NoSaint Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 frankly, we should be slight favorites here. at home west coast team coming across the country and talent wise id put the two teams pretty close. I think the game stays close which will be good for us, but i also think we edge out a win here.
bladiebla Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 I think that this game will very much be the test we expected last week, momentum can be a deciding factor. It looked like our rush D has greatly improved, yet we got burned on the edge 4 times again. Only one of those was due to à missed tackle. The big danger with mcfadden is edge. Contain the edge is going to be à huge factor. Also our oline will be put to the test for real. Fitz does seem to be decent in situations like that though. Homefield, timezone advantage and normal prep time gives us the bookie advantage, still this has tight game written allover.
billsfan1959 Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Raiders dominated the AFc West last year going 6-0. The problem is they went 2-8 outside the division. Here is the reason why. Raiders played musical chairs last year at the most important position(QB( J campbell and garbagekowski) Tough for skill guys to get any chemistry with the Qb.(cable biggest blunder) Raiders didn't have a back to replace what D Mcfadden gave them when he missed a couple games due to injury.(they have thay guy now taiwan Jones) Here is another Key Raider tackles weren't that great in pass protection. When teams took away the run, Raiders had trouble moving the football through the air. Alot of key injuries at the Wr position didn't help either. JMO I think Raiders passing offense will be alot more consistant and explosive than it was last year. Teams that load up to stop the run will be hurt by their passing game. Raiders have alot more depoth at Wr these days that they can afford to be missing a wr or two with injury. Also Raiders will start to incorporate their young talent slowly in WR Denarius moore (will get more and more playing time) RB Taiwan jones- he will play alot as his speed going to create serious mismatches. Te David Ausberry 6'4 245 4.47 (ex WR) probably won't be activated till Boss comes back as Raiders don't want to rely on two inexperience Tes ( R gordon and him) I wouldn't read too much how raiders passing game looked against Broncos as raiders were holding alot of there weapons out as they didn't want anyone of them to get hurt with the bad weather. Also Raiders were playing it very safe as they wanted to win their first divisional game. Could the reason be that the AFC west just wasn't very good last year?
OCinBuffalo Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 JMO I think Raiders passing offense will be alot more consistant and explosive than it was last year. Teams that load up to stop the run will be hurt by their passing game. Raiders have alot more depoth at Wr these days that they can afford to be missing a wr or two with injury. Also Raiders will start to incorporate their young talent slowly in WR Denarius moore (will get more and more playing time) RB Taiwan jones- he will play alot as his speed going to create serious mismatches. Te David Ausberry 6'4 245 4.47 (ex WR) probably won't be activated till Boss comes back as Raiders don't want to rely on two inexperience Tes ( R gordon and him) I wouldn't read too much how raiders passing game looked against Broncos as raiders were holding alot of there weapons out as they didn't want anyone of them to get hurt with the bad weather. Also Raiders were playing it very safe as they wanted to win their first divisional game. How about we replace the word "think" with the word "wish"? Campbell scares no one. He's consistent: at having a passer rating of 80-85 = not going to win you the game. He may not lose it, like Orton did, but he won't win it. Your WRs looked horrible last night. And, I noticed you left out Jacoby Ford, of "Catch and fumble on the first offensive play of the game" fame. Is he part of the depth you are talking about? Yes, Denver has some stud CBs, but still, I keep seeing Heyward-Bay falling down on a slant pattern and having the ball hit him in the face on a bounce-pass. That pretty much defined your QB/WR play. That wasn't Denver's CBs. Perhaps they are better than they showed? OK. First game, jitters, young players, etc. OK. But, to beat our DBs, they have to be much better. You don't have a TE to speak of. If you did, I might be more worried about your passing game, because of your running game, but you don't, so I refuse. Your running game looked good....because Denver's offensive FAILs gift-wrapped it the game for it. Giving the ball away, which meant an early lead that Denver blew multiple chances to remove, meant more running from you. It isn't indicative of anything other than Kyle Orton Sucks. Being 5-14 on third down...does not mean you have a good running game. Show me 10-14 and I would agree. Instead, you guys kept getting short fields, and running the ball to kill clock. Your longest scoring drive started at your 46 yard line(for a FG). That awesome kick at halftime thing wasn't "down the field". You did not drive the ball "down the field" once. The longest "down the field" drive you had was from your 20...to your 46 yard line....so please....how about you actually prove that you can "drive the ball down the field" 1(one) time...before telling us you are going to "drive it up and down the field all day"? Denver forgot the saying: Never wrestle with a pig, all you get is dirty, and the pig likes it. I can assure you that we will not make the same mistake WRT penalties.. You really want to give Fitz 15 free yards in penalties every drive, especially on 3rd down? Knock yourself out, buddy, don't let us stop you: perhaps this week we'll score 50. Now let's talk our WRs. We know how good they are, we don't have to wish. We've seen them make play after play, both last year and this year. That's all there is to say. We'll see if Huff can stop Chandler(actually I am praying that you overreact to him...so that Roscoe can tear it up). Oh, and you might want to watch our running game this weekend. You may be surprised. Especially if we get up by 2 scores, because Campbell turns it over and/or you give us half as many free penalty yards as you gave Denver. Bottom line: if the performances I saw in both games were reversed....I wouldn't be talking about beating the Raiders. I'd be hoping my team would escape getting blown out by 21 in the first quarter.
