bmur66 Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Yes I have noticed. CJ is starting to pick up some of Freddies running style. Plus it looks like he is getting stronger. I think I actually saw him give a stiff arm.
John Cocktosten Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 The Bills have to start mixing in CJ more. Freddy is gong to get worn out. Plus, Spiller has shown flashes this season that he's starting to get it.
Homey D. Clown Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Guy is averaging like 8 yards per carry... give him a break. This is TSW, it is common practice for people to bash 1st round picks. In fact, this is the only place on the planet where picking a potential game changing running back when our starter is 30 years old could ever be discussed as a luxury pick. Your logic carries no weight here.
EldaBillsFan Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 i was okay then , andI am now okay with spiller he is in his second years, and produces when given the chance....fact is I love Fred and he is physical wonder considering his age....and that he seem to be getting better but the other side of that in 2 year maybe 3...Fred will be 33...and CJ 25.... Sometime you have to secure your future...
metzelaars_lives Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Guy is averaging like 8 yards per carry... give him a break. EXACTLY!
bananathumb Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Spiller looked better on Sunday, but after watching Jackson, he seems small. I worry that he will be a washout, because Chan really wanted him and usually can make the most out of an offensive threat. With Spiller, Chan keeps saying he hasn't figured it out yet. He's had two years to "figure things out'. Must be a slow learner, or he's just too small.
Chandler#81 Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Spiller looked better on Sunday, but after watching Jackson, he seems small. I worry that he will be a washout, because Chan really wanted him and usually can make the most out of an offensive threat. With Spiller, Chan keeps saying he hasn't figured it out yet. He's had two years to "figure things out'. Must be a slow learner, or he's just too small. Not buying the 'too small' concern. Wes Welker is on pace to smash all single season receiving records (we helped him immensly) and Jones-Drew is must see. I see Spiller turning the corner -no pun- and beginning to get it. Once we get him in the secondary on the screens we run Freddy with, CJ won't be caught.
PDaDdy Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) Yeah.....those 16 yards from scrimmage sure do legitimize using a #9 selection in an NFL draft on him! Seriously, CJ gets a ton of room because he was drafted so high. I understand this. Whitner had supporters til the end as well. Who really wants to face the ugly fact that the team we love so much wasted premium draft picks? Like you, I hope that CJ can contribute to this football team. As a matter of fact he threw a nice block on a touchdown pass on Sunday. That said, the chances of him even approaching what one would want from a #9 running back are remote at best. Do you think Nix is glad that he made this selection as we speak? We never, ever will know, but I will always suspect that this pick was mandateded by Mr. Wilson. This Sunday CJ had 13 yards off of 2 carries which I believe comes to 6.5yds/carry. On the year CJ has 15 carries for for 107 yards for 7.1yards/carry. Jackson by comparison has 90 for 480 at 5.3yds/carry. That's pretty DAMN good for getting 3 carries a game. Do you REALLY expect that CJ or ANY RB is going to replace Jackson? The guy is 3rd in rushing and 2nd in yards for scrimmage in the ENTIRE LEAGUE? You don't take carries away from a guy like that. You ride that horse. Don't be retarded. You don't say Steve Young sucks because he didn't replace Joe Montana in his second year. Edited October 11, 2011 by PDaDdy
JohnC Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Yeah.....those 16 yards from scrimmage sure do legitimize using a #9 selection in an NFL draft on him! Seriously, CJ gets a ton of room because he was drafted so high. I understand this. Whitner had supporters til the end as well. Who really wants to face the ugly fact that the team we love so much wasted premium draft picks? Like you, I hope that CJ can contribute to this football team. As a matter of fact he threw a nice block on a touchdown pass on Sunday. That said, the chances of him even approaching what one would want from a #9 running back are remote at best. Do you think Nix is glad that he made this selection as we speak? We never, ever will know, but I will always suspect that this pick was mandateded by Mr. Wilson. It's getting to the point that you are obsessing over the Spiller pick. Your speculating that Wilson possibly made the pick is a very extended reach. Do you really think that the over 90 yr old owner had a clue as to who Spiller was coming out of the college ranks? You are insultingly diminishing Nix as a GM and his authority in the two drafts he was involved in by insinuating Wilson's involvement in his drafts. I'm not suggesting that the owner hasn't interfered in