Acantha Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Corey Moore! Oh wait . . . But seriously, Wang went to UVa, not VT. No, he went to VT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 No, he went to VT. Oops, you're right. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Way to build through the draft Buddy! Your first two choices to play OL for the Bills were Ed Wang and Cornell Green! They didnt draft green!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 They didnt draft green!!! Go figure. A guy with rooster in his name prematurely posting drivel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Quick name the top three VT players not named B.Smith, M. Vick, E. Royal, or D. Hall to be worth a damn in the NFL. go! Most over-rated school and program in the NCAA... "But apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order ... what HAVE the Romans done for us?" I get your point, but name dropping Bruce and Vick superstar #1 overall picks right away on the top of your list struck me as funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 Wang was limp in pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted September 3, 2011 Share Posted September 3, 2011 "But apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order ... what HAVE the Romans done for us?" I get your point, but name dropping Bruce and Vick superstar #1 overall picks right away on the top of your list struck me as funny. They are, in fact, the only legitimate super stars to have come from VT. I bet you can look up the top 20 teams by rank in the NCAA and name more than two super stars from each... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 What blunders did he make? He was never the guy selecting players even when he was the GM. Now you could argue that was a dumb idea. but regardless that was his position. So I'm not hanging any player selections good or bad on him. From a business standpoint, he's done very well. When you look at how poor this team has done the last ten years and people still buy tickets, he must be doing pretty good. Personally I'd hold RB accountable for all business decisions made by the Bills' but not football decisions as that was all he was ever asked to do. From that view he's done great. I thought he was wasting roster space...just did not show enough commitment - should have been doing more to improve while rehabbing the hand. Buddy and Chan have to free up space for prospects that they feel have a chance, this makes sense. Hairston looked like a keeper. Need to pick up a few more o-linemen off some rich team's practice heap to round out the depth. Although I would keep Hang around for that purpose as well, but Littman and Brandon will probably cut him so we can get 50% under the cap. Brandon must have something over on ol' Ralphy, went from Marketing, to GM, to CEO of the Bills - not sure what he has ever done, but show a remarkable ability to not only survive, but to flourish after making blunder upon blunder. It was not his marketing prowess that has kept the Bills viable in WNY, but rather the fans that fund stadiums, and keep buying tickets and gear despite all the cheap bone-headed football moves - my own opinion and folks are free to disagree. That being said, I do feel that Nix and Chan could be successful - they know the game and can put guys in a position to win. If only they are given enough funds to do so... they are taking care of the young core of Bills they are building like Kyle Williams, lets see if Ralph or the next owner is willing to spend down the road to keep any more gems we uncover and develop. Agreed. Why wouldn't the owner like him as business wise he's done very well. Doesn't it kind of go without saying that in any business if the owner thinks the #2 guy is terrible, he won't be there very long, but if he thinks he's doing good, he'll hang on to him. Your friend seems to have a real knack at stating the obvious. On Brandon, I have a friend who's in a position to know who's told me that it's pretty clear to him that Brandon has ingratiated himself with Wilson and his family and that's what he owes his survivability to, FWIW.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Somebody's got way too much time on their hands today! I never heard "time" used as a euphemism for Peter b4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBlueNorth Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 What blunders did he make? He was never the guy selecting players even when he was the GM. Now you could argue that was a dumb idea. but regardless that was his position. So I'm not hanging any player selections good or bad on him. From a business standpoint, he's done very well. When you look at how poor this team has done the last ten years and people still buy tickets, he must be doing pretty good. Personally I'd hold RB accountable for all business decisions made by the Bills' but not football decisions as that was all he was ever asked to do. From that view he's done great. Umm...Toronto comes to mind, and psst I really didn't have to think too hard. Looks like they jettisoned the veteran O-lineman Hangartner because....we have sooo many capable backup o-lineman? Really? Couldn't be that they are cheap - not hard to predict with this organization. Agreed. Why wouldn't the owner like him as business wise he's done very well. Doesn't it kind of go without saying that in any business if the owner thinks the #2 guy is terrible, he won't be there very long, but if he thinks he's doing good, he'll hang on to him. Your friend seems to have a real knack at stating the obvious. I think what he was saying was that it is not Russ' skill in running a business that prompts his steady promotions, rather his mad skilz at sucking up to the Wilsons - it does happen in business. Do you really think the Bills organization would lose a dollar of revenue if Jasper sat on