Fixxxer Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 What a stupid idiotic thread +1 I hate this reactive threads, lazy thought process without an ounce of objectivity.
dbmu1977 Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Fitz made two bad throws on the road with the giants push rush chasing him all day long. Those two throws are the same ones he has been completing to stevie all year long. If drayton florence turns around instead of intefering, maybe he picks the ball late in the game. The bills had the g-men on their heels and were going for the win. How many picks has Brady made today, you wanna bench him too?
bobobonators Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 +1 I hate this reactive threads, lazy thought process without an ounce of objectivity. Perfectly stated.
Just in Atlanta Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Is there any doubt? Because of two interceptions? And the defense had nothing to do with this loss? Where are we going to find this magical franchise QB? The quarterback patch? We've been waiting around for 13 years for this elusive figure. I'll be grey before this OP is happy. He'll occasionaly throw a bad pass. His deep ball isn't the best. But he's a winner. Not ashamed to use a geeky cliche. Worst thread ever.
Talley56 Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Aside from 1 pic I don't recall Fitz playing that poorly against the Eagles. As for today's game, I had to listen to the game on radio so I didn't get to see all of his passes but I've gotten to see some of it. It looked like the first int was a bad pass but the second one just looked like a nice defensive play by Webster. Also, after having only been sacked 4 times in the first 5 games he was sacked 3 times today, twice in a row at one point. That can rattle a guy. For now, I believe in Fitz as a guy who can get us to the playoffs this year and maybe even in the distant future.
MRW Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Agreed. I'm glad he's starting for us, and we haven't just taken whoever was available. My point was that in order to be a year in and year out contender we need to pull the trigger on the guy if he happens to be there. I'm a big fitz fan but he's not a guy that's going to fill up a hand with rings. In the meantime it's good fun football but he has limitations that put a ceiling on him and the team long term. And likewise agreed - if Barkley or Landry Jones or someone is there at the Bills' spot and they think he can be a franchise guy, by all means take him (haven't kept up with QB performances this year, no idea how these guys are doing). But no trades up like the Jets did to get Sanchez, or feeling like they need to draft a guy in the first or second if they're not confident he will develop.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 It's the 3rd game with a lot of bad throws of Fitzpatrick. Today 2 underthrows became int specially the 2nd cost us the game and that last drive prove we need a franchise QB. I know it's not all Fitz fault but it's clear as water. We have a very good backfield, a good group of WR, a decent OL (spite of the injuries). But the D doesn't make the right adjustments and the QB has all day to get rid of the ball. I'm just pissed, lose because a team outplayed you, fine. But lose because your own mistakes like today and that Cincy game just makes me crazy. Yes, there is doubt that we need a franchise QB. Would it be nice to have Tom Brady yes, but There Is Only One. I could logic this: point out that Fitz getting rid of the ball in an AVERAGE of 1.5 sec is making the OL look better, point out that Fitz is making it look easy to throw to an injury-decimated WR core, point out that Fitz is showing up at press conferences with his throwing hand bandaged up. "A lot of bad throws" in the last three games, give me a break. He threw 77.8% completions last week for a 92.6% QB rating. Yeah, he threw two picks today, but overall 70% completions. How's a guy manage that when he has "a lot of bad throws"? But I won't. Y'all ain't the sort to listen to logic. Fitz knows those two INT throws sucked. Listen to his press conference. The question is does he take the right lesson from it, learn from it but not get too down on himself and lose confidence? Manning was under fire after his crappy game last Sunday, and he pulled it together. My money's on Fitz to do the same and Chan to help him do it. Every QB makes bad throws sometimes. Bottom line: you all in this thread are certified "baby with the Bathwater" tossers. If we were to draft a bona-fide Franchise QB, you'd be all over his a** every time he had a bad game behind a banged-up OL with 3rd tier WR until we Younged him out of Tampa-er BUFFALO- in two years - just in time to be all over the GM's a** for trading away an obvious winner. If we had Stafford you'd have been all over his a** last year for being injury-prone, trade the b**tch. If we had Bradford you'd be all over his a** for failing to save us from an 0-5 record when we almost went to the playoffs last year. Give. Me. A. Break.
