Doc Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 All Chandler has going for him hes 6'7 263 with sun dial speed. Raiders have shutdown the top Safeties in the the Afc West and Chandler is a big downgrade to them. Raiders have LB that aren't even good that I would let them cover Chandler all game. Why even waste a safety on him. He's got great size, good hands,runs good routes, is a good blocker, and runs a 4.79, which while not blazing, is pretty good for a TE, and especially a guy his size. The Raiders will have a problem covering him because their safeties are too small and their LB's are weak in coverage.
Doc Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) All Chandler has going for him hes 6'7 263 with sun dial speed. Raiders have shutdown the top Safeties in the the Afc West and Chandler is a big downgrade to them. Raiders have LB that aren't even good that I would let them cover Chandler all game. Why even waste a safety on him. He's got great size, good hands,runs good routes, is a good blocker, and runs a 4.79, which while not blazing, is pretty good for a TE, and especially a guy his size. The Raiders will have a problem covering him. Edited September 17, 2011 by Doc
Raiderjoe Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) He's got great size, good hands,runs good routes, is a good blocker, and runs a 4.79, which while not blazing, is pretty good for a TE, and especially a guy his size. The Raiders will have a problem covering him because their safeties are too small and their LB's are weak in coverage. Again Raiders have faced the top Tes in the NFL(A Gates etc) and if they can handle them they can hndle a one game star in Chandler. IF just size was requirement raiders would just play their OT Bruce Campbell at TE 6'6 315 4.75 with 36 arm wingspan. Again I don't see chandler being a Problem anywhere whether its near the goalline or anywhere. Raiders Lb that aren't even good wlb Q Groves 6'3 265 4.4 something I would let him cover him all game. OR Even just pass rushing specialist Trevor Scott 6'5 255 . I really think your overhyping a guy who had one catch in three year in the league. (before last week game) What did he gain four inches in the offseason. He always had that height and has bounced around alot of Nfl teams. No safety in the history of the NFL can effectively cover a 6'7" TE. Heck - few players in the NBA could effectively cover him. The question is can he make the plays? Raiders Te kevin Boss goes 6'6 and the reason he so more effective than Chandler he has speed to challenge a secondary, Too fast for Lbs and safetys and too big for Cbs. All Chandler has is height and that can only take you so far. He is not going to be that effective. I severly think you are overrating Scott Chandler. He a journeyman Te for a reason and you want that position addressed take care of it in next year draft. Like you did with Marcel Dareus. (great pick) Btw you do know that most Tes are 6'5 so your really grasping for straws that a safety ca't covera Te with that size. Edited September 17, 2011 by Raiderjoe
Alaska Darin Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 The Raiders must be the best 2-8 team outside of their division in the history of football. They have the "explosive and consistent" Jason Campbell at QB, virtually no healthy receivers, all of these amazing secondary players even without Asomugha, an improving OLine even without blown first rounder Robert Gallery, are better at TE even after replacing Zach Miller with the always injured Boss, etc. How in the world can they not win any games outside the worst division in football? Oh, because they're an average team that barely held on to a huge road lead against a bad Denver team last week. Do everyone a favor and STFU, homer. What you're seeing isn't anywhere close to reality.
3rdand12 Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) Again Raiders have faced the top Tes in the NFL(A Gates etc) and if they can handle them they can hndle a one game star in Chandler. IF just size was requirement raiders would just play their OT Bruce Campbell at TE 6'6 315 4.75 with 36 arm wingspan. Again I don't see chandler being a Problem anywhere whether its near the goalline or anywhere. Raiders Lb that aren't even good wlb Q Groves 6'3 265 4.4 something I would let him cover him all game. OR Even just pass rushing specialist Trevor Scott 6'5 255 . I really think your overhyping a guy who had one catch in three year in the league. (before last week game) What did he gain four inches in the offseason. He always had that height and has bounced around alot of Nfl teams. Raiders Te kevin Boss goes 6'6 and the reason he so more effective than Chandler he has speed to challenge a secondary, Too fast for Lbs and safetys and too big for Cbs. All Chandler has is height and that can only take you so far. He is not going to be that effective. I severly think you are overrating Scott Chandler. He a journeyman Te for a reason and you want that position addressed take care of it in next year draft. Like you did with Marcel Dareus. (great pick) Btw you do know that most Tes are 6'5 so your really grasping for straws that a safety ca't covera Te with that size. Chandler had a good game, he looked capable but he is no secret weapon. I imagine KC was surprised that we even had a te who might catch a ball or four or five. I imagine Raiders will pay more attention to him. This could be a weekend for Parrish, Spiller and Smith. As i look deeper into Sundays it could be a game in the trenches of two big nasties having at it. I said before it would be up to our defense which i still feel. But now i believe it will be front 3,4,5 getting push with Barnett/Byrd spying Daryl McDonalds out of raiders backfield. Edited September 17, 2011 by 3rdand12
