TravelingDad48 Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Someone posted the fact the Bills have beat some "poor" teams and how had others done against the same teams .. so looking at the AFC east In the AFC east - the Bills, Jets and Pats are each 3-0 against the NFC - Miami is 2-2 .. so thats 11-2 ... not to bad ! NE Thu 9/9 Indianapolis W 27-24 Sun 9/19 at Arizona W 23-12 Sun 10/3 at Buffalo W 31-17 Sun 10/10 Miami W 24-10 Sun 10/17 Seattle W 30-20 Sun 10/24 NY Jets W 13-7 Sun 10/31 at Pittsburgh L 20-34 Sun 11/7 at St. Louis W 40-22 Sun 11/14 Buffalo W 29-6 Mon 11/22 at Kansas City W 27-19 Sun 11/28 Baltimore W 24-3 Sun 12/5 at Cleveland W 42-15 Sun 12/12 Cincinnati W 35-28 Mon 12/20 at Miami L 28-29 Jets Sun 9/12 Cincinnati W 31-24 Sun 9/19 at San Diego W 34-28 Sun 10/3 at Miami W 17-9 Sun 10/10 Buffalo W 16-14 Sun 10/17 San Francisco W 22-14 Sun 10/24 at New England L 7-13 Mon 11/1 Miami W 41-14 Sun 11/7 at Buffalo L 17-22 Sun 11/14 Baltimore L 17-20 Sun 11/21 at Cleveland W 10-7 Sun 11/28 at Arizona W 13-3 Sun 12/5 Houston W 29-7 Sun 12/12 at Pittsburgh L 6-17 Sun 12/19 Seattle W 37-14 Buffalo Sun 9/12 Jacksonville L 10-13 Sun 9/19 at Oakland L 10-13 Sun 10/3 New England L 17-31 Sun 10/10 at NY Jets L 14-16 Sun 10/17 Miami W 20-13 Sun 10/24 at Baltimore L 6-20 Sun 10/31 Arizona W 38-14 Sun 11/7 NY Jets W 22-17 Sun 11/14 at New England L 6-29 Sun 11/21 St. Louis W 37-17 Sun 11/28 at Seattle W 38-9 Sun 12/5 at Miami W 42-32 Sun 12/12 Cleveland W 37-7 Sun 12/19 at Cincinnati W 33-17 So teams in common - and their key games Baltimore Sun 9/12 at Cleveland L 3-20 Sun 9/19 Pittsburgh W 30-13 Sun 9/26 at Cincinnati W 23-9 Sun 10/24 Buffalo W 20-6 Sun 11/7 Cleveland W 27-13 Sun 11/14 at NY Jets W 20-17 Sun 11/28 at New England L 3-24 Sun 12/5 Cincinnati L 26-27 Buffalo beat Cleveland and Cincinnati - while Baltimore lost to both ... they both beat the Jets .. and both lost to NE badly ... Arizona Sun 9/19 New England L 12-23 Sun 10/24 Seattle W 25-17 Sun 10/31 at Buffalo L 14-38 Sun 11/7 at Miami W 24-23 Sun 11/28 NY Jets L 3-13 Sun 12/19 St. Louis W 31-7 Everyone beats Arizona ... and the ones they beat so did Buffalo St. Louis Sun 9/12 Arizona W 17-10 Sun 10/3 at San Francisco W 24-14 Sun 10/10 at Seattle W 33-27 Sun 10/24 at Miami L 14-31 Sun 11/7 New England L 22-40 Sun 11/14 Seattle W 23-12 Sun 11/21 at Buffalo L 17-37 Sun 12/5 San Francisco W 16-6 Buffalo beat them as badly as NE and Miami did ...and Jets close with them Pittsburgh Sun 9/26 at Miami W 13-3 Sun 10/3 Cincinnati W 28-17 Sun 10/10 Cleveland W 34-23 Sun 10/31 New England W 34-20 Sun 11/7 Philadelphia W 27-3 Sun 11/14 at Cleveland W 24-10 Sun 11/21 at Cincinnati W 19-14 Sun 12/5 at Jacksonville W 17-16 Sun 12/12 NY Jets W 17-6 Pittsburgh beat Jacksonville by 1, cincinnati by 4, cleveland by 11, Miami by 10 ... nothing great about any of that ... in fact except for Philly by 24 ... most are really close games Seattle Sun 9/26 San Francisco W 34-0 Sun 10/10 St. Louis L 27-33 Sun 10/17 at New England L 20-30 Sun 10/24 at Arizona L 17-25 Sun 11/7 at San Francisco W 42-27 Sun 11/14 at St. Louis L 12-23 Sun 11/21 Miami W 24-17 Sun 11/28 Buffalo L 9-38 Sun 12/19 at NY Jets L 14-37 Seattle was beat by NY, Buffalo and NE by about the same .. and was beat by Seattle and Arizona .. teams Buffalo beat So what I see is that Buffalo has done as well or better than other AFC east teams against the same opponents ... and with just the stupid play in the first game and the refs at Oakland .. would be 10-4 - and everyone would be thrilled ! Comments????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajzepp Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Nice job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 I don't understand...this post isn't about cowbell or some old bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 I posted that question earlier today. Thanks for doing the work. I was going to do it but work got busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingDad48 Posted December 21, 2004 Author Share Posted December 21, 2004 I was suprised on some of the scores ... just goes to show that given the right matchups, someone being hurt, someone being hot, at home or away ... anyone can beat anyone ... Bet if you looked at who has beaten Pittsburgh .. you could follow it down to Sf being better !!! LOL .. and we know THAT not true ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven in MD Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 Not sure I understand the wild card.....seems like both Baltimore and Jax have the tie breaker over us, so we need to have a better record than both those teams. Looks like the only team we have the tie breaker over is the Jets. We have it over Denver too, but looks like they are not in the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingDad48 Posted December 21, 2004 Author Share Posted December 21, 2004 Wild card is easy .. we need one more win than teh 3 teams we are tied with .. otherwise we lose ... as simple as that .. we have to go 2-0 .. and they need to lose a game each .