boyst Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 While the wife seems totally naive the sons had to have some idea something was fishy. I mean, who'd lie and say they knew?! But this is just amazing, I may not have ever heard all about this but the sons turning the father in - then being asked to post bond - wow. That they both planned to kill themselves, as well. This story is just so deep in emotion that it makes you wonder if it is too deep in emotion - as in all an act. Anyone else feeling the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted October 30, 2011 Share Posted October 30, 2011 So far I think the sons wife is the smartest of the bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 So far I think the sons wife is the smartest of the bunch. The wife came off, either through 60 minutes edits or natural, as a very innocent naive person. Reminds me of any midwestern wife out there who was just the wife. Hard to remember she was the other half of a billionaires success. The son just came off as bitter by the end of it and I think he had the right to be, obviously. How could he have not have known?! That wife, though, she gets solid credit for being a great wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I did not see the segment but Madoff was the ultimate liar so maybe he did keep his family in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The wife came off, either through 60 minutes edits or natural, as a very innocent naive person. Reminds me of any midwestern wife out there who was just the wife. Hard to remember she was the other half of a billionaires success. The son just came off as bitter by the end of it and I think he had the right to be, obviously. How could he have not have known?! That wife, though, she gets solid credit for being a great wife. :blink: So your definition of a solid wife is one who is so subservient to her husband that she sat back in silence (or blissful ignorance) as her husband stole hundreds of millions of dollars from people AND then had the good sense to commit suicide with him because he got caught? I guess we look for different things in a woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I'm still having a hard time feeling bad for any of these folks. Whether she knew it or not, she lived a very good life on the backs of others. In fact, even after all is said and done and he's in prison, the scraps she still has from this mess still allow her to live a better life than I'll EVER live, and that makes me sick. This is why when there is violent revolution in other countries and these power brokers get caught they and their entire families die some quick deaths... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 :blink: So your definition of a solid wife is one who is so subservient to her husband that she sat back in silence (or blissful ignorance) as her husband stole hundreds of millions of dollars from people AND then had the good sense to commit suicide with him because he got caught? I guess we look for different things in a woman. He means the sons wife, not Madoffs wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) That was a very rough interview. Really tough to watch. Madoff left a trail of destruction, to be sure. I dont think the wife knew and Im not surprised she didnt. Think about it....your spouse know EVERYTHING youre doing 9-5? You could be doing a ton of stuff s/he will never know about. Edited October 31, 2011 by RkFast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 That was a very rough interview. Really tough to watch. Madoff left a trail of destruction, to be sure. I dont think the wife knew and Im not surprised she didnt. Think about it....your spouse know EVERYTHING youre doing 9-5? You could be doing a ton of stuff s/hes will never know about. And why would she have any idea or question how he was making his money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 And why would she have any idea or question how he was making his money? My wife doesn't know exactly what I do at work (not positive she even knows generally - hell, sometimes I'm not even sure myself). I have to imagine that if I'm a billionaire Ponzi-scheme fraudster masquerading as a hedge fund manager, I'm pretty sure I can stifle any spousal interest in my job by exclaiming "I made 30% today on Angora goat futures!" or such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 My wife doesn't know exactly what I do at work (not positive she even knows generally - hell, sometimes I'm not even sure myself). I have to imagine that if I'm a billionaire Ponzi-scheme fraudster masquerading as a hedge fund manager, I'm pretty sure I can stifle any spousal interest in my job by exclaiming "I made 30% today on Angora goat futures!" or such. I imagine he stifled it by saying "honey, I just bought you a new Rolls." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I think the sons knew. Maybe not all along but they had to have some info on the ponzi after a while. Maybe thats one of the reasons Mark killed himself. JMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Bernie fooled Wall Street, thousands of investors and the SEC for 20+ years. It isn't too hard for me to believe that he fooled his wife and kids as well. No one knew what was up until the money ran out and Bernie couldn't pay the redemptions. As for Mark's suicide, he, his brother and mother were harassed around the clock. I don't think that the people who lost everything were at all interested in distinguishing between Bernie and his family. Imagine living with the guilt and shame that your father wiped out thousands of people's savings, many charities - and I'm pretty sure several synogogues and a famous Holocaust Survivors charity were heavily invested in Madoff- while you got rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Bernie fooled Wall Street, thousands of investors and the SEC for 20+ years. It isn't too hard for me to believe that he fooled his wife and kids as well. No one knew what was up until the money ran out and Bernie couldn't pay the redemptions. As for Mark's suicide, he, his brother and mother were harassed around the clock. I don't think that the people who lost everything were at all interested in distinguishing between Bernie and his family. Imagine living with the guilt and shame that your father wiped out thousands of people's savings, many charities - and I'm pretty sure several synogogues and a famous Holocaust Survivors charity were heavily invested in Madoff- while you got rich. His sons are the ones who turned him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 His sons are the ones who turned him in. I know what you're saying and think I agree...but don't you think they could have just as easily staged the turn-in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I know what you're saying and think I agree...but don't you think they could have just as easily staged the turn-in? Sure, anything could have happened but it's hard enough to really turn your dad in, let alone faking it to save your own skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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