Brandon Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 I wouldn't be in any hurry to replace him. The only thing that's wrong with Fitz is that if he doesn't lead them to 30 points, they're probably not going to win. He's not a great QB, but he's still a good one, and if the Bills continue to build the rest of the team around him they can win with him.
folz Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 1. Didn't Brady and Vick both have 4 Int games against us just this year? Even great QBs have bad days. 2. People bring up the hall of fame QBs (Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers?). How many teams at any given time have a HOF QB (maybe 3 or 4). That leaves 28-29 teams without a QB like that. We've been looking to get another one since Kelly retired in '96. People act like it is easy to go out a get a future HOFer. It's not. 3. The Bills have said they we're going to draft Newton if Carolina didn't (even though I was against the idea at the time---guess I was wrong). 4. Fitzpatrick has brought more hope, fun, and exciting play of any QB in Buffalo since Flutie and before that Kelly. Does he have his weaknesses? Sure. But his strengths outweigh his weaknesses on most days, he's a great leader who has his team behind him, the team is winning games, they're fun to watch, and when they're down they're not necessarily out anymore. 5. We were playing with a backup rookie left tackle in only his second game, and then when he went out we had our guard playing left tackle and his back-up in at guard against one of the best pass rushing defenses in the league. 6. Our WR core was depleted from injuries. 7. The defense was without Kyle Williams and Shawne Merriman and didn't do their part in shutting the Giants down to make the picks not hurt us. 8. We were playing a team that just got embarrassed at home last week back at their house (on the road for us). I'm disappointed in the loss too and I'm really not trying to make excuses for it; I'm just saying its not time to panic and abandon ship on anyone. Despite Fitz's (and the defense's) bad day, we only lost by 3 on the road to a decent team. I mean, what is the point of calling for a Franchise (especially when you really mean HOF type) QB when it isn't easy to find one and the FO obviously wouldn't pass one up if the opportunity arose. Until that day...I am so glad that Fitz is our QB and I'm behind him 100%. Keep some perspective, give the guy a break, and keep rooting for him.
bg17 Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Haven't seen all the stats from around the league today, but after last week Sanchez, Gabbert, and Bradford were bringing up the rear in ESPN QBR. What is a franchise quarterback anyway? And yes, I know Gabbert hasn't even had a cup of coffee yet and Bradford has nothing around him. That wouldn't stop some folks here from declaring them both busts.
opfball91 Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Look I love Fitz as much as the next fan but we need to be realistic, we can improve on him, pretty substantially in my opinion. Not to mention he'd be a great mentor to a young guy.
PO'14 Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 I'll tell you two things since you're new here. 1) That kind of stuff will get you removed in very short order. If you want to yell and call people stupid, go somewhere else because it isn't welcome here. 2) You're yapping like a chihuahua at one of the best posters on this board and if he wants he'll probably make you look like a buffoon in about 2 sentences. Sorry I dont conform with one of the so called BEST POSTERS on a Public Messageboard. And secondly, saying someone wrote something stupid in my opinion doesnt mean I am calling the person Stupid! We are both Bills fans. Its sad to think that one of the BEST POSTERS wants a Franchise QB when they are few and far between in this washed up league. Oh well, sorry if I offended one of the favorite posters. By the way, Im still waiting for his 2 sentences. Maybe hes gone for the night or maybe he realized that in fact there are only a handful franchise QBs in the league and that his comment was a little far fetched. Maybe he misses Edwards, Losman and Rob Johnson,,,,who knows! Cheers
Simon Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 Sorry I dont conform with ....... Or maybe he's smarter than me and just has no interest in wasting his time conversing with a poster who's obviously desperate for attention and whose primary contribution to the board seems to be running around and yelling at people. Yea- I've outlined my feelings on fitz more than a couple times in this thread and they more or less have remained constant in the dozens of occasions ive hopped in the conversation over the last 18 months or so. Fitz has bumped up a few spots in my book since then, but I think he is what he is at this point - and that's good for now. He might have hot weeks/months and might have weak ones.... Generally his arm isn't top notch. It's NFL caliber but it's not one that'll win a lot more than it loses. Saying we need an upgrade isn't saying cut him, or bring in whoever immediately to blindly replace him. It's an assessment that we are pretty middle of the pack at the most important position on the field. I'm thankful we are higher up than we've been in the past at that position, but it's not where we need to be to win consistently long term. Sorry that you find that commentary to be so asinine. Or maybe he'll show up any second now and contrast your repetitive shouting with another sensible post that earns him more respect in a single paragraph than you've earned since you showed up.
benderbender Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 Is there any doubt? Because of two interceptions? And the defense had nothing to do with this loss? Where are we going to find this magical franchise QB? The quarterback patch? We've been waiting around for 13 years for this elusive figure. I'll be grey before this OP is happy. He'll occasionaly throw a bad pass. His deep ball isn't the best. But he's a winner. Not ashamed to use a geeky cliche. Worst thread ever. He has average arm strength and mediocre accuracy, but somehow he's a winner. I forgot to look on the back of his football card to see how much his "winner" score was. Or did he bring his "winner" title from Cincinnati?
