religious holiday..... I fail to see the confusion D- JC was about charity, kindness and others... I can assume somehow that is where presents came from, but jc's deal was more about the sck and poor.... People who dd not have ****, and who were outcasts and downtrodden... Do people not spend money around this particular Holiday?? "Presents at Christmas" was supposedly a St. Nicholas thing (i.e. Santa Claus), not anything directly to do with Jesus' canonical teachings. Really, Christmas has about as much to do with Christ as Halloween does. It's a mash-up of St. Nicholas' Day (which is why a fat man in a red suit brings us presents) and the Winter Solstice (which is why we dress up a tree - pagan ritual morphed into a Christian one to make Christianity more appealing to the Germanic tribes in the early first century, much like how Sufiism was Persian mysticism blended into Islam). And in America...more than anything, it's a celebration of commercialism nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff_bills4ever Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Christmas has never really been about religion. In fact, it's pretty clear through a plain reading of the Bible story that Jesus was born in the spring - Aprilish, not in December. It was the usurpation of a pagan Roman holiday that became Christmas; not because there was any religious significance to December 25th, but because the early Church couldn't figure out how to get people to stop celebrating a pagan holiday and not coming in to church to tithe. Haha! But you forget about leap years. They weren't a thing until around the turn of the 19th century. So every 4 years you add one day. Extrapolate that back 1800 years and it will add to 450 days. so December 25th adding 450 days would put Jesus's birth somewhere around the end of March. Suck on that! :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Haha! But you forget about leap years. They weren't a thing until around the turn of the 19th century. So every 4 years you add one day. Extrapolate that back 1800 years and it will add to 450 days. so December 25th adding 450 days would put Jesus's birth somewhere around the end of March. Suck on that! :thumbsup: But you forget that the early Christian calendar was a lunar calendar. So converting to that puts Jesus' birthday sometime around !@#$-knows-when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Why do you think Haloween is becoming so big? No relgious attachment and guilt to throw around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff_bills4ever Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 But you forget that the early Christian calendar was a lunar calendar. So converting to that puts Jesus' birthday sometime around !@#$-knows-when. Well now you're just speaking heresy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 The Annuciation is on/and or around the 25th of March... 9 full months before December 25th. The date is ALWAYS close to the spring equinox... What is the problem?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 Do you have a specialty or a passion?? Is it your living, or a hobby? Just curious... Hobby, hoping to be career at some point.... my intertest is contemporary/modern furniture, but I do enjoy designing built-ins.... My passion is stepping back and enjoying any perfect project and the last speck of finish is done.... No better feeling of accomplishment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted November 13, 2011 Author Share Posted November 13, 2011 My point was that to be labeled "Made in America" for a lot of products, is nearly impossible due to the requirements... As for a true "Made in America" table saw, the best one out there right now is the new Delta Unisaw! And no, I don't work for Delta but have worked closely with them in the past and know the tools better than most that work there now... Even the motor on it, made by Marathon, is certified "Made in America" which was a feat in itself because when Delta approached them initially about it, they had no idea where the raw materials originated, and it took a couple years just to sort that part out. I've had the chance to work with one, and I'm tellin' ya, it is an amazing machine, and the one piece trunnion an engineering marvel... If ya google it, I'm sure you can find the video of Scott Phillips demonstrating it and if you can't, PM me and I'll send ya one... Anyway, I deal more with the use and repair myself, than the development but love what I do!! As for the job... Who knows??? Right now, there are 2 of us who basically hold the department together, and things are going so well, there is no hurry from upstairs to make the decision, so I'll just keep doing what i do best... teach about tools... Edit to add.... Even though the Uni is MinA, Delta itself was just bought out by a Taiwanese company about a year ago... I knew it rang a bell, Scott Phillips from American Woodshop- watch it all the time. Watched a video about the Unisaw, gotta say, pretty impressed with some of the small details that were not overlooked in the design. I think Rockler near my house either has a SawStop or Unisaw on display... I am going to go buy and see.... It's pretty amazing when you can start and stop a 600+ pound machine and still balance a penny. My bandsaw starts and stops passing the nickel test, and if Finley adjusted can support a penny... Nothing like fine tuned perfection..