Dorkington Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) Impressive stats for sure, but you left out the most important-Wins and Losses. Not saying he can win or lose all by himself by any means, but he did have at least a few games in crunch time when he threw terrible passes. He also had at least one that is fresh in everyone's memory, where he should have one more win than he does, but his receiver let him down. He has produced more than most thought he could, but the Bills were right at the top in turnovers, which can be a game changer over and over. I think his wins and losses are trending in the right direction. Looks like something "clicked" with the team/Ryan/whatever in terms of win/losses half way through the year last year, and has been on an ok trend since then. Is Fitzpatrick throwing up HOF numbers/wins? Not at the moment. But I don't think we have anyone else on the roster who would be taking this team in the right direction. Edit: If we use only Chan era starts, we get this: Edited September 14, 2011 by Dorkington
billsfreak Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I think his wins and losses are trending in the right direction. Looks like something "clicked" with the team/Ryan/whatever in terms of win/losses half way through the year last year, and has been on an ok trend since then. Is Fitzpatrick throwing up HOF numbers/wins? Not at the moment. But I don't think we have anyone else on the roster who would be taking this team in the right direction. There is no question he is the best option on this roster at QB, in fact the way Thigpen played in the preseason he is the only option. I like Fitz, he will never be a QB that carries a team on his back to a winning season, but with a decent team around him, coupled with good game plans, there is no telling what he can accomplish.
Dorkington Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 The Bills are 5-3 in his last 8 starts, including the SJ loss to Pittsburgh. Is he great? No.. but a 5-3(6-2) record over the last 8 starts tells me he and this team are heading in the right direction (at least if we win this weekend )
papazoid Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 288-491 (58.6%) 3541 yards 31 Tds and 16 ints Three 4 TD games in that span Yes I know there were a few stinker games in there, but 31 TDs from our QB and 3500 yards? Thats a damn fine season especially if he can cut down on INTs at that pace (30 td's/season) it's time for Jerry Sullivan to run down Hertel Ave in his underwear.
BobChalmers Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 Impressive stats for sure, but you left out the most important-Wins and Losses. Not saying he can win or lose all by himself by any means, but he did have at least a few games in crunch time when he threw terrible passes. He also had at least one that is fresh in everyone's memory, where he should have one more win than he does, but his receiver let him down. He has produced more than most thought he could, but the Bills were right at the top in turnovers, which can be a game changer over and over. ARGGHHHHHHH GOOD QB = WINS = GOOD QB == WINS = BLAH BLAH BLAH I HATE THAT ARGUMENT!!!! QB is the single most important position, but it's not even close to 50% of the total.
billsfreak Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 ARGGHHHHHHH GOOD QB = WINS = GOOD QB == WINS = BLAH BLAH BLAH I HATE THAT ARGUMENT!!!! QB is the single most important position, but it's not even close to 50% of the total. Ask Indianapolis Colts fans if they agree with you.
The Cincinnati Kid Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 You have to judge a QB on his play and his play only. If you are playing for a coach that has a horrible gameplan or a team with an awful defense and you lose but the QB went 22-29 for 308 yds 2TDs and 0 turnovers, is he a bum? Ask Indianapolis Colts fans if they agree with you. The Colts were build around Peyton Manning and what he does well. The defense is built to play pass coverage and rush the QB because Peyton gives them the lead. The offense was built to his strengths over the course of his career. He and the Colts are in a different boat than most teams in the NFL. They had a luxury with Peyton and exploited it. They are in a very unique situation.
