White Linen Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) I took out a pad watched the game after it was played so I could rewind and re-watch the game. I took some notes and thought I'd share what I saw. The Bad Thigpen - I thought he looked awful. Accuracy is a real concern. I know he was getting pressured like crazy, but even when he had time it wasn't good. He made rookie like bad decisions (taking sacks in field goal range, holding onto the ball too long, etc.). We all thought Thigpen would be that safety valve in the event Fitz got hurt. If Thigpen has to play this year, this team will resemble years past where it was tough to imagine us getting two first downs in a row. Hangartner - I think he's getting cut. Got blown up and ran around. Easley - I think he may have gone from questionable hands to possibly very bad hands status. I think he gets cut. Davis - He appears to have very bad concentration issues with catching and overall awareness. Runs lackadaisical routes, then appears suprised the ball is coming vs. expecting it. I think he gets cut as well. Based on my thoughts on Easley and Davis. I think Roosevelt and Aiken make the team. Corner - Awful. I think he got thrown on a lot and I think it exposed that he's a Tampa 2 kind of guy, not a very good cover corner. Wrotto - I think he's clearly the worst O lineman on the team. I can't see where he did anything good. Chris White - Appears lost to me, even beyond the long run where he was called out by Tasker on. He overuns plays and then doesn't have the lateral movement to get back into the play. He takes on the block and engages the offensive blocker, instead of giving himself that extra second to think. The Good: Coleman - If he gets cut I'll be upset. He clearly has huge upside. Seems to always be in the right place. Hairston - I thought he not only held his own but played very very good. I think based on tonights performance he may be the future, and I'm serious. I was pleasantly surprised. He looked like a starter playing with the 2nd and 3rd teamers, having little issue handling his man. Batten - Welcome to our pass rush specialist. When he was drafted we as fans weren't sure what the Bills would do with him. Would he be inside or outside. Take notice Bills fans we have a very talented pass rusher being groomed. I'd be very surprised if he didn't play a fair amount this year. Sheppard - Congrats on showing us why we drafted you in the 3rd round. Along with the others, Sheppard is making me feel very good about our future at LB. Heard - This young man knows how to play the nose. It's like he just understands what his role is and does it. Johnny White - God forbid Fred Jackson gets hurt. But if he does, don't be suprised if Johnny White assumes Jacksons role and Spiller stays as the gadget back. I think White is that good. I would love to see what he would do with the starters. Corto - This may suprise some people, but I think Corto finds a way to make this team. I might even go so far to say Scott would be the sacrificial lamb. My guess on cuts: Moats, Jasper, Scott, Easley, Hangartner, S. Nelson, Torbor. Edited September 2, 2011 by Triple Threat
bills1960 Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 There's absolutely no way Easley will get cut.
Dr. K Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 I took out a pad watched the game after it was played so I could rewind and re-watch the game. I took some notes and thought I'd share what I saw. The Bad Thigpen - I thought he looked awful. Accuracy is a real concern. I know he was getting pressured like crazy, but even when he had time it wasn't good. He made rookie like bad decisions (taking sacks in field goal range, holding onto the ball too long, etc.). We all thought Thigpen would be that safety valve in the event Fitz got hurt. If Thigpen has to play this year, this team will resemble years past where it was tough to imagine us getting two first downs in a row. Hangartner - I think he's getting cut. Got blown up and ran around. Easley - I think he may have gone from questionable hands to possibly very bad hands status. I think he gets cut. Davis - He appears to have very bad concentration issues with catching and overall awareness. Runs lackadaisical routes, then appears suprised the ball is coming vs. expecting it. I think he gets cut as well. Based on my thoughts on Easley and Davis. I think Roosevelt and Aiken make the team. Corner - Awful. I think he got thrown on a lot and I think it exposed that he's a Tampa 2 kind of guy, not a very good cover corner. Wrotto - I think he's clearly the worst O lineman on the team. I can't see where he did anything good. Chris White - Appears lost to me, even beyond the long run where he was called out by Tasker on. He overuns plays and then doesn't have the lateral movement to get back into the play. He takes on the block and engages the offensive blocker, instead of giving himself that extra second to think. The Good: Coleman - If he gets cut I'll be upset. He clearly has huge upside. Seems to always be in the right place. Hairston - I thought he not only held his own but played very very good. I think based on tonights performance he may be the future, and I'm serious. I was pleasantly surprised. He looked like a starter playing with the 2nd and 3rd teamers, having little issue handling his man. Batten - Welcome to our pass rush specialist. When he was drafted we as fans weren't sure what the Bills would do with him. Would he be inside or outside. Take notice Bills fans we have a very talented pass rusher being groomed. I'd be very surprised if he didn't play a fair amount this year. Sheppard - Congrats on showing us why we drafted you in the 3rd round. Along with the others, Sheppard is making me feel very good about our future at LB. Heard - This young man knows how to play the nose. It's like he just understands what his role is and does it. Johnny White - God forbid Fred Jackson gets hurt. But if he does, don't be suprised if Johnny White assumes Jacksons role and Spiller stays as the gadget back. I think White is that good. I would love to see what he would do with the starters. Corto - This may suprise some people, but I think Corto finds a way to make this team. I might even go so far to say Scott would be the sacrificial lamb. My guess on cuts: Moats, Jasper, Scott, Easley, Hangartner, S. Nelson, Torbor. Easley has played in only a couple of preseason games for the Bills in his two years here, and in one of them he looked very good against a first-team defense. He's inconsistent, and has had some drops, but it's way too soon to cut him. I'd like to see Aiken make the squad, but I don't think Easley gets cut. We'll find out soon enough.
