Romeo Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 For someone portraying themself as someone who deserves an "A" you seriously neglect citing your references don't you? As I said before...you must be a Professor at Tufts. Below are cited FACTS, not aimless rantings by a forgotten Hitler Youth. These are the dates EACH nation involves either entered the fray or took diplomatic measures. 9/1/1939 Germany Invades POLAND September 6 The Union of South Africa declares war on Germany. September 10 Canada declares war on Germany. September 17 The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics invades Poland. November 30 The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics invades Finland. 1940 March 12 Finland signs peace treaty with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. April 8 Germany invades Denmark and Norway. Norway declares war on Germany. May 10 Germany invades Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands. Denmark breaks diplomatic relations with the Netherlands. June 10 Italy declares war on France and Great Britain. June 11 France declares war on Italy. Great Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the Union of South Africa at war with Italy. June 12 Egypt breaks diplomatic relations with Italy. June 13 Norway breaks diplomatic relations with Italy. June 22 France signs an armistice with Germany. June 24 France signs an armistice with Italy. July 7 Vichy France breaks diplomatic relations with Great Britain. July 15 Denmark breaks diplomatic relations with Belgium and Norway. The Netherlands breaks diplomatic relations with Denmark. September 5 Vichy France breaks diplomatic relations with Belgium, the Netherlands and Norway. Luxembourg breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. September 22 Japanese troops occupy French Indochina. September 23 Vichy France breaks diplomatic relations with Poland. October 28 Italy invades Greece. November 5 Poland breaks diplomatic relations with Romania. November 13 Poland breaks diplomatic relations with Italy. November 23 Belgium declares war on Italy. 1941 January 1 Poland breaks diplomatic relations with Hungary. February 11 The Netherlands breaks diplomatic relations with Romania. February 12 Belgium breaks diplomatic relations with Romania. February 21 Norway breaks diplomatic relations with Romania. March 4 Bulgaria breaks diplomatic relations with Belgium, the Netherlands and Poland. March 5 Belgium and Poland break diplomatic relations with Bulgaria. March 9 The Netherlands breaks diplomatic relations with Bulgaria. April 6 Germany invades Greece and Yugoslavia. Italy declares war on Yugoslavia. April 7 Great Britain and Greece break diplomatic relations with Hungary. Greece breaks diplomatic relations with Bulgaria. April 9 The Netherlands breaks diplomatic relations with Hungary. April 10 Yugoslavia invaded by Hungary. April 13 Japan signs five year neutrality pact with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. April 19 British forces occupy Iraqi port of Basra under terms of Anglo-Iraqi Treaty. April 22 Yugoslavia breaks diplomatic relations with Finland. April 23 Greece signs armistice with Axis Powers. April 24 Bulgaria declares war on Greece, Hungary and Yugoslavia. May 9 The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics breaks diplomatic relations with Belgium, Norway and Yugoslavia. June 3 The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics breaks diplomatic relations with Greece. June 22 Germany, Italy, Romania and Bulgaria declare war on the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Slovakia breaks diplomatic relations with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. June 24 Finland breaks diplomatic relations with Poland. Hungary breaks diplomatic relations with Greece. June 25 Finland declares war on the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. June 26 Denmark breaks diplomatic relations with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. June 27 Hungary declares war on the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. June 28 The Netherlands breaks diplomatic relations with Finland. June 29 Belgium breaks diplomatic relations with Finland. June 30 Vichy France breaks diplomatic relations with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. July 2 China breaks diplomatic relations with Germany and Italy. July 7 Iceland occupied by the United States. July 28 Finland breaks diplomatic relations with Great Britain. July 30 Poland signs peace treaty with Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. August 1 Great Britain breaks diplomatic relations with Finland. August 5 The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics re-establishes diplomatic relations with Greece and Norway. August 7 The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics re-establishes diplomatic relations with Belgium. August 22 Vichy France breaks diplomatic relations with Yugoslavia. August 25 Iran invaded by Great Britain and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. September 9 Iran accepts British and Soviet terms of occupation. September 16 Iran brakes diplomatic relations with Bulgaria, Hungary, Italy and Romania. October 5 Japan breaks diplomatic relations with Poland. November 16 Iraq breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. December 6 Finland and Romania declare war on Great Britain. December 7 Japan declares war on the United States of America, Great Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the Union of South Africa. Great Britain, Australia and New Zealand declare war on Finland, Hungary and Romania. Canada declares war on Finland, Hungary, Japan and Romania. Panama declares war on