Connecticut Prisoners Express Anger Over Porn Ban

[DaveinElma]

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2011/10/08/connecticut-prisoners-express-anger-over-porn-ban/

 

The department has received about three dozen letters from inmates, many of them form letters, claiming the recently adopted ban violates the inmates’ First Amendment rights. Some of those letters also were sent to The Associated Press.

 

They suggest either lifting the ban or providing inmates with alternatives such as “cable programming that offers and displays nudity, also sexual activity.”

 

[OCinBuffalo]

Are they black prisoners?

[drinkTHEkoolaid]

A disproportionately high amount of blacks are in prison clearly this is a racist thread. Haha I kidd

 

Wtf do these jackasses realize they are in prison not the holiday inn ?

Edited October 11, 2011 by drinkTHEkoolaid

[DaveinElma]

Are they black prisoners?

 

Connecticut is one of the whitest states in the country. I challenge Booster to impute race into this thread.

[Booster4324]

Connecticut is one of the whitest states in the country. I challenge Booster to impute race into this thread.

 

There are twelve times more blacks than whites in their prisons. A far higher rate than say in Mississippi.

[KD in CA]

There are twelve times more blacks than whites in their prisons. A far higher rate than say in Mississippi.

 

 

12 times as many blacks as whites in prison in CT? I don't think so.

 

Probably more like 40% black, 30% Hispanic, 30% white.

[3rdnlng]

There are twelve times more blacks than whites in their prisons. A far higher rate than say in Mississippi.

 

Making **** up again, eh?

 

Prison Population in CT:

 

43.6% Black

27.9% White

27.7% Spanish

 

Overall Population in CT:

 

10.1% Black

71.2% White

13.4% Spanish

 

Regardless of your inaccuracies this thread is another obvious example of racism. Pointing out that blacks are 8 times more likely than whites to want to view porn in prison is a new low for the OP.

[Booster4324]

12 times as many blacks as whites in prison in CT? I don't think so.

 

Probably more like 40% black, 30% Hispanic, 30% white.

 

Yeah I messed that up, misread the chart (shouldn't try posting at work). Still blacks are only 10% of the population and are way over represented as a percentage of the population in the prison. The question is why?

[3rdnlng]

Yeah I messed that up, misread the chart (shouldn't try posting at work). Still blacks are only 10% of the population and are way over represented as a percentage of the population in the prison. The question is why?

 

 

So they can watch porn in prison.

[UConn James]

Yeah I messed that up, misread the chart (shouldn't try posting at work). Still blacks are only 10% of the population and are way over represented as a percentage of the population in the prison. The question is why?

 

Maybe as a response to the fact that they commit crimes?

 

Blacks are over-represented as a percentage of the state legislature too. What should we do about that? How about the state spending roughly twice as much per pupil in inner-city schools compared to rural areas? Why is no one complaining about disproportion there? Anybody who argues that statistics ought to reflect demographics can go shampoo a skunk's ass.

 

BTW --- those statistics are bound to be inaccurate now, as Gov. Dannel Malloy decided to release several thousand prisoners to reduce DOC costs (And yet, his budget managed to increase state general fund spending by $3B over two years. (This despite already being $3.5 in the red)).

[KD in CA]

Yeah I messed that up, misread the chart (shouldn't try posting at work). Still blacks are only 10% of the population and are way over represented as a percentage of the population in the prison. The question is why?

 

Because on average blacks commit more crimes, are prosecuted more vigorously, and sentenced more harshly in comparison to whites. None of which is unique to CT or any other state.

 

Obviously states with a lower % of black population are going to have a higher rate of black incarceration compared to whites when you consider the group overall is more likely to be incarcerated.

[erynthered]

Anybody who argues that statistics ought to reflect demographics can go shampoo a skunk's ass.

 

 

 

BASTARD!! (spit out part of my lunch reading that line)

 

 

:lol:

[IDBillzFan]

Yeah I messed that up, misread the chart (shouldn't try posting at work). Still blacks are only 10% of the population and are way over represented as a percentage of the population in the prison. The question is why?

I think it's because we're not spending enough money on social programs to save them from themselves.

[OCinBuffalo]

I think it's because we're not spending enough money on social programs to save them from themselves.

Well, then, why don't we send Booster there to do their thinking and living for them? He obviously knows better than everyone on this board, especially since he used to be a bartender and "owns" me all the time. While we are at it, let's create a sub-department just for booster at HUD, and allocate him 400 listless employees and a $100 million dollar budget. Then we will really see some results.