Brandon and popped him like a zit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I like how Hangartner went from 'suck' to 'veteran' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Haven't the Bills already renewed the Toronto contract?? If so the I don't think you'd cal lit a blunder. Fans may not like it, built from the Bills perspective, they seem to be happy with it. RB has no involvement who we sign or cut, that's Nix. Did Nix go to RB and say we can keep a $3mil back up or cut him, what do you think, but ultimately that's a Nix decision. Most team would all cut $3 mil backups, . I'll grant you the Bills are thinner at O-line and has been one of their weak points, but O-line is different than other positions in that starters rarely come out other than for injury or a guy is just playing horrendous. So like most teams they will go thin this week, cross their fingers for no injuries, they could even sign Hangarter next week for half the salary. I've seen plenty of alleged suck ups over the years. But in most cases the people who call them suck ups are just pissed because the boss doesn't think their ideas are as good as the suck up. Granted his ideas could be terrible or at least in many peoples eyes, but if the boss likes the ideas, they are good ideas. That also happens in business. Do you honestly think RW disagree's with most of RB's plans, but says I'lll keep him anyway as he always speaks highly of in public. Granted no matter how good your ideas are, you can't rip the boss either. Umm...Toronto comes to mind, and psst I really didn't have to think too hard. Looks like they jettisoned the veteran O-lineman Hangartner because....we have sooo many capable backup o-lineman? Really? Couldn't be that they are cheap - not hard to predict with this organization. I think what he was saying was that it is not Russ' skill in running a business that prompts his steady promotions, rather his mad skilz at sucking up to the Wilsons - it does happen in business. Do you really think the Bills organization would lose a dollar of revenue if Jasper sat on Brandon and popped him like a zit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdBlueNorth Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 I like how Hangartner went from 'suck' to 'veteran' The terms "veteran" and "sucks" are not mutually exclusive because a player can be a veteran that sucks, but I think you are saying that everyone said he sucked and now they are saying he is a veteran who does not suck. There is some truth in that statement and it is pretty simple to explain. I never thought Hangartner sucked, that is a term I reserve for lost causes. He struggled against some of the bigger NTs in our division, and many (myself included) felt that Wood holds more long-term promise at Center. My confusion regarding this move is that a veteran who can and has played all 3 interior positions on the line if not great at least adequately, on a team without veteran depth across its o-line, deserves a spot. If I am wrong, and he is damaged goods, another team wont pick him up. Maybe he wanted out if he was not going to start - who knows? I just see what looks suspiciously like cost-cutting moves on a team that is well below the cap. If that is not the case, and it is strictly a performance issue, then Hang will not make it onto another squad or at least not for very long. Years of suspicious moves by OBD, have left me a bit jaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 The terms "veteran" and "sucks" are not mutually exclusive because a player can be a veteran that sucks, but I think you are saying that everyone said he sucked and now they are saying he is a veteran who does not suck. There is some truth in that statement and it is pretty simple to explain. I never thought Hangartner sucked, that is a term I reserve for lost causes. He struggled against some of the bigger NTs in our division, and many (myself included) felt that Wood holds more long-term promise at Center. My confusion regarding this move is that a veteran who can and has played all 3 interior positions on the line if not great at least adequately, on a team without veteran depth across its o-line, deserves a spot. If I am wrong, and he is damaged goods, another team wont pick him up. Maybe he wanted out if he was not going to start - who knows? I just see what looks suspiciously like cost-cutting moves on a team that is well below the cap. If that is not the case, and it is strictly a performance issue, then Hang will not make it onto another squad or at least not for very long. Years of suspicious moves by OBD, have left me a bit jaded. I'm saying that you would be talking about how dysfunctional the Bills are if they had kept him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 They didnt draft green!!! Really?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 You mean the 4th round isn't where you should draft a tackle when you have a gaping whole in your OL that protects your QB's blind side? Good thing we traded Evans for a 4th rounder. We can use that pick next year to waste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Corey Moore? Was star in college and was playing well for us with Wade's 34 then Grego came in with the 43 and cut him (his gun incident didn't help but this kid could flat out play and would have been great for us if we stayed 34). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills44 Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 Was star in college and was playing well for us with Wade's 34 then Grego came in with the 43 and cut him (his gun incident didn't help but this kid could flat out play and would have been great for us if we stayed 34). he was too small for the NFL - I don't think that the defensive scheme ultimately made a difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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