Japan. Greece breaks diplomatic relations with Japan. Nicaragua breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. Norway breaks relations with Finland. Yugoslavia at war with Japan. December 8 The United States of America, Great Britain, Australia, Costa Rica, The Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Haiti, Honduras, The Netherlands, New Zealand and Nicaragua declare war on Japan. The Union of South Africa declares war on Finland, Hungary, Japan and Romania. Belgium, Colombia and Mexico break diplomatic relations with Japan. Free French National Council declares war on Germany. Manchukuo declares war on the United States. December 9 China declares war with Germany, Italy and Japan. Cuba and Guatemala declare war on Japan. Egypt and Norway break diplomatic relations with Japan. The Netherlands breaks diplomatic relations with Thailand. December 11 Germany and Italy declare war on the United States of America. "The United States having violated in the most flagrant manner and in ever-increasing measure all rules of neutrality in favor of the adversaries of Germany and having continually been guilty of the most severe provocations toward Germany and since the outbreak of the European war, provoked by the British declaration of war against Germany on September 3, 1939, has finally resorted to open military acts of aggression. On September 11, 1941, the President of the United States publicly declared that he had ordered the American Navy and Air Force to shoot on sight at any German war vessel. In his speech of October 27, 1941, he once more expressly affirmed that this order was in force. Acting under this order, vessels of the American Navy, since early September 1941, have systematically attacked German naval forces. Thus, American destroyers, as for instance the Greer, the Kearny and the Rueben James, have opened fire on German submarines according to plan. The Secretary of the American Navy, Mr. Knox, himself confirmed that American destroyers attacked German submarines. Furthermore, the naval forces of the United States, under order of their Government and contrary to international law have treated and seized German merchant vessels on the high seas as enemy ships. The German Government therefore establishes the following facts: Although Germany on her part has strictly adhered to the rules of international law in her relations with the United States during every period of the present war, the Government of the United States from initial violations of neutrality has finally proceeded to open acts of war against Germany. The Government of the United States has thereby virtually created a state of war. The German Government, consequently, discontinues diplomatic relations with the United States of America and declares that under these circumstances brought about by President Roosevelt, Germany too, as from today, considers herself as being in a state of war with the United States of America. Accept, Mr. Charge d'Affairs, the expression of my high consideration." Hungary breaks diplomatic relations with the United States of America. Mexico breaks relations with Germany and Italy. The Netherlands declares war on Italy. Poland declares war on Japan. December 12 Bulgaria, Hungary and Slovakia declare war on the United States of America and Great Britain. Haiti, El Salvador and Panama declare war on Germany and Italy. Romania declares war on the United States of America. December 13 Great Britain, New Zealand and the Union of South Africa declare war on Bulgaria. Honduras declares war on Germany and Italy. Italy declares war on Cuba and Guatemala. December 14 Croatia declares war on the United States of America. December 15 Egypt breaks diplomatic relations with Hungary and Romania. December 16 Czechoslovakia declares war on all countries at war with the United States of America, Great Britain and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. December 17 Albania declares war on the United States of America. December 19 Colombia breaks relations with Germany and Italy. Mexico breaks diplomatic relations with Hungary. Nicaragua declares war on Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania. December 20 Belgium declares war on Japan. Mexico breaks diplomatic relations with Bulgaria. December 24 Haiti declares war on Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania. December 31 Venezuela breaks diplomatic relations with Germany, Italy and Japan. 1942 January 5 Egypt breaks diplomatic relations with Bulgaria and Finland. January 6 Australia declares war on Bulgaria. Egypt breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. January 11 Japan declares war on The Netherlands. January 24 Peru breaks diplomatic relations with Germany, Italy and Japan. January 25 Great Britain, New Zealand and the Union of South Africa declare war on Thailand. Thailand declares war on the United States of America and Great Britain. Uruguay breaks diplomatic relations with Germany, Italy and Japan. January 28 Brazil and Paraguay break diplomatic relations with Germany, Italy and Japan. January 29 Ecuador breaks diplomatic relations with Germany, Italy and Japan. February 5 Iran breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. April 13 Iran breaks diplomatic relations with Japan. April 23 The Union of South Africa breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. March 2 Australia declares war on Thailand. Hungary breaks diplomatic relations with Brazil. March 6 Romania breaks diplomatic relations with Brazil. May 4 Hungary breaks diplomatic relations with Uruguay. May 15 Costa Rica breaks diplomatic relations with Hungary and Romania. May 22 Mexico declares war on Germany, Italy and Japan. June 5 The United States of