TPS Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Dude, the money from OWS comes from MoveOn, and Moveon's money comes from Soros. This is common f'ing knowledge. Why are you denying reality? Or, is this a difficult concept for you? I thought you were one of the reasoned, and therefore, tolerable, leftists on this board. Common knowledge if you watch Fox Snews or listen to Rush.... I'm sure you have a legitimate source though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 Common knowledge if you watch Fox Snews or listen to Rush.... I'm sure you have a legitimate source though. Yes, youtube and google are very obscure sources to which only I have access. It's time to put the shovel down TPS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Yes, youtube and google are very obscure sources to which only I have access. It's time to put the shovel down TPS. A video on Youtube by O'Reilly, or DaveinElma's posts on at PPP, don't count as "common knowledge." Everyone knows evil George funds Moveon, but that next step gets a little slippery... What is your source for this "common knowledge" that Soros is funding OWS? Edited November 9, 2011 by TPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 A video on Youtube by O'Reilly, or DaveinElma's posts on at PPP, don't count as "common knowledge." Everyone knows evil George funds Moveon, but that next step gets a little slippery... What is your source for this "common knowledge" that Soros is funding OWS? Ok, that's progress. Phase one of the "TPS reclaiming his status as reasonable" project is now complete. Again, I am not your personal internet researcher. The reporting has been done. It's on the internet. Go find it. When you do, phase 2 will be complete. Phase 3 is accepting that you wasted my time in this thread, and requires that you acknowledge that "I tell the truth, tough schit if you don't like it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Ok, that's progress. Phase one of the "TPS reclaiming his status as reasonable" project is now complete. Again, I am not your personal internet researcher. The reporting has been done. It's on the internet. Go find it. When you do, phase 2 will be complete. Phase 3 is accepting that you wasted my time in this thread, and requires that you acknowledge that "I tell the truth, tough schit if you don't like it." I've searched and seen allegations by right wing sources, without confirmation. You are the one who said it's common knowledge, but it's common from right wing sources, without knowledge--it's all rumor based. Find one legitimate source that proves Soros funds OWS. If it's so commonly known, I'm sure you could quickly find a verifiable source--why are you wasting my time without simply providing a link that should be so easy for you to find? All I've seen is a video by O'Reilly on Fox and some wacko right-wing sites claim this, as well as Rush, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I've searched and seen allegations by right wing sources, without confirmation. You are the one who said it's common knowledge, but it's common from right wing sources, without knowledge--it's all rumor based. Find one legitimate source that proves Soros funds OWS. If it's so commonly known, I'm sure you could quickly find a verifiable source--why are you wasting my time without simply providing a link that should be so easy for you to find? All I've seen is a video by O'Reilly on Fox and some wacko right-wing sites claim this, as well as Rush, of course... If OWS has parents its' father would be Adbusters and its' mother would be the G20 protests. Some money might be going to OWS from a Soros supported institutions but it's probably in the ten of thousands compared to millions funneled to the Tea Party from Koch brothers supported institutions (Freedom Works, Americans for Prosperity, and the Heritage Foundation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juror#8 Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) The great advantage that Democrats had in public opinion regarding the economy, that was slowly increased from JFK to James Carville, is now gone. Democrats are no longer trying to make the economy work for everyone, with everyone meaning everyone. Instead, they are trying to destroy it, and replace it with failed European systems. We also have Democrats abandoning the white working class, who was/is their bread and butter, in favor of what, exactly? College professors? Disaffected youth? And of course, just in case there was any doubt about destroying their white working class base, the foolish over-pursuit of ridiculous policies that both purposely raise gas prices, and, create opportunities for crony capitalism and corruption that are just begging to be exposed....ALL supposedly based on questionable global warming science, but really based on socialist and anti-USA ideology. Can you clarify what you mean by "failed Eurpoean systems"? This is a recipe for Republican domination for the next 20 years, if not longer. This self-destruction is as unbelievable as it is hysterical. It's hysterical because: there are idiots who will tell me that I am a bad person...for doing nothing other than telling them the truth. Karl Rove thought the same thing...he was convinced of it actually. Much like yourself, he genuinely believed that the Democratic base was slowly dissipating. According to people much smarter and more experienced than me, Franklin Roosevelt was lampooned for many of his HUGE public policy initiatives. His initiatives were supposed to bring an end to the Democratic party. The Democrats and their base, ostensibly, were positioning themselves WAY far to the left - way outside of the political mainstream....and just slightly to the right of Eastern European communism. The interests of the Democrats were becoming antithetical to the "American Way." All the hullabaloo, the sensationalism, and the histrionics notwithstanding, Roosevelt and his "way left" policies ushered in an entire generation of Democratic dominance much to the dismay of the prognosticators. Were their other interests at play? Yep. Am I analogizing? Not quite. Just want to point out the political ebbs and flows seem never to be understood prospectively. Most prognostications are incorrect. And if you feel that you've figured out the pulse of the American mainstream, you're probably lying to