 

Does anybody remember when I used to criticize booster? I used to say all he could do was post emoticons, because he wasn't capable of actually arguing a point properly, never mind effectively? Yeah, I was wrong about that all right. DC_Tom's supposed "minion" is to be respected and feared!

 

I am completely tickled that booster chose to take the bait I obviously left above. More evidence of his superior intellect. The only thing missing here is for conner to show up and tell us that the $100 million spent on Booster's sub-department is vital, because it shores up consumer spending. That would make this perfect!

 

[Booster4324]

While we are at it, let's create a sub-department just for booster at HUD, and allocate him 400 listless employees and a $100 million dollar budget. Then we will really see some results.

 

Well with that hypothetical what I would do if I was in a population dense area that had many welfare/unemployment/medicaid beneficiaries is I would set up a brand new system. This is assuming I have total control of course.

 

EBT cards/food stamps/wick/whatever can no longer be redeemed at grocery stores/convenience stores etc. There are too many loopholes and too much inefficiency. Only at these central food stores can they be purchased with whatever benefits they have. Sounds Communist, so you should probably get all excited at this point Ocin.

 

I would set up a series of centers that were fairly geographically convenient in this hypothetical urban sprawl. Only, I would pay a corporation to do it and accept different bids from different companies to try the idea. So I probably just fired 80% of my hypothetical employees. I will keep the 10% that genuinely care and the 10% that are competent. Hopefully there is some overlap there.

 

They (corporations who are interested) all have to submit their proposals for their facility's, but I want something like this (link) at every facility. The center will distribute basic needs (food/replace wick) that the beneficiaries received before, only their choices will be very restricted. I would set up a fair amount of basically neighborhood markets and then a few larger centers that basically were that and a minor med as well.

 

The fruits and vegetables from the link above, some other fruits and vegetables that were seasonally regional shipped in from farms, lean meats, beans, rice ie. a healthy diet would be available. Nothing else, as their would be no chips, candy bars (chocolate can be healthy as are nuts etc so mileage varies) etc.

 

So how did I do?

[OCinBuffalo]

Well with that hypothetical what I would do if I was in a population dense area that had many welfare/unemployment/medicaid beneficiaries is I would set up a brand new system. This is assuming I have total control of course.

You are already wrong. The POTUS doesn't have full control in that area. Before you get out of your government-provided limo, you better pay off the mayor's office or s/he will raise an army against you of screaming assclowns, and every Democratic politician will light up your phone like a Christmas tree, all of them threatening you, for threatening their political base.

EBT cards/food stamps/wick/whatever can no longer be redeemed at grocery stores/convenience stores etc. There are too many loopholes and too much inefficiency. Only at these central food stores can they be purchased with whatever benefits they have. Sounds Communist, so you should probably get all excited at this point Ocin.

Great, and now you have to pay off the local pols with campaign/personal kickbacks, contracts for their people who take too long to under-deliver and want more money, and of course, pay off the garbage people("I assure you it's not the Boy Scouts"), the trade unions, the police and fire, and let's not forget, have to hire the mayor's idiot cousin to run the place. EDIT: And don't forget that she'll hire all her friends, who will attempt to rob you blind.

I would set up a series of centers that were fairly geographically convenient in this hypothetical urban sprawl. Only, I would pay a corporation to do it and accept different bids from different companies to try the idea. So I probably just fired 80% of my hypothetical employees. I will keep the 10% that genuinely care and the 10% that are competent. Hopefully there is some overlap there.

Keep dreaming. The scenario I outlined above is the ONLY way as long as these "new Democrats" are in 100% control of the urban area we are talking about. It sounds like you want to put your center in the suburbs....just like everybody else is doing. What a shocker. Which corporation is going to volunteer to take your place, and get shaken down like I said above?

They (corporations who are interested) all have to submit their proposals for their facility's, but I want something like this (link) at every facility. The center will distribute basic needs (food/replace wick) that the beneficiaries received before, only their choices will be very restricted. I would set up a fair amount of basically neighborhood markets and then a few larger centers that basically were that and a minor med as well.

 

The fruits and vegetables from the link above, some other fruits and vegetables that were seasonally regional shipped in from farms, lean meats, beans, rice ie. a healthy diet would be available. Nothing else, as their would be no chips, candy bars (chocolate can be healthy as are nuts etc so mileage varies) etc.

 

So how did I do?

