San Jose Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 It's not a mistake when Fitz under throws or flares a deep pass. He just shouldn't be attempting most deep balls because he obviously doesn't have the arm for it. He's shown this time and again. If he plays within his abilities, and the coaches encourage this with their play calling, Fitz is fine and we're probably fine as well (on the offensive side of the ball). Not sure what you're saying, Allan. The ball was on the 27 yard line so this wasn't a deep pass.
stony Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 It's not a mistake when Fitz under throws or flares a deep pass. He just shouldn't be attempting most deep balls because he obviously doesn't have the arm for it. He's shown this time and again. If he plays within his abilities, and the coaches encourage this with their play calling, Fitz is fine and we're probably fine as well (on the offensive side of the ball). Where are you getting this from? These were not deep balls for god's sake. They were 25 yd passes that he should have put more air under or thrown sooner. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with arm strength.
Nostradamus Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Well covered what game were you watching? Stevie had two steps on the guy it was a horrible throw!!!!!! On a slightly different note, Johnson does seem to have great footwork. After 6 weeks, if I'm looking to extend either Fitzy or Johnson, it's Johnson and it's not even close.
Max997 Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Aside from FJax 80 yard run, he had 15 carries for 41 yards. That's 2.7 ypc. How can people so confidently say that we could have easily ran the ball and run out the clock? And how much clock do you expect to burn being just outside the red zone? Especially since the Giants still had 2 time outs remaining. You run the ball in a tie game when u are in FG range with under 5 mins left to at worst run some clock Gailey just doesn't like to run the ball
Dorkington Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Questionable call, and a bad throw. I'm not ready to fire Chan or bench Fitzpatrick over it though.
FreakPop Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Or just throw a relatively easy pass down the sideline ahead of your WR... It's easy to go all "what if" but the bottom line is, Gailey was going for the win. I can live w/ that and especially knowing that the play wasn't a bad read by Fitzy, it was just a poorly thrown ball. We'll get that one next time. I understand going for the win when you have the ball outside of field goal range and your down by a couple and there is like .30 secs to go. But right there you run clock kick the FG and give the Giants as little time to work with as possible. It really is that easy!
eme123 Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 I haven't read any other posts today... just letting out some frustration. RUN THE BALL WHEN YOU ARE IN SCORING POSITION WITH 4 MINUTES LEFT. : I will take a coach who will try to score TD's and score as many points as possible every time. We had one on one coverage against Stevie on a route where he had already beaten his man earlier in the game. It was a great play call. Sure enough Stevie beat his man again. Fitz just under threw it. We could have ran the ball 3 times and kicked a field goal. In my opinion with our secondary that's giving the Giants a perfect opportunity to win.
Just in Atlanta Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 And if we made the throw, he'd be a genius. We can't run and screen all the time. We took a shot. It didn't work. We lost a close game.
MRW Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 I understand going for the win when you have the ball outside of field goal range and your down by a couple and there is like .30 secs to go. But right there you run clock kick the FG and give the Giants as little time to work with as possible. It really is that easy! That is complete, 100%, Dick Jauron football. If you don't see the problems with it I'm not sure what to tell you. No, with 4 minutes left you don't run clock and settle for a 45 yard field goal.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 That is complete, 100%, Dick Jauron football. If you don't see the problems with it I'm not sure what to tell you. No, with 4 minutes left you don't run clock and settle for a 45 yard field goal. You mean field goal attempt.
stony Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 I understand going for the win when you have the ball outside of field goal range and your down by a couple and there is like .30 secs to go. But right there you run clock kick the FG and give the Giants as little time to work with as possible. It really is that easy! And what would be the argument when the Giants have 1min 45sec and 2 timeouts left and win the game? I understand this is all revisionist BS at this point, but kicking a 40+ yd FG isn't easy either. We'd all be crying about the fact that "Chan didn't get aggressive enough and he should have known our defense couldn't stop them if they got the ball back" if they ended up scoring a TD.
FreakPop Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 And if we made the throw, he'd be a genius. We can't run and screen all the time. We took a shot. It didn't work. We lost a close game. Nope! As soon as Fitz didn't hand it off to Fred I screamed WTF! Then he threw it and then I really went WTF! So no I didn't think that. Had he run time, kicked a FG, and escaped NY with a W, would have impressed me more than "gambling and losing". It would have shown me he can make the right calls at crunch time on the road in a tie game.
stony Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 That is complete, 100%, Dick Jauron football. If you don't see the problems with it I'm not sure what to tell you. No, with 4 minutes left you don't run clock and settle for a 45 yard field goal. Thank you.
qdawg in philly Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 You run the ball in a tie game when u are in FG range with under 5 mins left to at worst run some clock Gailey just doesn't like to run the ball EXACTLY!!
KOKBILLS Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 And as I'm saying, I had to watch 4 years of Jauron Ball and if we'd have gone conservative and lost as a result, Gailey would have been roasted. I prefer (at least right now) to see my team go down firing all bullets. I think the conservative approach is defeatist and after Jauron, I've had enough of watching the Bills play that way. Dude...The Jauron days are WAY long gone...Who gives a crap about what Dead Dick did?...He was a brutal Coach...it's over (thank God)...And The Bills are trying to become a Playoff Team...It's different now...There was no reason to go down firing with all bullets...There was no reason to lose this game at all really... Gailey is clearly a good HC...I'm not frying the guy overall...I really like Gailey...But a HC is going to be judged by decisions like this and Game Management...And look...I'm not calling for 3 runs up the middle or anything like that whatsoever...If Gailey wants to throw 3 times there fine...But play to Fitz's strengths...That's all I'm saying...And that throw is CLEARLY not Fitz's strength...Everybody knows it...And for me that's why that Call, at that time, was way too much risk...Gailey just showed too much confidence in Fitz's arm and it cost The Bills the Game...Believe me he's not going to do it again no matter what he says...There's no reason to do it again...The Bills have already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they can move the Ball in other, FAR safer ways...
MRW Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 You mean field goal attempt. Thanks, that is actually a very important correction that I think everyone arguing against the call should take into consideration. So many arguments seem to treat the scenario like it was first and goal inside the 10.
qdawg in philly Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Nope! As soon as Fitz didn't hand it off to Fred I screamed WTF! Then he threw it and then I really went WTF! So no I didn't think that. Had he run time, kicked a FG, and escaped NY with a W, would have impressed me more than "gambling and losing". It would have shown me he can make the right calls at crunch time on the road in a tie game. LMAO!! I said the same thing!
stony Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 (edited) You run the ball in a tie game when u are in FG range with under 5 mins left to at worst run some clock Gailey just doesn't like to run the ball 30 pass attempts, 23 rushes. Pretty balanced. And last week, 35 rushes 27 passes. Gailey likes to run the ball just fine. Edited October 16, 2011 by stony
CBD Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 I haven't read any other posts today... just letting out some frustration. RUN THE BALL WHEN YOU ARE IN SCORING POSITION WITH 4 MINUTES LEFT. Why is that Gailey's fault? Don't teams typically break the huddle with a run/pass option? Fitz read the defense and called the play, he even could have audibled to a run if he felt the pass wouldn't work. The same ballsy stuff that fans say they love when it works can come back and bite you at some point. Maybe that's one of them. Also, Fitz threw a bad pass.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2011 Posted October 16, 2011 Like with Simon, KOKBILLS, we'll agree to disagree. I've stated my position on the call in three different threads with about a dozen or so responses. Maybe it's time to start a poll… but (I think) I've said all I'm gonna say about the call.
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