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cinga Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Hobby...but if I can flatter myself, I'm pretty decent at it. I do turning for relaxation, and am doing the trim carpentry in a living room I'm almost done remodeling - I recased a bow window (had to, it was water damaged), and my wife complimented me saying it looked like professional work. And if you're thinking "Of course she'd say that, she's his wife..." then you obviously don't know my wife. Cool!!! As a professional for over 25 years before this job, I think it's great when people take to it as a hobby and are good at it... Guess it's a guy thing, returning to your roots sort of. For me, I was pretty much born into it, with woodworking and DIY a way of life on both sides of my family. And believe me.... I know the wife thing as mine can be my own unbiased critic!! Hobby, hoping to be career at some point.... my intertest is contemporary/modern furniture, but I do enjoy designing built-ins.... My passion is stepping back and enjoying any perfect project and the last speck of finish is done.... No better feeling of accomplishment! YES!!! Folks used to ask me why I did woodwork for a living since I had my college degree. I tried sitting behind a desk after college, and just wasn't ready for it. With this job even, yeah, I have a desk, but I'm rarely behind it, always out getting my hands dirty so to speak, and being able to look back at something at the end of the day, besides a pile of paperwork.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamCody Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) I'd really love it if Christmas reverted back to the way it was in the 1700s and 1800s - twelve days of rowdy drinking, with some big meals and a few small presents mixed in for the children. Edited November 15, 2011 by WilliamCody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 YES!!! Folks used to ask me why I did woodwork for a living since I had my college degree. I tried sitting behind a desk after college, and just wasn't ready for it. With this job even, yeah, I have a desk, but I'm rarely behind it, always out getting my hands dirty so to speak, and being able to look back at something at the end of the day, besides a pile of paperwork.. That's one of the reasons I started turning pens: my job at this point is mostly sitting around in meetings (have one in five minutes) being smarter than everyone else (sadly), with a time-frame of 18-24 months to see anything completed. It's nice to go home at the end of the day, and do something completely different and tactile, and have a tangible accomplishment after an hour or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted November 15, 2011 Author Share Posted November 15, 2011 Cool!!! As a professional for over 25 years before this job, I think it's great when people take to it as a hobby and are good at it... Guess it's a guy thing, returning to your roots sort of. For me, I was pretty much born into it, with woodworking and DIY a way of life on both sides of my family. And believe me.... I know the wife thing as mine can be my own unbiased critic!! YES!!! Folks used to ask me why I did woodwork for a living since I had my college degree. I tried sitting behind a desk after college, and just wasn't ready for it. With this job even, yeah, I have a desk, but I'm rarely behind it, always out getting my hands dirty so to speak, and being able to look back at something at the end of the day, besides a pile of paperwork.. Thats awesome, I sit here in Envy- my wife and I are trying to get our house paid off, school loans, etc. so we can quit out jobs and do things we really enjoy. We could likely do it now, but it would be easier with less expenses. I salute you- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I'd really love it if Christmas reverted back to the way it was in the 1700s and 1800s - twelve days of rowdy drinking, with some big meals and a few small presents mixed in for the children. It is here in SF. Quite the month of debauchery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted November 15, 2011 Author Share Posted November 15, 2011 I'd really love it if Christmas reverted back to the way it was in the 1700s and 1800s - twelve days of rowdy drinking, with some big meals and a few small presents mixed in for the children. There he is! I have the 12 days of drinking covered, I eat lot, and have asked friends what they're kids want for X-mas- There, brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I'd really love it if Christmas reverted back to the way it was in the 1700s and 1800s - twelve days of rowdy drinking, with some big meals and a few small presents mixed in for the children. We need an excuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 We need an excuse? For you to give anything to children aside from the back of your hand? Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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