prior drafts but I'm confident that he wasn't involved in the two Nix drafts. There is nothing sinster or complicated in Nix's drafting of Spiller. He took a top ten rated player in the top ten location of the draft. He drafted a player whom he felt was going to be a playmaker. While you have for the most part written him off in his short stint as a pro player I haven't. As it stands Spiller is not getting much playing time because Fred Jackson has been playing superbly. What is wrong with that? You originally wrote off Bell as a LT based on his early playing time. This year he seems to have taken a quantum leap in improvement. Is he going to be a longterm impact LT? I can't say for sure. But what I can say is that with more playing time he is getting better. It's simply the maturation process taking place. For some reason you strenuously resist that process working for Spiller. You want instant ingratification. It usually doesn't work out as quickly as one wants it to work out. I'm confident that in the not too distant future Spiller is going to make a number of big plays. From what I have observed I have seen a greater discipline to his running style. In the few opportunities he has had this year he has produced. That's all you can ask of him. At times it seems you are more invested in his failure in order to support your contention that he was a bad pick. There is no doubt that over the years the organization has made a regular habit of making bad early round picks. I'm very confident that in this case you are going to be proven very wrong that he won't develop into a very good and impactful player for us.
Brandon Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Like you, I hope that CJ can contribute to this football team. As a matter of fact he threw a nice block on a touchdown pass on Sunday. That said, the chances of him even approaching what one would want from a #9 running back are remote at best. Do you think Nix is glad that he made this selection as we speak? Well, I do think Spiller has a bit of an excuse so far this year. He's just not getting opportunities, which says less about how he's playing in this particular case, and instead more about Fred Jackson. Jackson is on pace to have about 2200 yards from scrimmage right now, and with production like that, its going to be difficult for anyone else to get on the field at that position, especially with the defense as bad as it is and the Bills being forced to pass more than run. There's certainly a real possibility he will never live up to expectations, but under the current circumstances, I think its way too early to give up on him.
Bill from NYC Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 [/font] I'm not suggesting that the owner hasn't interfered in prior drafts but I'm confident that he wasn't involved in the two Nix drafts. Wow.....OK. NGU said that Mr. Wilson has been known to interfere. I think that is almost a given. Did he interfere with the Spiller pick? Neither of us know. You are "confident" that he did not. I "suspect" that he did. I don't see a problem with this.
tennesseeboy Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 poierre, pouncey, matthews, davis or Graham would have been better choices given our needs at the time. That is water under the dam. Spiller is what we have and hopefully he will be used to best optimize his talents.
Bill from NYC Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 [/font] You originally wrote off Bell as a LT based on his early playing time. This year he seems to have taken a quantum leap in improvement. Is he going to be a longterm impact LT? I can't say for sure. But what I can say is that with more playing time he is getting better. It's simply the maturation process taking place. For some reason you strenuously resist that process working for Spiller. You want instant ingratification. It usually doesn't work out as quickly as one wants it to work out. This year I have praised Bell week after week. The way things were handled wrt Bell were insane. The kid was green, hurt, smallish, and thrown to the wolves. Not a good place for an NFL team to be at the LT position, wouldn't you say? There was never any question about his agility. Not ever. The question wrt Bell (imo) is whether or not he can get bigger and stronger, and stay healthy. And btw, he does look bigger and better this season. Well, I do think Spiller has a bit of an excuse so far this year. He's just not getting opportunities, which says less about how he's playing in this particular case, and instead more about Fred Jackson. Jackson is on pace to have about 2200 yards from scrimmage right now, and with production like that, its going to be difficult for anyone else to get on the field at that position, especially with the defense as bad as it is and the Bills being forced to pass more than run. There's certainly a real possibility he will never live up to expectations, but under the current circumstances, I think its way too early to give up on him. He absolutely does have an excuse. Fred is tearing up the field. But it is inevitable that Fred will need to rest at some point. I hope that Spiller can make things happen when the time comes.