PO'14 Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 Yea- I've outlined my feelings on fitz more than a couple times in this thread and they more or less have remained constant in the dozens of occasions ive hopped in the conversation over the last 18 months or so. Fitz has bumped up a few spots in my book since then, but I think he is what he is at this point - and that's good for now. He might have hot weeks/months and might have weak ones.... Generally his arm isn't top notch. It's NFL caliber but it's not one that'll win a lot more than it loses. Saying we need an upgrade isn't saying cut him, or bring in whoever immediately to blindly replace him. It's an assessment that we are pretty middle of the pack at the most important position on the field. I'm thankful we are higher up than we've been in the past at that position, but it's not where we need to be to win consistently long term. Sorry that you find that commentary to be so asinine. I dont find nothing asinine. As Ive stated many times now, finding a franchise quarterback is the quest of every team. However, there are not enough of these so called Franchise QBs to throw around. To compare Fitz to Fiedler versus Fitz to Rodgers, Brady, Brees and Manning is stating the obvious. 26 other teams can do the same thing but the solution is not as easy as you think. We are both cheer for the Bills. Fitz is doing a good job. We could be 6-0 as much as we could be 1-5. We can win with Fitz, but we cant win with this defense. Cheers
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 I dont find nothing asinine. As Ive stated many times now, finding a franchise quarterback is the quest of every team. However, there are not enough of these so called Franchise QBs to throw around. To compare Fitz to Fiedler versus Fitz to Rodgers, Brady, Brees and Manning is stating the obvious. 26 other teams can do the same thing but the solution is not as easy as you think. We are both cheer for the Bills. Fitz is doing a good job. We could be 6-0 as much as we could be 1-5. We can win with Fitz, but we cant win with this defense. Cheers See how much more reasonable that was than our last go around- I think you'll enjoy your time around here a lot more if you take a few deep breathes more often.
PO'14 Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 Or maybe he's smarter than me and just has no interest in wasting his time conversing with a poster who's obviously desperate for attention and whose primary contribution to the board seems to be running around and yelling at people. Or maybe he'll show up any second now and contrast your repetitive shouting with another sensible post that earns him more respect in a single paragraph than you've earned since you showed up. If youve read my first 20 posts or so you will notice that I have shown full respect. Today I just witnessed my team lose and some want to compare Fitz to Fiedler rather than 4 future Hall of Famer Quarterbacks. Please explain why I shouldnt be irritated. Sorry Mr. Moderator for not drinking the Kool-Aid!
John Cocktosten Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 Fitz is limited no doubt but he is a great stop gap. Sign him to a 3 year contract and draft a QB to develop over those 3 years. I love Kellen Moore and he will be there in the 3rd. Everyone keeps doubting him but he's deadly accurate and clutch beyond belief. In Fitz's defense to his recent play, he's not playing with a full arsenal. Naaman is his #2....nuff said.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 He had more than two. Two were picked. Many off target. He played poorly and frankly today's game isn't a rarity for his career. People acting like KC is what he normally does are kidding themselves. He's middle of the pack. Middle of the pack isn't good enough longterm at qb. It'll do for now but not for long. He's got a lot more in common with jay Fiedler than Brady, manning, brees or Rodgers I agree, KC is not what Fitz normally does. Very few QB do. I guess I wonder what folks mean by "many" in the phrase "many off target"? A QB simply can't throw "many off target" and hit 70% completion, which is where Fitz was this game. 78% last week in the Eagles game. There is only one QB currently playing who has more than 70% completion over 6 games and his name isn't Brady, Manning, or Brees. I could be wrong, I tend to think people's perceptions of Fitz are colored by expectations. I have seen Fitz over and underthrow this year. I have seen many better QB over and under throw. Last year I saw 2-3 "WTF?" throws per game. I haven't been seeing those this year. I think people look at Fitz through "he's inaccurate" glasses and come up with this "many" tag which seems factually and statistically undeserved right now, where a "great" QB can under and overthrow a few times each game and it goes unremarked. He has average arm strength and mediocre accuracy, but somehow he's a winner. I forgot to look on the back of his football card to see how much his "winner" score was. Or did he bring his "winner" title from Cincinnati? This is getting old. Last year is last year. The "pro bowl" and the "superbowl" and the "losses" of yesteryear are equally unavailing. No one is claiming Fitz has been a winner all his pro-football life. There are QB who develop like that - they are backups, or see little playing time, and take ~30 games of playing time to develop.
#34fan Posted October 17, 2011 Posted October 17, 2011 You don't throw a pass like that with that kind of field position in the fourth quarter. Not to a wide out. Maybe a little shovel pass, or something safe to a tight end, but that particular throw was just DUMB. And even if you do take that kind of a chance, you play it safe, by OVERTHROWING IT. If your guy doesn't catch it, no one else should either.
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