yourself. Edited November 9, 2011 by Juror#8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 I've searched and seen allegations by right wing sources, without confirmation. You are the one who said it's common knowledge, but it's common from right wing sources, without knowledge--it's all rumor based. Find one legitimate source that proves Soros funds OWS. If it's so commonly known, I'm sure you could quickly find a verifiable source--why are you wasting my time without simply providing a link that should be so easy for you to find? All I've seen is a video by O'Reilly on Fox and some wacko right-wing sites claim this, as well as Rush, of course... Like a legitimate source exists in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Like a legitimate source exists in this day and age. Which is why someone can come in and say "it's common knowledge" in order to de-legitmize a movement. I think conservatives who support the Tea Party are doing so for their beleifs, not because Koch's put money into it. Same for people who are camping around the country. I am sympathetic to any movement that questions the current state of "government." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buff_bills4ever Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Which is why someone can come in and say "it's common knowledge" in order to de-legitmize a movement. I think conservatives who support the Tea Party are doing so for their beleifs, not because Koch's put money into it. Same for people who are camping around the country. I am sympathetic to any movement that questions the current state of "government." I'm not to any movement that turns neighborhoods into war-zones, break windows and pick fights with cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) Can you clarify what you mean by "failed Eurpoean systems"? Oh, I don't know....let's try Germany for a second. We can do the easy ones like Greece and Italy, but liberals will cry. So, let's do Germany, which is the only place in Europe where innovations still come from. They spend more on social welfare than we do. But, what have they done to stay in the black? They have made massive cuts to entitlements. Why? Because they were smart enough to know that the system they were running was going to fail. Oh, and if you want to see abject failure of these European socialist models? Let's see what happens if our debt limit super committee fails to reach a compromise. With massive defense cuts, where do you think they will be made? What if Germany and the rest of Europe actually had to pay for their own defense, instead of using what we provide them, for free? Nothing will kill socialism in Europe faster and permanently than the US saying: time to pay for your own defense. The simple fact is that Europe has been living in an unrealistic bubble that we have created for them, and even with that, most of their economies are crap. Most of them couldn't even defend their own harbors without our Navy, never mind their ships on the open sea. And in spite of this reality, they have the unmitigated gall to look down their noses at us for our massive defense budget? These passive aggressive clowns would pee themselves if one day they woke up and realized that their airspace was now their problem. The reality, that scarf-wearing grad students are completely unaware of, is that the world is a very dangerous place, and that the only thing that keeps everybody's economy safe, and all hell from breaking lose on all 7 continents, is the USA's massive defense budget that they keep talking schit about. Karl Rove thought the same thing...he was convinced of it actually. Much like yourself, he genuinely believed that the Democratic base was slowly dissipating. According to people much smarter and more experienced than me, Franklin Roosevelt was lampooned for many of his HUGE public policy initiatives. His initiatives were supposed to bring an end to the Democratic party. The Democrats and their base, ostensibly, were positioning themselves WAY far to the left - way outside of the political mainstream....and just slightly to the right of Eastern European communism. The interests of the Democrats were becoming antithetical to the "American Way." All the hullabaloo, the sensationalism, and the histrionics notwithstanding, Roosevelt and his "way left" policies ushered in an entire generation of Democratic dominance much to the dismay of the prognosticators. Were their other interests at play? Yep. Am I analogizing? Not quite. Just want to point out the political ebbs and flows seem never to be understood prospectively. Most prognostications are incorrect. And if you feel that you've figured out the pulse of the American mainstream, you're probably lying to yourself. The problem then was that nobody bothered to ask any actuaries what they they thought of FDR's ideas. Same thing with LBJ. I am pretty sure that actuaries we're brought in until the 80s...to answer the "what happens if a baby boom is followed by the baby bust we are going through right now". The country was in desperation mode, and FDR was a great communicator. No different than Reagan. We are about to be in desperation mode again, if we aren't already....do you think ever more liberal policies are going to be seen as pragmatic and reasoned? By whom? 22% of the country? And, who will communicate them better than Obama? For all his ability he couldn't get it done. Who is the Great Democratic communicator waiting in the wings to successfully tell us that we should be happy with $3.90 gas prices, because it's good for the country? The difference here is: we aren't talking about policy effecting electoral outcomes. Of course that is subject to ebbs and flows. No, we are talking about electoral strategy effecting electoral outcomes. The strategy of the Democrats is clearly about abandoning white working class voters. The very people who gave FDR the electoral mandates to do what he did. The Democrats are walking away from these very loyal voters, and instead catering to a very small group of people with a lot of money. FDR's entire gameplan was populist. There is nothing populist about "green jobs" or gay marriage or Obamacare(they missed the opportunity). See the difference? Edited November 9, 2011 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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