Refugee Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Typical right wing. Say one thing, do the opposite. "Let's fix the budget problems but not pay any more in taxes to do it...unless you're poor." Quote Republicans, looking for leverage to slash federal spending, created the phony debit-ceiling crisis that led to creation of the Congressional deficit-cutting “supercommittee.” But with the committee close to a deadlock — largely because Republicans will not agree to higher taxes on the rich — and the deadline for an agreement approaching, some Republicans are now talking about undoing the process. My link
DaveinElma Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 The New York Times. The same paper who tried to hide the fact that Corzine is a democrat.
B-Large Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Supercommittees and 10% approval for Congress.... both high points of pride in American politics.
John Adams Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Put together a committee with half Dems, half Reps...and America gets to see that no one can work together to solve this critical issue. It's almost like they forgot how this committee was formed in reaction to what some experts thought was an apocalyptic event. Today's election day, sadly not for any of these clowns. Vote incumbent if you like your government.
erynthered Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 ...........created the phony debit-ceiling crisis :lol:
Gary M Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 2:21 PM, Refugee said: Typical right wing. Say one thing, do the opposite. "Let's fix the budget problems but not pay any more in taxes to do it...unless you're poor." My link Higher taxes = higher spending: Curb the spending, prove you can be trusted and then, maybe raise some taxes.
B-Man Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) On 11/8/2011 at 2:21 PM, Refugee said: Typical right wing. Say one thing, do the opposite. "Let's fix the budget problems but not pay any more in taxes to do it...unless you're poor." My link LOL...............What a hoot. Republicans ARE willing to tackle budget problems, always have been, but just not the way you want. Rave on MacDuff....... On 11/8/2011 at 4:17 PM, Gary M said: Higher taxes = higher spending: Curb the spending, prove you can be trusted and then, maybe raise some taxes. Exactly right....... . Edited November 8, 2011 by B-Man
B-Large Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 4:17 PM, Gary M said: Higher taxes = higher spending: Curb the spending, prove you can be trusted and then, maybe raise some taxes. Tax Rate Irrelevance + Credit = More Spending
DC Tom Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 2:43 PM, erynthered said: ...........created the phony debit-ceiling crisis :lol: That part was actually accurate.
erynthered Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 4:26 PM, DC Tom said: That part was actually accurate. The funny part, at least to me was that both sides were accusing each other of creating the "Phony Debt Crisis". Nobody had/took ownership of that bull ****. Yet the Op-ed writer accuses the R's for it. It was both sides. Typical.
BadgerVid Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) On 11/8/2011 at 2:21 PM, Refugee said: Typical right wing. Say one thing, do the opposite. "Let's fix the budget problems but not pay any more in taxes to do it...unless you're poor." My link Would you like to point out where anyone has suggested raising taxes on the poor instead of the producers? Of course you wouldn't...because it has not happened. The list of possibilities for the name you used on BBMB is getting shorter. There were quite a few really stupid liberals there, but not near as many who were also blatant liars. Edited November 8, 2011 by BadgerVid
GG Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 4:59 PM, BadgerVid said: Would you like to point out where anyone has suggested raising taxes on the poor instead of the producers? Of course you wouldn't...because it has not happened. The list of possibilities for the name you used on BBMB is getting shorter. There were quite a few really stupid liberals there, but not near as many who were also blatant liars. Cain's 9 9 9 plan would effectively raise tax on the poor, as consumption tax is more of a regressive tax. It's a bad tax anyway. Just flatten the code to 18-20% and move on to other things.
DC Tom Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 4:56 PM, erynthered said: The funny part, at least to me was that both sides were accusing each other of creating the "Phony Debt Crisis". Nobody had/took ownership of that bull ****. Yet the Op-ed writer accuses the R's for it. It was both sides. Typical. No, it was the Republicans. They chose to link budgetary negotiations to raising the debt ceiling. Not that I necessarily disagree with it...but it was still unilateral. On 11/8/2011 at 2:21 PM, Refugee said: Typical right wing. Say one thing, do the opposite. "Let's fix the budget problems but not pay any more in taxes to do it...unless you're poor." My link Quote Republicans, looking for leverage to slash federal spending, created the phony debit-ceiling crisis that led to creation of the Congressional deficit-cutting “supercommittee.” But with the committee close to a deadlock — largely because Republicans will not agree to higher taxes on the rich — and the deadline for an agreement approaching, some Republicans are now talking about undoing the process. The bolded: how is that "Say one thing, do the other?" The underlined: well, that was predictable. !@#$ing morons.
erynthered Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 5:32 PM, DC Tom said: No, it was the Republicans. They chose to link budgetary negotiations to raising the debt ceiling. Not that I necessarily disagree with it...but it was still unilateral. Well I guess those Social Security checks might not be mailed next week without a compromise on the debt ceiling. Sorry, It was both sides.
GG Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 5:46 PM, erynthered said: Well I guess those Social Security checks might not be mailed next week without a compromise on the debt ceiling. Sorry, It was both sides. Uhm, no. SS checks couldn't be mailed because without raising the debt ceiling government couldn't "fund" its operations without defaulting on its debt.
erynthered Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 5:49 PM, GG said: Uhm, no. SS checks couldn't be mailed because without raising the debt ceiling government couldn't "fund" its operations without defaulting on its debt. Um, yes, I know. Point is, it was both sides throwing barbs at each other. Both sides accusing each other of the "Phony Debt Crisis".
IDBillzFan Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 5:49 PM, GG said: Uhm, no. SS checks couldn't be mailed because without raising the debt ceiling government couldn't "fund" its operations without defaulting on its debt. I think it's kind of scary that we can't pay SS out without borrowing money.
GG Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 5:53 PM, erynthered said: Um, yes, I know. Point is, it was both sides throwing barbs at each other. Both sides accusing each other of the "Phony Debt Crisis". Yes they were throwing barbs, but that's not the issue. GOP used political leverage to push the default to the brink. That's a different issue from runaway spending that worsens the government's fiscal standing, but doesn't push it to a default.
DC Tom Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 5:53 PM, erynthered said: Um, yes, I know. Point is, it was both sides throwing barbs at each other. Both sides accusing each other of the "Phony Debt Crisis". Just so we're clear: the Republicans refuse to vote on a debt ceiling increase without tying a budgetary negotiation to it outside the normal budgetary cycle...and you're blaming the Democrats for manufacturing a crisis. On 11/8/2011 at 6:09 PM, LABillzFan said: I think it's kind of scary that we can't pay SS out without borrowing money. I think it's more they couldn't pay the postage. Hard do say, though...the government's accounting practices aren't nearly as rigorous as yours. How's that for scary?
erynthered Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 On 11/8/2011 at 6:24 PM, DC Tom said: Just so we're clear: the Republicans refuse to vote on a debt ceiling increase without tying a budgetary negotiation to it outside the normal budgetary cycle...and you're blaming the Democrats for manufacturing a crisis. No. We're not clear. My only point, again, was that both side were accusing each other of the "Phony Debt Crisis". That was my point. Nothing more. On 11/8/2011 at 6:23 PM, GG said: Yes they were throwing barbs, but that's not the issue. GOP used political leverage to push the default to the brink. That's a different issue from runaway spending that worsens the government's fiscal standing, but doesn't push it to a default. You're right, that not the issue. My statement is that both sides accused each other of the "Phony Debt Crisis". That statement is true.
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