Repulsif Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 (edited) in the Pats game. I don't remember exactly when it was, but for sure it was in 1st quarter. Trailing 14, 4th and 14 (18?) at NE 40 (35?), they go for it, Fitz throws long and is intercepted. For me the message was "I don't care of my stats, I just want to win by any means". He could have throw it out of bounds. I just think it was a (yes) smart throw by forcing it. The worst thing that could happen is an int (ok the very worst could be a pick for 6), but even in this case the ball goes back to NE at a further position on the field. I've seen too a teamate putting a tap on his shoulder after that. They knew he was doing his best for a win. A thought about that ? (and please don't start the grammar flamming, english is not my native language) Edited September 30, 2011 by Repulsif
Defend Greece Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Well I kind of agree, my buddy was yelling like it was the stupidest play ever but I thought it was the right call but a bad throw
maryland-bills-fan Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Throwing a couple of deep ones, gives you 2 yards offset from the safeties for the entire game, relative to never airing it out.
West End Stench Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 That was the smart play in that situation. The play was 4th and 14 at NE 35, the pass was intercepted by Arrington at the NE 20, and returned to the NE 30. If the pass is incomplete, the Pats get the ball at their own 35 instead of their own 30. Besides getting a first down, or a reception between the NE 30 and 20 (Turnover on downs), this was maybe the third best outcome of this play, where throwing the ball out of bounds or grounding it would have been boneheaded. 90% of the time when you draw up a play like that on 4th down, you force the issue down the field.
Albany,n.y. Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 He could have throw it out of bounds. Only Drew Bledsoe throws it out of bounds on 4th down, and only a dumb DB catches it deeper downfield on 4th down.
Big Turk Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Maybe, but Edwards one ups him by running out of bounds without even attempting a throw because he was afraid of throwing an INT on 4th and game over...
Nostradamus Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 I think the OP brings up a good point. One thing that this team has going for them is they are all gamers, football players in the truest sense of the word. Consider: 1. Donald Jones. Going back to that game saving play against the Raiders, Jones showed as much effort to break up the pass as most receivers would to catch a ball in the endzone. Lee Evans does NOT make that play. 2. Fred Jackson. He puts as much effort in lead blocking and picking up a blitz as most RB's do to find the endzone on a fourth and goal. 3. Fitzy. He did make the tackle on the first INT, where Marcia stood back and watched Florence run into the endzone. Maybe the explanation for why the Bills have bucked the oddsmakers and got off to a 3-0 start is simpler than anyone can imagine. Maybe the Bills just try a little bit harder than their opponents.
Meark Posted September 30, 2011 Posted September 30, 2011 Maybe, but Edwards one ups him by running out of bounds without even attempting a throw because he was afraid of throwing an INT on 4th and game over... UG.. why did you have to bring that up.. One of the most frustrating plays in recent history..
John from Riverside Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 I though we should have kicked the long field goal.... But I get it....it is time to start changing the mentality of this team.....dont settle.....go for the win not the tie or playing not to lose
muffmonster Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 UG.. why did you have to bring that up.. One of the most frustrating plays in recent history.. Umm yeah old memories that should not be brought up. How far we have come.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 Only Drew Bledsoe throws it out of bounds on 4th down, and only a dumb DB catches it deeper downfield on 4th down. Maybe, but Edwards one ups him by running out of bounds without even attempting a throw because he was afraid of throwing an INT on 4th and game over... On 3 occasions that I vividly remember, Rob Johnson was flushed from the pocket and ran out of bounds for a loss of yardage… this was after the NFL changed the intentional grounding rule and thus allowed QBs to throw the ball away when they were outside "the tackle box" as long as the ball reached the line of scrimmage. Bone-headed, stat-conscious moron.