Doc Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Again Raiders have faced the top Tes in the NFL(A Gates etc) and if they can handle them they can hndle a one game star in Chandler. IF just size was requirement raiders would just play their OT Bruce Campbell at TE 6'6 315 4.75 with 36 arm wingspan. Again I don't see chandler being a Problem anywhere whether its near the goalline or anywhere. Raiders Lb that aren't even good wlb Q Groves 6'3 265 4.4 something I would let him cover him all game. OR Even just pass rushing specialist Trevor Scott 6'5 255 . I really think your overhyping a guy who had one catch in three year in the league. (before last week game) What did he gain four inches in the offseason. He always had that height and has bounced around alot of Nfl teams. Raiders Te kevin Boss goes 6'6 and the reason he so more effective than Chandler he has speed to challenge a secondary, Too fast for Lbs and safetys and too big for Cbs. All Chandler has is height and that can only take you so far. He is not going to be that effective. I severly think you are overrating Scott Chandler. He a journeyman Te for a reason and you want that position addressed take care of it in next year draft. Like you did with Marcel Dareus. (great pick) Btw you do know that most Tes are 6'5 so your really grasping for straws that a safety ca't covera Te with that size. Boss and Chandler are both 6'7" and ran a 4.78 at the Combine. But Boss has bad hands (dropped 11 passes on 46 targets last year) and is still gimpy. And I don't know where you get the idea that the Raiders "handled" the TE's in the AFC West last year. Gates had 11 catches for 165 yards and 2 TD's against them and Moeaki caught 6 passes for 63 yards in the first game. At best they "handled" Moeaki in the 2nd game, as he was held to 1 catch for 17 yards.
Defend Greece Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 From the "Fan Friday" section of Chris Brown's blog on bb.com: 2 - Hi Chris, just wanted to know if you know what Donald Jones’ time was in the 40-yard dash? Lee Evans was a burner, and if the Bills are hoping to replace Evans, they better hope that one of those young receivers can at least be a speedy as Evans was. If the Bills lack a vertical threat, the opposing defenses will not respect our passing game as much. I will look forward to hearing your answer. Tony, Daytona Beach, FL CB: Coming out of college, Jones was clocked at 4.49 in the 40. That’s above average speed and a player like that is capable of making plays downfield. Eric Moulds ran a 4.51 coming out of Mississippi State, and you remember the downfield plays he made in his career with Buffalo. Evans ran a 4.41. --------------------- Not drawing any conclusions here; I just found those details interesting. Chris brown is wrong, moulds was in the 4.4s I remember plain as day Also lee was a sub 4.4 guy who wasn't 100% at the combine, trust me jones is not as fast as evens regardless of what Chris brown says Chandler had a good game, he looked capable but he is no secret weapon. I imagine KC was surprised that we even had a te who might catch a ball or four or five. I imagine Raiders will pay more attention to him. This could be a weekend for Parrish, Spiller and Smith. As i look deeper into Sundays it could be a game in the trenches of two big nasties having at it. I said before it would be up to our defense which i still feel. But now i believe it will be front 3,4,5 getting push with Barnett/Byrd spying Daryl McDonalds out of raiders backfield. Who the !@#$ is Daryl mcdonalds
Bump Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) Boss and Chandler are both 6'7" and ran a 4.78 at the Combine. But Boss has bad hands (dropped 11 passes on 46 targets last year) and is still gimpy. And I don't know where you get the idea that the Raiders "handled" the TE's in the AFC West last year. Gates had 11 catches for 165 yards and 2 TD's against them and Moeaki caught 6 passes for 63 yards in the first game. At best they "handled" Moeaki in the 2nd game, as he was held to 1 catch for 17 yards. Kevin Boss ran a 4.66 at his Pro Day though... Edited September 17, 2011 by Bump
JStranger76 Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Boss and Chandler have almost exactly the same size and skillset, which is why I am glad the Bills didn't pursue him in free agency, it would have been a waste. Boss isn't any more effective than Chandler, they are almost exactly the same player.
Defend Greece Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Boss and Chandler have almost exactly the same size and skillset, which is why I am glad the Bills didn't pursue him in free agency, it would have been a waste. Boss isn't any more effective than Chandler, they are almost exactly the same player. Chandler is a better blocker
Bump Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Boss and Chandler have almost exactly the same size and skillset, which is why I am glad the Bills didn't pursue him in free agency, it would have been a waste. Boss isn't any more effective than Chandler, they are almost exactly the same player. Yea, aside from 16 TD's, a Super Bowl ring, 40 catches and 1500+ yards.... they are pretty much EXACTLY the same player Chandler is a better blocker and you're basing this on??? Have you ever seen Boss play and really broke down his blocking? Does Boss' reputation as a dominating blocker come out of nowhere?
Doc Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Kevin Boss ran a 4.66 at his Pro Day though... I have 4.71 at his pro day. Although pro days don't mean much as the Combine numbers (unless they can't workout at the Combine) since all the prospects have to perform under the same conditions at the Combine.