Wooderson Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I think there are few variables that COULD make a huge difference to Fitzy's production this year. 1. Being proclaimed the starter from the end of last year and having all of offseason, training camp, and preseason to get prepared for the season. He's no longer looking over his shoulder worrying about screwing up and having his job taken away. This gives him more confidence entering the season and allows him to be more aggressive with his young receivers. 2. Continuity under Gailey and the offense in general. No new head coach or system that needed to be altered. Remember, last year was a new head coach and he was still getting used to his receivers, Oline, coach, and system. 3. New relationship with Gailey. I think Fitz and Gailey have a really good relationship going into this season, they understand what each wants and what needs to be done. Gailey has said that he only has to tell Fitz something one time and he understands what he wants and can accomplish it right away. This quick learning and understanding between the two can create great chemistry. Now I'm not saying Fitzpatrick is gonna go right out and be a elite QB, but I think these changes from last year will definitely improve Fitz and the offense and move things in the right direction.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 2008 Cincinnati Bengals: Fitzpatrick won-lost record as starter: 4-7-1 Carson Palmer won-lost record as starter: 0-3 Jordan Palmer won-lost record as starter: 0-1 2009 Buffalo Bills Fitzpatrick won-lost record as starter: 4-4 Trent Edwards won-lost record as starter: 2-5 Brian Brohm won-lost record as starter: 0-1 Fitzpatrick won-lost record as starter in 2008-09: 8-11-1 Other QBs on same teams won lost record as starter: 2-10
Dorkington Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 2008 Cincinnati Bengals: Fitzpatrick won-lost record as starter: 4-7-1 Carson Palmer won-lost record as starter: 0-3 Jordan Palmer won-lost record as starter: 0-1 2009 Buffalo Bills Fitzpatrick won-lost record as starter: 4-4 Trent Edwards won-lost record as starter: 2-5 Brian Brohm won-lost record as starter: 0-1 Fitzpatrick won-lost record as starter in 2008-09: 8-11-1 Other QBs on same teams won lost record as starter: 2-10 This is actually quite telling.
Alphadawg7 Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 (edited) Right! and I can play that game too. 8 of his turnovers were in only 2 games. Why can't you just give the guy some credit instead of trying to pick his accomplishments apart? I did give him props in the very post you are replying to. But if you want look at his totals and act like he was Mr. Consistent, then go right ahead. The truth is, in the majority of his games he was not nearly as effective as the totals make you think as a large chunk of the production came in a few games. I gave him total props for Week 1, said I loved seeing it and had a blast watching the game. But no matter how deep your homerism runs, he still needs to string some weeks like this together. You want to know what he did after his first 4 TD game last year? He went for 12 TD's and 16 turnovers in his next 9 games with a 56% comp rate and a QB rating of 70. And 4 of those 12 TD's came in one game against Cincy. So, unlike you, I would like to see him string some good games together in a row, beat some better teams, and show some consistency before I start believing our QB questions are answered. And truthfully, I hope to high heaven Fitz becomes our man, I really do as I like the guy and how he plays. But I need consistency... PS: In 2 of his 4 TD games, the opposing defense lost their starting safety during the game. In fact, KC lost their best player on D and Cincy lost both starting safeties... Edited September 14, 2011 by Alphadawg7
Mark Long Beach Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I'm not saying Fitz is a candidate for sainthood, and he's shown he can be inconsistent. But he's also showing that his ceiling may be higher than a lot of people have given him credit for and he's getting numbers to back it up as well. Here's hoping the rock we're polishing turns out to be a diamond.
zow2 Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 There were a few of us last summer, screaming and typing everywhere that Fitz needed to start vs. Miami in the 2010 opener. HE had already proven himself from the season before imo. Of course Trent got the nod and it was a big thud. I guess in hindsight, the Bills may not have gotten Dareus if things had gone differently. It's great to have so many Bills fan sin Fitz's corner now.
Wraith Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 Ask Indianapolis Colts fans if they agree with you. Matt Cassel says hello.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I'm not saying Fitz is a candidate for sainthood, and he's shown he can be inconsistent. But he's also showing that his ceiling may be higher than a lot of people have given him credit for and he's getting numbers to back it up as well. Here's hoping the rock we're polishing turns out to be a diamond. Honest to god, name me one QB who NEVER has a bad day. Brady, maybe. Fitz is as consistent as any QB. PTR
BobbyC81 Posted September 15, 2011 Posted September 15, 2011 Consistency is overrated. I remember Marv Levy saying that once.
Captain Hindsight Posted September 15, 2011 Author Posted September 15, 2011 Honest to god, name me one QB who NEVER has a bad day. Brady, maybe. Fitz is as consistent as any QB. PTR Brady has had a bad day
fansince88 Posted September 15, 2011 Posted September 15, 2011 I will go on record and say that the Amish Rifleman will be the Bills starter for years to come and will amaze the masses
NastyMan Posted September 15, 2011 Posted September 15, 2011 I can live with Fitz's picks. He's no more of a risk-taker than many other elite QB's in this league. Two of his TD's last game were in really tight spots. I'd rather see him make those throws and risk a pick, than hold onto the ball and take sacks. or hold onto the ball and settle for the FG, "BORING"
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