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingDad48 Posted December 22, 2004 Author Share Posted December 22, 2004 Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyebrian Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 Nice job on the stats - so, will the Bills cover against the 40-whiners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingDad48 Posted December 22, 2004 Author Share Posted December 22, 2004 I think so .... but with no running attack ... means more passing ... and SF has a ok pass defense ... will be a battle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike formerly in SoFlo Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 So what I see is that Buffalo has done as well or better than other AFC east teams against the same opponents ... and with just the stupid play in the first game and the refs at Oakland .. would be 10-4 - and everyone would be thrilled ! Comments????? 172034[/snapback] Nice post, but certainly "ref" deserves a descriptive word next to it such as...asswipes, conspirators, pussies, incompetents, Tag's twits? Can we have someone kill one just for good times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 The analysis makes sense to me in describing reality particularly when combined with our head to head and tiebreakers against other teams. They beat us in the games we played against them, but given the any give Sunday nature of the NFL, the fact is a long season, and that teams produce in streaks based on a zillion factors (injuries and momentum as they suddenly or don't become a TEAM) there is more to making judgments about a season than simple head-to-head match-ups. Head-to-head does count a lot, but even losses here can be overcome if a team does so well against other teams and in particular common opponents that they can get by that head-to-head loss. If Jax turns out to be bad enough that it loses at home to either Houston or Oakland and the Bills turn out to be good enough to win 7 in a row then it strikes me as more than reasonable that the Bills are more deserving of a playoff spot than this hapless Jax team which actually beat us head-to-head based on a series of unlikely plays we never should have given them. The amazing thing about the Bills is that if they should somehow make the playoffs, they will have pulled off this trick with not only Jax, but likely Denver and Baltimore. It will be true if this happens that the Bills pulled off their part with a series of wins against teams with losing records, but so what as the teams that they would have beaten out deserve post-season glory even less. For folks who want to focus on the records of our opponents and claim that this team beat a series of bad team (and ultimately it will probably also have to happen that they happened to face a good team Pitts taking the week off) are going to have to ignore the fact that Jax, Balt and Denver deserve the playoffs even less than this Bills teams if the three pull the el foldo the next two weeks (as I fully expect Denver and Baltimore to do and Jax shouldn't but might do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven in MD Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 The analysis makes sense to me in describing reality particularly when combined with our head to head and tiebreakers against other teams. They beat us in the games we played against them, but given the any give Sunday nature of the NFL, the fact is a long season, and that teams produce in streaks based on a zillion factors (injuries and momentum as they suddenly or don't become a TEAM) there is more to making judgments about a season than simple head-to-head match-ups. Head-to-head does count a lot, but even losses here can be overcome if a team does so well against other teams and in particular common opponents that they can get by that head-to-head loss. If Jax turns out to be bad enough that it loses at home to either Houston or Oakland and the Bills turn out to be good enough to win 7 in a row then it strikes me as more than reasonable that the Bills are more deserving of a playoff spot than this hapless Jax team which actually beat us head-to-head based on a series of unlikely plays we never should have given them. The amazing thing about the Bills is that if they should somehow make the playoffs, they will have pulled off this trick with not only Jax, but likely Denver and Baltimore. It will be true if this happens that the Bills pulled off their part with a series of wins against teams with losing records, but so what as the teams that they would have beaten out deserve post-season glory even less. For folks who want to focus on the records of our opponents and claim that this team beat a series of bad team (and ultimately it will probably also have to happen that they happened to face a good team Pitts taking the week off) are going to have to ignore the fact that Jax, Balt and Denver deserve the playoffs even less than this Bills teams if the three pull the el foldo the next two weeks (as I fully expect Denver and Baltimore to do and Jax shouldn't but might do). 173330[/snapback] Bottom line is that it is not how many loses you have, but who you lost to. The losses to Jax and Baltimore leave us with NO chance of getting a wild card over them unless we have a better record. No matter how good the Bills play the remainder of the year, we still need help from other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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