JStranger76 Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Bump, Boss has been playing, Chandler has been behind Gates and Witten. They have taken different paths, but yeah, they are basically the same player. Like I said, barring injury, I guarantee Chandler at least matches Boss's best statistical season, if not surpass it, which he is already on pace to do. Also, Boss only has a rep as a dominating blocker by a few TE starved posters here, not in reality. He gets the job done, but dominating he is not.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 All Chandler has going for him hes 6'7 263 with sun dial speed. Raiders have shutdown the top Safeties in the the Afc West and Chandler is a big downgrade to them. Raiders have LB that aren't even good that I would let them cover Chandler all game. Why even waste a safety on him. I like your game plan, Sir. I hope Raiders coaches take heed to your sage advice. Who are your linebackers? McClain, Wimbley, and who? Be sure to put "who" on Chandler. And how dare you say the Raiders have linebackers that aren't even good? Aren't you forgetting that all of the Raiders players are splendid and none of the Bills players match up to them? Your Wr's would lose a relay Race to Raiders secondary . Ah, Sir .......I think you may have missed a Left turn to Daegu, South Korea coming off the Bay bridge into Oakland. You're also about 3 weeks too late for the T&F championships. On Sunday in Orchard Park, the game played will be Football. Relay race results are really quite quite irrelevant.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Bump, Boss has been playing, Chandler has been behind Gates and Witten. They have taken different paths, but yeah, they are basically the same player. Like I said, barring injury, I guarantee Chandler at least matches Boss's best statistical season, if not surpass it, which he is already on pace to do. Also, Boss only has a rep as a dominating blocker by a few TE starved posters here, not in reality. He gets the job done, but dominating he is not. To say that Chandler was behind Gates and Witten is really a stretch and misleading, since he was behind the guy behind Gates and the guy behind the guy behind Gates. He was also behind the guy behind Witten and behind the guy behind the guy behind Witten who just got cut. Boss's reputation as a receiver is the part of his game that is overrated. he's known everywhere as a very good blocker. Google Kevin Boss and blocker. 90% of them will mention him as a very good blocker, whether national publication, stat site, scouting report, or some blogger in a basement. Chandler is a decent blocker to me. Probably as good a receiver as Boss but he probably can't stretch the field as much. He's certainly the best TE the Bills have had in a long time, which isn't saying much, but should help this offense a lot.
justnzane Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 Chris brown is wrong, moulds was in the 4.4s I remember plain as day Also lee was a sub 4.4 guy who wasn't 100% at the combine, trust me jones is not as fast as evens regardless of what Chris brown says Who the !@#$ is Daryl mcdonalds You are correct on all 3 counts there. Especially as the drag racer pointed out there is a difference of speed at different points. Fact of the matter is that a burner such as former Raider James Jett can have awful hands, poor routes, and not enough agility to shake off a good corner. All Chandler has going for him hes 6'7 263 with sun dial speed. Raiders have shutdown the top Safeties in the the Afc West and Chandler is a big downgrade to them. Raiders have LB that aren't even good that I would let them cover Chandler all game. Why even waste a safety on him. Your Wr's would lose a relay Race to Raiders secondary . S Routt 4.28 C Johnson 4.3 Tyvon Branch 4.41 M Huff 4.38 Wr Jacoby Ford 4.28 DHB- 4.3 Chaz Schilens 4.38 D Moore 4.38 5. L Murphy 4.4 As the Raiders continuously show time and time again, athletic specimens can only get you so far. When push comes to shove, the real question is can they play the game. It is to the point that Raider scouts will add time to a players 40 if they think the player is a bad investment as Crazy Al may draft a sprinter to play WR.
3rdand12 Posted September 17, 2011 Posted September 17, 2011 "Who the !@#$ is Daryl mcdonalds" <defend greece Oops i meant run DMC or that other Mike in the Bushes fellow sorry. we stop those two, we stop the raiders.
Big Turk Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 The Raiders have basically well, zero threats in the passing game. The game is gonna come down to a few things. 1) Can the Bills put the Raiders in 3rd and long. If they can, we will likely win the game as their ability to convert thru the air is suspect at best. 2) Can the Bills force the Raiders into covering 4 and 5 receiver sets and force them out of what they like to do, which is rush the passer. Gailey is a pretty adept coach at creating mismatches somewhere on the field, so I would look for a WR lined up on a safety, an RB on a LB or a WR on a LB.... I think the Raiders are a decent team, but they are nowhere near the great team some are making them out to be...
Defend Greece Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 "Who the !@#$ is Daryl mcdonalds" <defend greece Oops i meant run DMC or that other Mike in the Bushes fellow sorry. we stop those two, we stop the raiders. I know just kiddin
3rdand12 Posted September 18, 2011 Posted September 18, 2011 thank goodness some one understands my discombulations!
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