BillnutinHouston Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 I assume your a raiders fan so I appreciate the discussion. In regards to the bolded part, how would you guys do against a screen game? Seemed like your D-line was overly aggressive at time last night Yup, screens - exactly what I expect Chan to counter with.
Clippers of Nfl Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Oakland seems to be an uber-undisciplined team and took a lot of ridiculous penalties. Campbell looked horrible....reminded me a lot of Edwards without the attempted deep incompletions... Raiders D was flying all over the place and McFadden looked good. Overall I think we are a better team...their passing game scares noone. Stop McFadden and we should win... right on target. undisciplined teams suck and usually lose. remember when we would get false starts all sunday long. we would lose games campbell is more like jp, to me, but again, sucks. mc fadden can be stopped just like adrian p was stopped sunday and j charles and mccluster were BY US. so mcfaded will be stopped too. dareus kyle and barnett will do the job. if we didnt stop jamal charles and mcluster on sunday, then i would be worried. Watch the replay of that game . Denver should have been called for alot more penalties than they were, as their Oline were trying everything legal and non legal to stop Raiders dlineman. NFl wants to know why raideres had alot of unnecessary roughness plays. The frustration sometimes gets the better of you. I expect the Raiders to move it up and down the field on trhe Bills all day. The question can raiders get Tds or settle for fieldgoals. The more you hold the raiders to FGs, the better chance you have a stealing this one. HELL NO Raiders dominated the AFc West last year going 6-0. The problem is they went 2-8 outside the division. Here is the reason why. Raiders played musical chairs last year at the most important position(QB( J campbell and garbagekowski) Tough for skill guys to get any chemistry with the Qb.(cable biggest blunder) Raiders didn't have a back to replace what D Mcfadden gave them when he missed a couple games due to injury.(they have thay guy now taiwan Jones) Here is another Key Raider tackles weren't that great in pass protection. When teams took away the run, Raiders had trouble moving the football through the air. Alot of key injuries at the Wr position didn't help either. JMO I think Raiders passing offense will be alot more consistant and explosive than it was last year. Teams that load up to stop the run will be hurt by their passing game. Raiders have alot more depoth at Wr these days that they can afford to be missing a wr or two with injury. Also Raiders will start to incorporate their young talent slowly in WR Denarius moore (will get more and more playing time) RB Taiwan jones- he will play alot as his speed going to create serious mismatches. Te David Ausberry 6'4 245 4.47 (ex WR) probably won't be activated till Boss comes back as Raiders don't want to rely on two inexperience Tes ( R gordon and him) I wouldn't read too much how raiders passing game looked against Broncos as raiders were holding alot of there weapons out as they didn't want anyone of them to get hurt with the bad weather. Also Raiders were playing it very safe as they wanted to win their first divisional game. do you know how retarded that sounds???? ps. normally i would have wanted the broncos to spank the crap out of the raiders. but i rooted for the raiders for one reason and one reason only. IF RAIDERS LOSE GAME 1, THEY PLAY HARD AS HELL VS BILLS, NOT WANTING TO BE DOWN 0-2. believe it or not, it makes a difference.