DrDawkinstein Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) Spiller has looked much improved in his limited touches this season. I've seen him wait for blocks, hit holes hard, and even run through initial contact. Most notably running through a tackle this past week. Anyone knocking the pick needs to realize we are one freak injury away from losing the leading rusher. Spiller is developing. Be happy, you can put the pitchforks down. Go Bills! Edited October 11, 2011 by DrDareustein
ColdBlueNorth Posted October 11, 2011 Author Posted October 11, 2011 poierre, pouncey, matthews, davis or Graham would have been better choices given our needs at the time. That is water under the dam. Spiller is what we have and hopefully he will be used to best optimize his talents. Kind of my take...I am far from giving up on the kid like I was with Maybin who should have had "welcome" printed on the front of his jersey with how often guys ran over him. I never wish any of our players ill, but his hold-out coupled with nothing on the field made me feel much the same way as Wood when he said, "start earning all the money they're pay'n you". Spiller tries hard, and is getting stronger, and to me appears to be adapting to the NFL game - for me the glass is half full with this pick and I am alright with waiting for him to develop behind Jackson.
Billy in 4C Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Guy is averaging like 8 yards per carry... give him a break. Exactly. What are they going to sit Freddy? He is one of the top 3 running backs this season and is in the MVP conversation. Hia best way to contribute this year was going to be on KR and PR with Roscoe out. The NFL took away his value as a kickoff returner.
xsoldier54 Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Yeah.....those 16 yards from scrimmage sure do legitimize using a #9 selection in an NFL draft on him! Seriously, CJ gets a ton of room because he was drafted so high. I understand this. Whitner had supporters til the end as well. Who really wants to face the ugly fact that the team we love so much wasted premium draft picks? Like you, I hope that CJ can contribute to this football team. As a matter of fact he threw a nice block on a touchdown pass on Sunday. That said, the chances of him even approaching what one would want from a #9 running back are remote at best. Do you think Nix is glad that he made this selection as we speak? We never, ever will know, but I will always suspect that this pick was mandateded by Mr. Wilson. The only reason Spiller is not getting more touches or production is because we have Fred Jackson. If you were the coach, would you take Fred out to allow Spiller to produce more? I don't think so. He is a solid back and was a good pick, it's just that Nix and Gailey did not realize what they had in Fred Jackson. Now that they know, Spiller won't get much of a chance. Doesn't mean he doesn't have talent, just a case of wrong place, wrong time. Given a starting job, I have no doubt he would do just fine. I am glad we have him as insurance and to give Fred a breather now and then.
Dorkington Posted October 11, 2011 Posted October 11, 2011 Yeah.....those 16 yards from scrimmage sure do legitimize using a #9 selection in an NFL draft on him! Seriously, CJ gets a ton of room because he was drafted so high. I understand this. Whitner had supporters til the end as well. Who really wants to face the ugly fact that the team we love so much wasted premium draft picks? Like you, I hope that CJ can contribute to this football team. As a matter of fact he threw a nice block on a touchdown pass on Sunday. That said, the chances of him even approaching what one would want from a #9 running back are remote at best. Do you think Nix is glad that he made this selection as we speak? We never, ever will know, but I will always suspect that this pick was mandateded by Mr. Wilson. Point me to anyone who says that Spiller has lived up to his draft pick. You're reaching. That being said... those of us who look at it minus the draft status see a lot to like in how he is running this year. Hopefully he builds on this and becomes productive once Jackson's skills start diminishing.
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