Trader Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 I think the OP brings up a good point. One thing that this team has going for them is they are all gamers, football players in the truest sense of the word. Consider: 1. Donald Jones. Going back to that game saving play against the Raiders, Jones showed as much effort to break up the pass as most receivers would to catch a ball in the endzone. Lee Evans does NOT make that play. 2. Fred Jackson. He puts as much effort in lead blocking and picking up a blitz as most RB's do to find the endzone on a fourth and goal. 3. Fitzy. He did make the tackle on the first INT, where Marcia stood back and watched Florence run into the endzone. Maybe the explanation for why the Bills have bucked the oddsmakers and got off to a 3-0 start is simpler than anyone can imagine. Maybe the Bills just try a little bit harder than their opponents. Do you want Fitzpatrick at 3-0 making tackles? If he goes down for the season would you still applaud his decision? Brady did the smart thing the Pats are still in the hunt for the playoffs. If Brady goes down the Pats are in the same spot as the Colts.
vincec Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 That play reeked of panic. The right call would've been field goal, IMO. It's the first quarter. Get on the scoreboard. That kick is within Lindell's range. If it was 4th and 5 then maybe go for it, but the percentages on 4th and 14 are so low.
Repulsif Posted October 1, 2011 Author Posted October 1, 2011 That play reeked of panic. The right call would've been field goal, IMO. It's the first quarter. Get on the scoreboard. That kick is within Lindell's range. If it was 4th and 5 then maybe go for it, but the percentages on 4th and 14 are so low. From the NE35, how long is the kick ? is it a 52 yarder ? How are the odds for Lindell at that distance ? (it's a true question)
Albany,n.y. Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 From the NE35, how long is the kick ? is it a 52 yarder ? How are the odds for Lindell at that distance ? (it's a true question) He's 18 for 33, 54.5 % on FG attempts >/= 50 yards.
Fixxxer Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 Only Drew Bledsoe throws it out of bounds on 4th down, and only a dumb DB catches it deeper downfield on 4th down. Exhibit B: Nate Clements against the Jags in the 2004 season opener. Going for the INT instead of batting down a 4th down pass. Classic Nate, playing for himself, hope we see the same from him this Sunday.
wonderbread Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 (edited) Exhibit B: Nate Clements against the Jags in the 2004 season opener. Going for the INT instead of batting down a 4th down pass. Classic Nate, playing for himself, hope we see the same from him this Sunday. Well in Nate's defense he did get paid. Maybe in the grand scheme of things he was looking out for himself or just caught up in the moment. Hard to say either way. To bad Twittner isn't on the Bengals I would have loved seeing him against the Bills. Edited October 1, 2011 by wonderbread
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 That play reeked of panic. The right call would've been field goal, IMO. It's the first quarter. Get on the scoreboard. That kick is within Lindell's range. If it was 4th and 5 then maybe go for it, but the percentages on 4th and 14 are so low. It's what, a 42 yard field goal? Lindell is about 60% in that range. So there's a 30% chance we give the Pats the ball on our 42 yd line. Making a long pass attempt to convert, essentially was like a short punt. The ball was intercepted on the 20 yrd line, except by a DB rather than a return specialist. There's a chance we could have converted, and if we'd tackled a bit better it would potentially have come out better than a punt. You might disagree with the call, but it hardly "reeked of panic." It's outside the box football, taking a calculated risk (fumbled snap or sack would have been bad), and sending a message "get ready, 'cuz the Bills aren't going to color between the lines any more."
DrDawkinstein Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 Only Drew Bledsoe throws it out of bounds on 4th down, and only a dumb DB catches it deeper downfield on 4th down. This is it. Basically it was a punt, but a punt with a chance of keeping the ball. We were juuuust outside FG range, but too close for Moorman to boot one. Go for it on 4th, and put the ball up. We make the 1st, great. An INT in that situation is better than no one catching it. It was a SMART call by Gailey AND Fitz. Two guys who know situational football and how to apply it on gameday. They put us in a win-win situation and made the best out of a 4th down. Good call! It's what, a 42 yard field goal? Lindell is about 60% in that range. So there's a 30% chance we give the Pats the ball on our 42 yd line. 52 yarder, so your point is even stronger.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 1, 2011 Posted October 1, 2011 He's 18 for 33, 54.5 % on FG attempts >/= 50 yards. don tlike those odds in that situation. At that point NE was moving the ball at will. So you had a 50/50 chance of giving them the ball at the 42. No thanks, liked the call, and liked Fitz saying "F it, i am gonna put it in play and hope MY guys get it".
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