Fan in San Diego Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 First off he you watched the game you know why the Raiders are going to be tough to beat. They have one of the best dlines in the game. There front four(go very deep) has ability to take over the Game. (this isn't a KC dline your facing) Bils do have some serious question on that Oline(Eric pears is starting for you). Bills let raiders dominate them in the trenches than it going to be very tough to beat the raiders. First thing bills must do is try and control R seymour and Tom Kelly as both are as tough a Dt tandem your going to see. Both do what they do to alot of teams and live in Bills backfield its going to be a long day for bills offense. Pressre campbell it isn't as easy as it sounds. Denver pass rushing duo is as good as anyone(Dumervile and Von Miller) and Raiders kept extra guys to account for them. I don't see them keeping anyone in as they wikll be sending their full repitore out as recieving options That not true D Mcfadden is just as effective running insidse as he is outside. (he looking to punish defenders these days. Raiders should also break out Taiwan Jones- Raiders coaches say he might be the fastest RB to mever play for the raiders. I can't wait till we see Both Jones and Mcfadden together in backfield. Both could take a swing pass and take it to the house from anywhere. Raiders are mixing there coverage up alot more these days. MLB R Mcclain is so big and has great lengtrh its tough to throw over him. Raider Stephen Boyd is a LB/safety 4.4 that will be on the Te alot Raiders Cbs or S Routt and C Johnson were near the top of the top Cb in burn rates last year. Raiders Dline puts so much presure on a QB(pushing the pocket right back on the Qb lap) that its hard to throw with pressure right in the Qbs face. Now you do know raiders didn't play alot of there weapons on offense due to the weather(these guys are coming back from injury) K Boss- doubt he plays this week, Chaz Schilens 6'4 225 4.37 some say raiders best Wr, Derek hagan- a diffrent kind of wr, Louis Murphy- he out this week also, Taiwan jones(way faster than D Mcfadden who going to be someone you better account for. I honestly see the raideres winning this game by seven points. Hi RaiderJoe thanks for posting. I watched the game last night and the Raiders DLine does look good. Your Oline was manhandling Denver. Our DLine is much bigger than Denver's so it will be interesting to see the matchup. McFadden and Reece look strong and tough. Our LB's are going to need a hot tub after this game. Sealing the edges will be crucial to stop the running game. This is going to be a tough fought game. It is going to be very close I think. 3 points or less will win this game. My prediction is 31 - 28 Bills.
Clippers of Nfl Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Hi RaiderJoe thanks for posting. I watched the game last night and the Raiders DLine does look good. Your Oline was manhandling Denver. Our DLine is much bigger than Denver's so it will be interesting to see the matchup. McFadden and Reece look strong and tough. Our LB's are going to need a hot tub after this game. Sealing the edges will be crucial to stop the running game. This is going to be a tough fought game. It is going to be very close I think. 3 points or less will win this game. My prediction is 31 - 28 Bills. what???? our offense is better our defense is better our team is more diciplined our qb is way better to me, their only edge is on special teams. they have 6 of the fastest guys in the nfl. or something like that. its going to look like 30-17 bills
It's in My Blood Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 35 17 Bills 42 38 Bills over Pat-thetics!!! I hope the Bills aren't looking past the Raiders and ahead to the Pats like a lot of posters on TBD seem to be doing. **That said....Bills 35 Raiders 17 - Fitz goes off again and throws 3 TDs/350 yds, setting the stage for the biggest game in recent Bills history against the Pats. - The Bills lock down Campbell with a few sacks but struggle to shut down the Raiders run game**
Fan in San Diego Posted September 13, 2011 Posted September 13, 2011 Aren't male hookers called gigolos? That'd probably be more effective. BTW - what's a group of hookers called? Witches are a coven, geese are a gaggle, crows are a murder. Hookers are? Inmates
stinky finger Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I'm not making any guarantees - just warning you not to bet your car on the outcome. He's a Raider fan, chances are he's had his license revoked.
Raiderjoe Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 Undisciplined 15 penalties for 131 yards, that is what I'm getting at. That and you will be in hostile territory with less prep time. Little things like that make the difference in a close game. I like Raiders kicking game better than Bills( Jankowski and Lechler) I admit i really don't know who Bills kicker and punter is. That might be a bigger diffrence in a close game.
BRH Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I like Raiders kicking game better than Bills( Jankowski and Lechler) I admit i really don't know who Bills kicker and punter is. I was waiting for you to top the "Raiders held a lot of their weapons out because they didn't want them to get hurt" line. You just did. Janikowski and Lechler are very good. Lindell and Moorman are no slouches themselves.
LGB Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 I like Raiders kicking game better than Bills( Jankowski and Lechler) I admit i really don't know who Bills kicker and punter is. That might be a bigger diffrence in a close game. There seem to be some similarities between the Bills and Raiders in that they both suck at drafting top picks, both have good kicking games (so much game experience - right?), appear to not have franchise QBs and both owners are older than dirt. One thing is that the AFC East is much stronger than the West. Not that this means that the Bills will win, but my guess is that the Bills might be the better all around team. Raider Joe, you have had almost as many whiffs as us at QB...who was the last good Raider QB - Gannon?
maddenboy Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 Lets be fair, Bills fans. Janikowski and Lechler are each in the top 3 at their positions, and the two of them together are, for sure, the best tandem in the league. But with the new kickoff rule, Janikowski's huge leg is minimized. And with the 100 yards in Penalties that the Raiders spot every team before kickoff, I'm not worried about the kicking game at all. Stop the run. Let Jason Campbell try to beat us, and we should be fine.
reddogblitz Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 But with the new kickoff rule, Janikowski's huge leg is minimized. When I see the guy tied the NFL record the week before we play them, yeah, I'm a little concerned. But I think we can deal with it.