America declares war on Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania. July 8 Vichy France breaks diplomatic relations with Greece. August 22 Brazil declares war on Germany and Italy. August 29 Denmark placed under German martial law, King Christian interned, cabinet resigns. November 8 Vichy France breaks diplomatic relations with the United States of America. November 9 Canada, Cuba and Mexico break diplomatic relations with Vichy France. November 10 Haiti breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. November 11 Dominican Republic breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. Germany and Italy invade unoccupied zone of France. November 12 Guatemala breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. November 13 Brazil, El Salvador, Honduras and Panama break diplomatic relations with Vichy France. November 17 New Zealand breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. November 26 Colombia breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. November 27 Venezuela breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. December 14 Ethiopia declares war on Germany, Italy and Japan. 1943 January 9 Japanese puppet "National Government of China" in Nanking declares war on the United States of America and Great Britain. January 17 Iraq declares war on German, Italy and Japan. January 20 Chile breaks diplomatic relations with Germany, Italy and Japan. January 26 Peru breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. April 7 Bolivia declares war on the Axis Powers by Presidential decree. April 25 The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics breaks diplomatic relations with Poland. May 12 Uruguay breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. May 18 Chile breaks diplomatic relations with Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and Vichy France. August 1 Burma declares war on Great Britain and the United States of America. China breaks diplomatic relations with Vichy France. September 3 Italy signs military armistice with the Allied Powers. September 8 Italy signs unconditional surrender to the Allies at 6:30 p.m. September 9 Iran declares war on Germany. October 12 Portugal remains neutral but grants bases in the Azores to Great Britain. October 13 Italy declares war on Germany. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Two hours ago Italy declared war on Germany. A proclamation by Marshal Badoglio brands the Germans with savagery against the civil population and says there can be no peace while a single German remains on Italian soil. Italy's new step has been acknowledged in London, Washington and Moscow. Her status will be that of a co-belligerent and not an ally." BBC Newscast, October 13, 1943 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- November 26 Colombian senate declares state of belligerency with Germany. December 4 Bolivian cabinet declares war on Axis Powers. 1944 January 26 Argentina breaks diplomatic relations with Germany and Japan. Bolivia breaks diplomatic relations with Germany, Italy and Japan. January 27 Liberia declares war on Germany and Japan. February 4 Argentina breaks diplomatic relations with Bulgaria, Vichy France, Hungary and Romania. March 20 Germany occupies Hungary. March 27 Argentina declares war on Germany and Japan. August 2 Turkey breaks diplomatic relations with Germany. August 23 Romania accepts armistice terms offered by the United States of America, Great Britain and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. August 25 Romania declares war on Germany. August 26 Bulgaria declares itself neutral (not recognized by the Allies). September 5 The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics declares war on Bulgaria. September 7 Hungary declares war on Romania. Romania declares war on Hungary. September 9 Bulgaria signs armistice with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. September 12 Romania signs armistice with the Allies. September 19 Finland signs armistice with Great Britain and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics Finland breaks diplomatic relations with Hungary, Croatia and Slovakia. September 21 San Marino declares war on Germany. September 22 Finland breaks diplomatic relations with Japan. October 28 Bulgaria signs armistice with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United States of America and Great Britain. 1945 January 20 Hungary signs armistice with United States of America, Great Britain and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Hungary declares war on Germany. February 2 Ecuador announces that it has been at war with Japan since Dec. 7, 1941. February 7 Paraguay declares war on Germany and Japan. February 12 Peru in state of belligerency with Germany and Japan. February 15 Venezuela and Uruguay declare war on Germany and Japan. February 23 Turkey declares war on Germany and Japan effective Mar. 1, 1945. February 24 Egypt declares war on Germany and Japan. February 26 Syria declares war on Germany and Japan. February 27 Lebanon declares war on Germany and Japan. March 1 Iran declares war on Japan retroactive to Feb. 28, 1945. Saudi Arabia declares war on Japan. March 3 Finland declares war on Germany retroactive to Sept. 15, 1944. March 7 Romania declares war on Japan. April 11 Chile declares war on Japan. Spain breaks diplomatic relations with Japan. May 4 German troops in Denmark surrender. German troops in the Netherlands surrender. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The German command agrees to the surrender of all German armed forces in Holland, in northwest Germany including the Frislian Islands and Heligoland and all other islands, in Schleswig-Holstein, and in Denmark to the Commander in Chief 21st Army Group. This to include all naval ships in these areas. These forces to laydown their arms and surrender unconditionally. All hostilities on land, on sea or in the air by German Forces in the above areas to cease at 0800 hours British Double Summer Time on Saturday the 5th of May, 1945." Field Marshal Montgomery Announcing the surrender of German forces from his Headquarters at Luneberg Heath, Germany 6:10 a.m. - May 4, 1945 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May 6 Portugal breaks diplomatic relations with Germany. May 7 Germany signs unconditional surrender to the Allies at 2:41 am local time in Reims, France. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "General, with this signature the German people and the German Wehrmacht are for better or for worse delivered into the victors hands." Colonel General Alfred Jodl to General Walter Bedell-Smith May 8, 1945 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sweden breaks relations with Germany. May 8 German troops in Norway surrender. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Yesterday morning at 2:41 a.m. at General Eisenhower's headquarters General Jodl, the representative of the German high command and of Grand Admiral Donitz, the designated head of the German State, signed the act of unconditional surrender of all German land, sea and air forces in Europe to the Allied Expeditionary Force and simultaneously to the Soviet high command. We may allow ourselves a brief period of rejoicing but let us not forget for a moment the toils and efforts that lye ahead Japan with all her treachery and greed remains unsubdued. The injuries she has inflicted upon Great Britain, the United States and other countries and her detestable cruelties call for justice and retribution. We must now devote all our strength and resources to the completion of our task both at home and abroad. Advance Britannia! Long live the cause of freedom! God save the King! Prime Minister Winston S. Churchill "This is a solemn but glorious hour. I only wish that Franklin D. Roosevelt had lived to witness this day. The flags of freedom fly all over Europe. For this victory we join in offering our thanks to the Providence which has guided and sustained us through the dark days of adversity." President Harry S Truman May 15 Japan abrogates all treaties with Germany, Italy and other Axis countries. May 17 Denmark breaks diplomatic relations with Japan. June 6 Brazil declares war on Japan. July 6 Norway announces that it had declared war on Japan on December 7, 1941. July 14 Italy declares war on Japan effective July 15, 1945. August 8 The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics declares war on Japan effective Aug. 9, 1945. August 9 Mongolia declares war on Japan. August 14 Japan accepts Allied surrender terms. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Japan has today surrendered. The last of our enemies is laid low. Taking full advantage of surprise and treachery, the Japanese forces quickly overran the territories of ourselves and our allies in the Far East and at one time it appears as though they might even invade the mainland of Australia and advance far into India but the tide turned. First slowly then with an ever increasing speed and violence of the mighty forces of the United States and of the British Commonwealth and Empire and of their Allies and finally of Russia were brought to bare." Prime Minister Clement R. Atlee "Three months have passed since I asked you to join with me in an act of thanksgiving for the defeat of Germany. We then rejoiced that peace had returned to Europe but we knew that a strong and relentless enemy still remained to be conquered in Asia. No one could then tell how long or how heavy would prove the struggle that still awaited us but Japan has surrendered. So let us join in thanking Almighty God that war has ended throughout the world." King George VI August 16 Thailand declaration of war against United States and Great Britain ruled null and void. September 2 Japanese representatives sign the articles of surrender at 9:04 a.m. on the deck of the USS Missouri anchored in Tokyo Bay. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Today the guns are silent. A great tragedy has ended. A great victory has been won. The skies no longer rain death. The seas bare only commerce. Men everywhere walk upright in the sunlight. The entire world lies quietly at peace. The holy mission has been completed and in reporting this to you the people I speak for the thousands of silent lips forever stilled among the jungles and the beaches and in the deep waters of the Pacific which mark the way. I speak for the unnamed brave millions homeward bound to take up the challenge of that future which they did so much to salvage from the brink of disaster. As I look back on the long torturous trail from those grim days of Bataan and Corrigedor when an entire world lived in fear when democracy was on the defensive everywhere when modern civilization trembled in the balance I thank a merciful God that He has given us the faith, the courage and the power from which to mold victory. We have known the bitterness of defeat and the exultation of triumph and from both we have learned there can be no turning back. We must go forward to preserve in peace what we won in war." General Douglas MacArthur -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- September 3 Japanese forces in the Philippines surrender to Major General Edmond H. Leavy at 1210. September 9 Japanese forces in Korea south of the 38th parallel surrender to the United States at 1630. September 12 Japanese forces in Southeast Asia surrender to the Supreme Allied Commander Louis Mountbatten