All you have proven is that you are one more naive suburb kid who has no idea how things really run in the city. Hey, on its face I like your plan. The trouble is: you simply aren't aware of the practical constraints and the inherent barriers to it's success. Feel free to outline contingencies for these constraints. I'm listening. But keep in mind, you have a budget, and, you have political appointee bosses who are not going take kindly to getting a call from the state's party chairman, or worse, that party chairman using this as ammunition against those political appointees.

Edited October 12, 2011 by OCinBuffalo

[Booster4324]

You are already wrong. The POTUS doesn't have full control in that area. Before you get out of your government-provided limo, you better pay off the mayor's office or s/he will raise an army against you of screaming assclowns, and every Democratic politician will light up your phone like a Christmas tree, all of them threatening you, for threatening their political base.

 

Great, and now you have to pay off the local pols with campaign/personal kickbacks, contracts for their people who take too long to under-deliver and want more money, and of course, pay off the garbage people("I assure you it's not the Boy Scouts"), the trade unions, the police and fire, and let's not forget, have to hire the mayor's idiot cousin to run the place. EDIT: And don't forget that she'll hire all her friends, who will attempt to rob you blind.

 

Keep dreaming. The scenario I outlined above is the ONLY way as long as these "new Democrats" are in 100% control of the urban area we are talking about. It sounds like you want to put your center in the suburbs....just like everybody else is doing. What a shocker. Which corporation is going to volunteer to take your place, and get shaken down like I said above?

 

All you have proven is that you are one more naive suburb kid who has no idea how things really run in the city. Hey, on its face I like your plan. The trouble is: you simply aren't aware of the practical constraints and the inherent barriers to it's success. Feel free to outline contingencies for these constraints. I'm listening. But keep in mind, you have a budget, and, you have political appointee bosses who are not going take kindly to getting a call from the state's party chairman, or worse, that party chairman using this as ammunition against those political appointees.

 

I am not talking suburbs, I am talking the heart of an urban metropolis. All your objections are negated by my second sentence. The system is broken and I am proposing something new. If you do not like my new system, fine. If you think it won't work due to system constraints, well why the !@#$ did you think I said I needed total control?

[OCinBuffalo]

I am not talking suburbs, I am talking the heart of an urban metropolis. All your objections are negated by my second sentence. The system is broken and I am proposing something new. If you do not like my new system, fine. If you think it won't work due to system constraints, well why the !@#$ did you think I said I needed total control?

Re-read my post. IF you are talking urban metropolis, then you are talking what I have outlined. Therefore, NONE of my objections are mitigated by your plan, new or otherwise. Typical liberal thinking: you need TOTAL CONTROL in order to get anything done. Well, Obama had TOTAL CONTROL in 2009 and how'd that work out for us?

 

The difference between you and I is: I could actually implement you new idea, because, I'm a good project manager-->Every good project manager knows they will never have full authority over the gig, but will held fully responsible if it fails. The first thing a project manager does after identifying the scope of the gig is identify its dependencies and constraints. You seem to think you can ignore them, because your idea is "new". Again, this is why liberal methodology fails. Something being "new" still has to adapt to the environment in which it is deployed, and must be capable of ongoing change as that environment changes. Something "new" is worthless if it cannot adapt to the old first, and then improve, or expose in some cases, those things around it.

 

Watch me work: taking my reality combined with your idea, you cannot solve the mayor's office problem with the self-delusion that you have total control. Even if you were commissioned by Congress, you'd still have the realities I have defined. Instead, subtlety and cunning is required. Rather than simply paying off the mayor, cut him in for more than he expects...tell him that you are going to let him pick every single employee of your food center and that part of your budget will go to his non-profit(s). Tell him you understand how things work, and that he is right to want to have a lot of control over your food center. After all, it's "his" city. Make sure the offer is too much for him to turn down, and that he sees you are no threat to him. Then, when he's picked his people? Hold a press conference where you give the mayor major credit for helping your food center by suggesting the best employees in the area, thus saving you time, and the city money. Tell the press that you will be releasing monthly reports that prove the efficiency of your food center, so that the mayor's wise leadership skills can quantified.

 

Now, we have people who must do what the mayor says, because they are his people, and, a mayor who must ensure they bust their asses, don't steal, work hard, or it's his ass in the media, because? They are his people. You win either way: the people he picks work out, or, he quietly moves them out of your food center and never bothers you again. Of course either way, you give him consistent public credit for his help, which means he can never bad mouth you or your food center.

 

See? That's how a good PM does the job. I have literally used this tactic twice in real life...substitute division president with "the mayor", and head/corporate office for "the media", and there you go.