Slo_Bills Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 How about we replace the word "think" with the word "wish"? Campbell scares no one. He's consistent: at having a passer rating of 80-85 = not going to win you the game. He may not lose it, like Orton did, but he won't win it. Your WRs looked horrible last night. And, I noticed you left out Jacoby Ford, of "Catch and fumble on the first offensive play of the game" fame. Is he part of the depth you are talking about? Yes, Denver has some stud CBs, but still, I keep seeing Heyward-Bay falling down on a slant pattern and having the ball hit him in the face on a bounce-pass. That pretty much defined your QB/WR play. That wasn't Denver's CBs. Perhaps they are better than they showed? OK. First game, jitters, young players, etc. OK. But, to beat our DBs, they have to be much better. You don't have a TE to speak of. If you did, I might be more worried about your passing game, because of your running game, but you don't, so I refuse. Your running game looked good....because Denver's offensive FAILs gift-wrapped it the game for it. Giving the ball away, which meant an early lead that Denver blew multiple chances to remove, meant more running from you. It isn't indicative of anything other than Kyle Orton Sucks. Being 5-14 on third down...does not mean you have a good running game. Show me 10-14 and I would agree. Instead, you guys kept getting short fields, and running the ball to kill clock. Your longest scoring drive started at your 46 yard line(for a FG). That awesome kick at halftime thing wasn't "down the field". You did not drive the ball "down the field" once. The longest "down the field" drive you had was from your 20...to your 46 yard line....so please....how about you actually prove that you can "drive the ball down the field" 1(one) time...before telling us you are going to "drive it up and down the field all day"? Denver forgot the saying: Never wrestle with a pig, all you get is dirty, and the pig likes it. I can assure you that we will not make the same mistake WRT penalties.. You really want to give Fitz 15 free yards in penalties every drive, especially on 3rd down? Knock yourself out, buddy, don't let us stop you: perhaps this week we'll score 50. Now let's talk our WRs. We know how good they are, we don't have to wish. We've seen them make play after play, both last year and this year. That's all there is to say. We'll see if Huff can stop Chandler(actually I am praying that you overreact to him...so that Roscoe can tear it up). Oh, and you might want to watch our running game this weekend. You may be surprised. Especially if we get up by 2 scores, because Campbell turns it over and/or you give us half as many free penalty yards as you gave Denver. Bottom line: if the performances I saw in both games were reversed....I wouldn't be talking about beating the Raiders. I'd be hoping my team would escape getting blown out by 21 in the first quarter.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 How to beat the raiders: Stack the box and put the game in cambell's hands
Bob in STL Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 Ok, so I braved the late night game and watched the Raiders closely, and I have a few thoughts on what we need to do to beat them. IN no particular order. 1. Pressure Campbell - We should be able to do this effectively = win 2. Plug up the holes inside with Our DT's and win the edge - McFadden runs more for the edge than inside and this is where we need to stop him = win/loss 3. Dicipline - Raiders looked young and undiciplined last night, and this is a big plus for us, if we stay as diciplined as in the KC game. = win 4. TE's will be big in this game as they were in KC. Move the ball around and we will be fine = win 5. One on one our CB's match up well with the Raiders, WR's. This will give us a lot more options with strong nickle packages. = win 6. Solid tackling will win the day. = win 7. Turnovers. Keep them down, and we = win I didn't see anything last night from Oakland that particularily scared me, other than the Reece/McFadden combo, but I think we have the personell that can take them on. We just need to execute. My predicition is a Bills win. 27 - 14 Bills 2 - 0 Vs. New England! Don't ask me how we beat NE, I have no frigging idea.. LOL Tim- Run more than your opponent. Win the take-away keep-away. Play inspired special teams.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 14, 2011 Posted September 14, 2011 Watch the replay of that game . Denver should have been called for alot more penalties than they were, as their Oline were trying everything legal and non legal to stop Raiders dlineman. NFl wants to know why raideres had alot of unnecessary roughness plays. The frustration sometimes gets the better of you. I expect the Raiders to move it up and down the field on trhe Bills all day. The question can raiders get Tds or settle for fieldgoals. The more you hold the raiders to FGs, the better chance you have a stealing this one. I've seen some good play from the Raiders, in preseason and last night. They have the potential to dominate on the lines, which would certainly help them "move it up and down the field on the Bills all day". On the other hand, I think KC came into last week's game expecting to move it up and down the field on the Bills all day. If they do a bit too much expecting, well hey.
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