in Singapore at 0341 GMT. October 24 United Nations Charter signed in San Francisco WE THE PEOPLES OF THE UNITED NATIONS DETERMINED to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind, and to reaffirm faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person, in the equal rights of men and women and of nations large and small, and to establish conditions under which justice and respect for the obligations arising from treaties and other sources of international law can be maintained, and to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom, and for these ends to practice tolerance and live together in peace with one another as good neighbors, and to unite our strength to maintain international peace and security, and to ensure by the acceptance of principles and the institution of methods, that armed force shall not be used, save in the common interest, and to employ international machinery for the promotion of the economic and social advancement of all peoples. Have resolved to combine our efforts to accomplish these aims. Accordingly, our respective Governments, through representatives assembled in the city of San Francisco, who have exhibited their full powers found to be in good and due form, have agreed to the present Charter of the United Nations and do hereby establish an international organization to be known as the United Nations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -Nazi Germany invades Russia for it's oil fields. Not Saudia Arabia. He HAD believed at one point that he may require their deposits but realized with the collective Allied Naval Blockade it would have been impossible to depend up those deposits as a sure and steady source of the petroleum needed to continue his conquets. Rommel agreed. -You said Nazi Germany and America had been in the Arabian Penninsula as well as the rest of the Middle East/Asia Minor since the "1920's". First off, Nazi Germany didn't exist until 1932/33, and the United States of America had LIMITED OIL INTERESTS in the Middle East. As for The United States nearing on the brink of war with Nazi Germany over these deposits that which belonged to "Her Majesty's Court" is absurd. The Soviet Union was more of a threat to British dominance in the Middle East(Hence the invansions/occupations listed above). -Granada, caqn be viewed as effecting the Middle East in many ways. Be it media pooling, be it the arms traffic that supplied many Middle Eastern governments or their enemies all flowed through(Finance Wise) banks within the Cayman Islands, Central America and to an extent Granada. Granada which had a small population, some of which were students and others that were Military personnel. Those that were military personnel were operatives that trained Afgans to resist the Soviets. But to make so much of so little is ignorant(to which I'm sure you'll reply, "If you thought it were little, obviously you don't know what really when on there and how it effected...blah, blah, blah). Until you, the Man Behind the Curtain, graces us with the knowledge on you have, it'll all be a mystery-er? You're a modern day Joseph Smith aren't ya? Looking into that hat for what only you can see? Get real. If you knew anything other that "History Channel" facts or the sort of crap you read in the Turner Diaries, you'd be spouting and citing away wouldn't ya? I'm done with this thread and by extension you as well. I could go on forever arguing with you but the WHOPPER taught me something many years ago and that is that continuing to play this game with you is lunacy. It's a sad game of tic-tac-toe, so Joshua...the only way to win is not to play. Take care and good luck with distorting history so as to further an ignorant racist agenda that stinks of Officer Barbrady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 looking for me to cite all of this? "Avalon Project" by Yale University. Good check it all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 "Once again, the line of communication has broken down". My Cousin Vinny All drugs and alcohol is forbidden in Islam. I'm sure many muslims take part in the use of drugs and alcohol regardless of what the Koran says, but the issue at hand here is whether it's allowed or not. No, that is not the issue at hand at all. The issue isn't what the Koran stands for, its what the institution of Islam and its practitioners stand for. The institution of Islam, or organized practice of Islam has very serious problems, which apparently you are unwilling to acknowledge because other organized religions have a few issues too. There's a major difference between Priests molesting children and Imams calling for holy war. These priests who have been convicted of sexual crimes were not inciting their followers to go out and touch little boys. And there has been much backlash from angry Catholics who are holding the criminals who perpetrated these crimes and the INSTITUTIONS THAT ENABLED these crimes and covered up the abuses ACCOUNTABLE. Many of Islam's spiritual leaders are encouraging heinous crimes and their Mosque's are breeding grounds of hate and recruiting centers for would be terrorists. But rather than denounce the radical movement that undermines the institution of Islam you say "It's not my problem." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 "Once again, the line of communication has broken down". My Cousin Vinny All drugs and alcohol is forbidden in Islam. I'm sure many muslims take part in the use of drugs and alcohol regardless of what the Koran says, but the issue at hand here is whether it's allowed or not. Straight cash, homie. All of my relatives in Palestine own their homes outright. Whatever loans they obtain from the construction company that built their homes are interest free. A beautiful thing, ain't it? you don't have to pay three times the amount for your home. Must be nice. They're living in the 7th century but their homes are paid for. Good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 looking for me to cite all of this? "Avalon Project" by Yale University. Good check it all out. Are you serious with your previous post? So, Muslims had no problem with the West until Israel was created? Read up on General Pershing in the Phillipines before WW1 and how he handled the f'n terrorists that kept attacking his troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 No, that is not the issue at hand at all. The issue isn't what the Koran stands for, its what the institution of Islam and its practitioners stand for. The institution of Islam, or organized practice of Islam has very serious problems, which apparently you are unwilling to acknowledge because other organized religions have a few issues too. There's a major difference between Priests molesting children and Imams calling for holy war. These priests who have been convicted of sexual crimes were not inciting their followers to go out and touch little boys. And there has been much backlash from angry Catholics who are holding the criminals who perpetrated these crimes and the INSTITUTIONS THAT ENABLED these crimes and covered up the abuses ACCOUNTABLE. Many of Islam's spiritual leaders are encouraging heinous crimes and their Mosque's are breeding grounds of hate and recruiting centers for would be terrorists. But rather than denounce the radical movement that undermines the institution of Islam you say "It's not my problem." It's not my problem. I don't have to do nothing but follow my religion and go about my own business. I have always denounced terrorism, violence and extremists here on the PPP forum. Take a look at my posting history and you will see that. The thing is, I feel like I don't have to stand on a soapbox and continually do so. Sure, many of these spiritual leaders have to go, but the religion itself is just fine. Don't blame the Koran, blame the ones that promote violence. They're living in the 7th century but their homes are paid for. Good for them. You sure are ignorant. They have everything we have. As a matter of fact, the average home over there is better than anything you can find in the suburbs, here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 You sure are ignorant. They have everything we have. As a matter of fact, the average home over there is better than anything you can find in the suburbs, here. Prime beachfront property, sand everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It's not my problem. I don't have to do nothing but follow my religion and go about my own business. I have always denounced terrorism, violence and extremists here on the PPP forum. Take a look at my posting history and you will see that. The thing is, I feel like I don't have to stand on a soapbox and continually do so. Sure, many of these spiritual leaders have to go, but the religion itself is just fine. Don't blame the Koran, blame the ones that promote violence. You sure are ignorant. They have everything we have. As a matter of fact, the average home over there is better than anything you can find in the suburbs, here. b.harami98 ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Are you serious with your previous post? So, Muslims had no problem with the West until Israel was created? Read up on General Pershing in the Phillipines before WW1 and how he handled the f'n terrorists that kept attacking his troops. Fiction? First off, "Black Jack" Pershing is a proven myth. General John J Pershing though was a pretty fair and civilized man, he was Governor for four years and he jailed many of his own men who took part in torturing or humiliating the "Rebels". If we're learning from fiction maybe you should reference General Reinwald LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 b.harami98 ?? Yup, My sig and avatar is the same, ain't it? Prime beachfront property, sand everywhere I wasn't referring to the whole middle east, I'm talking about the west bank, here. Do you call Israel a desert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It's not my problem. I don't have to do nothing but follow my religion and go about my own business. I have always denounced terrorism, violence and extremists here on the PPP forum. Take a look at my posting history and you will see that. The thing is, I feel like I don't have to stand on a soapbox and continually do so. Sure, many of these spiritual leaders have to go, but the religion itself is just fine. Don't blame the Koran, blame the ones that promote violence. You sure are ignorant. They have everything we have. As a matter of fact, the average home over there is better than anything you can find in the suburbs, here. It must be that they can afford so much more when the builder provides the homes "interest free". We have those deals here too. I can buy a household of furniture and get it "interest free" for 3 years. Fiction? First off, "Black Jack" Pershing is a proven myth. General John J Pershing though was a pretty fair and civilized man, he was Governor for four years and he jailed many of his own men who took part in torturing or humiliating the "Rebels". If we're learning from fiction maybe you should reference General Reinwald LOL. Your posts yesterday are the first I remember from you. It has taken me less than 24 hours to figure out that your method of debate/discussion is to twist the truth and add little canards into your responses in order to confuse the issue. This is obviously what you are attempting to do here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I like how you're searching through the internet right now slowly realizing you made yourself sound like a complete moron. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It must be that they can afford so much more when the builder provides the homes "interest free". We have those deals here too. I can buy a household of furniture and get it "interest free" for 3 years. Your posts yesterday are the first I remember from you. It has taken me less than 24 hours to figure out that your method of debate/discussion is to twist the truth and add little canards into your responses in order to confuse the issue. This is obviously what you are attempting to do here. This is the reason why interest is forbidden in Islam Riba (loosely translated to mean “interest”) is strictly forbidden. The Qur’anic verses and Prophetic Hadiths (sayings or traditions of the Prophet Muhammad) that outlaw interest are clear and irrefutable. Islam strictly forbids the giving or taking of interest on any loan in any amount. Interest is defined as a set return on a loan, and as such implies a profit based on no risk or effort – a principle completely against Islamic ideals. Financial profit is a result of effort or risk (or both), and interest seeks to undermine the risk-based nature of trade. Furthermore, in many instances interest is exploitative – it is typically used as a means of deriving profit from the financially weaker members of society by a wealthy class in whose hands the lent money is concentrated. With these people, a loan is not a favor done to help others or the society, but is used as a means of oppression and undermines social cohesion. Interest has crumbled empires, while making oppressors out of others At the same time, Islam encourages investment and loans given as a means of charity. Such loans are given by Muslims with the expectation that they be paid back. However, the intention behind helping a fellow Muslim in distress is not profit but the pleasure of Allah. Interest, as known today, is ubiquitous in the financial markets of the world. It allows richer nations to capitalize on the resources of poorer nations under the guise of “paying back national debt.” Interest has crumbled empires, while making oppressors out of others. Most importantly, our sustenance is determined by Allah, and He has promised to decrease the sustenance of the collector of interest and increase the sustenance of the one who gives alms. While the reality of this may seem against intellect, it is a fact that will be clear tone with a proper understanding of the Ability of Allah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It must be that they can afford so much more when the builder provides the homes "interest free". We have those deals here too. I can buy a household of furniture and get it "interest free" for 3 years. Your posts yesterday are the first I remember from you. It has taken me less than 24 hours to figure out that your method of debate/discussion is to twist the truth and add little canards into your responses in order to confuse the issue. This is obviously what you are attempting to do here. Um actually you twisted the "Truth" by referencing STUFF that NEVER HAPPENED. Interesting how you offer no factual dispute to my response to your clear view on Urban Legends as historical fact lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 The US paid $395 billion in interest alone, last year. How is that a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 The US paid $395 billion in interest alone, last year. How is that a good thing? It's not the interest that kills. It's the borrowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 It's funny that if you're defending Islam you can suggest something totally logical and you're considered an extremist LOL How dare a Muslim give advice on personal finance and issues relating to it! How dare he/she... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 For someone portraying themself as someone who deserves an "A" you seriously neglect citing your references don't you? As I said before...you must be a Professor at Tufts. [...clipped in interest of brevity///] I'm done with this thread and by extension you as well. I could go on forever arguing with you but the WHOPPER taught me something many years ago and that is that continuing to play this game with you is lunacy. It's a sad game of tic-tac-toe, so Joshua...the only way to win is not to play. Take care and good luck with distorting history so as to further an ignorant racist agenda that stinks of Officer Barbrady. What the !@#$ is this mental retardation? Is there a point to that spew, Mr. Cut-And-Paste Internet Warrior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 3, 2011 Author Share Posted November 3, 2011 What the !@#$ is this mental retardation? Is there a point to that spew, Mr. Cut-And-Paste Internet Warrior? reading that was a challenge, I'll admit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPowlus Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 (edited) That appears to be a long list of dates without any connection or explanation whatsoever, I see you're trying to paint the canvas in crayon that much is clear, but you cannot paint history by number. If you wish to prove your point try to keep your essay legible, do not try to address three parties without making it clear you're doing so. Otherwise you just come off as a raving, ranting putz who makes valid points and stirs them in with arguable opinions and ends up negating his original concern. IMO Edited November 3, 2011 by DPowlus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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