CardinalScotts Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 Moats and Easley won't get cut. Hangartner looked bad thanks to the other guys he had to play with- not his fault he won't be cut. Easley has huge potential not going anywhere. Davis out and probably Moats although I would drop White and keep Moats.
Doc Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 Hangartner looked bad thanks to the other guys he had to play with- not his fault he won't be cut. Easley has huge potential not going anywhere. Davis out and probably Moats although I would drop White and keep Moats. I agree. I'm going to update my roster next.
White Linen Posted September 2, 2011 Author Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) Moats and Easley won't get cut. That's a simple statement to make but a difficult one to be so sure on. Do you agree they keep 8-9 LB's? Who goes so Moats makes the team? I have: Davis Merriman Sheppard Barnett Batten Carrington Kelsay and Coleman and Morrison Edited September 2, 2011 by Triple Threat
AthensThunder Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 So you think Hairston was very very good.The guy that played next to him most of the night made no mistakes so then he must have been very very very good. You also think White is as good as Fredie.Does that make Hall the best back on the team? They threw at Corner early and often and they only got a couple of completions.So defending three times as many passes as he missed on puts him in the bad section. What I saw was Thigpen was awfull Eastly wasn't.
Doc Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 That's a simple statement to make but a difficult one to be so sure on. Do you agree they keep 8 LB's? Who goes so Moats makes the team? I have: Davis Merriman Sheppard Barnett Batten Carrington and Coleman and Morrison I think they keep at least 9 LBs, seeing as how they kept 10 last year (and I have Carrington as a DE). My LBs are: Merriman Kelsay Davis Barnett Sheppard Batten Moats Morrison Coleman I see Chris White going to the PS along with Eddins.
White Linen Posted September 2, 2011 Author Posted September 2, 2011 So you think Hairston was very very good.The guy that played next to him most of the night made no mistakes so then he must have been very very very good. You also think White is as good as Fredie.Does that make Hall the best back on the team? They threw at Corner early and often and they only got a couple of completions.So defending three times as many passes as he missed on puts him in the bad section. What I saw was Thigpen was awfull Eastly wasn't. This post is so lacking in real content it's tough to respond. What does this mean? "The guy that played next to him most of the night made no mistakes so then he must have been very very very good." And who are you talking about, can you clarify who "the guy" is? You clearly have reading issues if you got I think White is as good as Freddie out of what I wrote. Read slowly now here it comes. I think he would be the better man to take on the load if Freddie goes down than Spiller. "So defending three times as many passes as he missed" Wow, I think I know what you meant but it was so poorly articulated it's comical. You believe if a corner is thrown on 9 times and 3 of those 9 are played very poorly that's good?
White Linen Posted September 2, 2011 Author Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) I think they keep at least 9 LBs, seeing as how they kept 10 last year (and I have Carrington as a DE). My LBs are: Merriman Kelsay Davis Barnett Sheppard Batten Moats Morrison Coleman I see Chris White going to the PS along with Eddins. We by in large agree then except I believe they will cut Moats and keep an extra D lineman. I can't remember right off how many LB's they kept last year after camp, especially with the injuries, but I don't think they had Kelsay identified as a LB and certainly not Carrington. I think with drafting Dareus and adding another guaranteed spot and Heard playing well it created another keeper with the other obvious Ends and Tackles we will keep. I believe the casualty to keep Heard will be a LB. I like you, need to update my roster. But I think you're going to find out room to keep players is going to be tight. I normally don't find anything Tasker has to say profound, but one thing he said tonight was. He said "Last year I think the Bills had to keep some players they would have rather cut. This year they will have to cut players they would rather keep." Edited September 2, 2011 by Triple Threat
disco Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 I took out a pad watched the game after it was played so I could rewind and re-watch the game. I took some notes and thought I'd share what I saw. The Bad Thigpen - I thought he looked awful. Accuracy is a real concern. I know he was getting pressured like crazy, but even when he had time it wasn't good. He made rookie like bad decisions (taking sacks in field goal range, holding onto the ball too long, etc.). We all thought Thigpen would be that safety valve in the event Fitz got hurt. If Thigpen has to play this year, this team will resemble years past where it was tough to imagine us getting two first downs in a row. Hangartner - I think he's getting cut. Got blown up and ran around. Easley - I think he may have gone from questionable hands to possibly very bad hands status. I think he gets cut. Davis - He appears to have very bad concentration issues with catching and overall awareness. Runs lackadaisical routes, then appears suprised the ball is coming vs. expecting it. I think he gets cut as well. Based on my thoughts on Easley and Davis. I think Roosevelt and Aiken make the team. Corner - Awful. I think he got thrown on a lot and I think it exposed that he's a Tampa 2 kind of guy, not a very good cover corner. Wrotto - I think he's clearly the worst O lineman on the team. I can't see where he did anything good. Chris White - Appears lost to me, even beyond the long run where he was called out by Tasker on. He overuns plays and then doesn't have the lateral movement to get back into the play. He takes on the block and engages the offensive blocker, instead of giving himself that extra second to think. The Good: Coleman - If he gets cut I'll be upset. He clearly has huge upside. Seems to always be in the right place. Hairston - I thought he not only held his own but played very very good. I think based on tonights performance he may be the future, and I'm serious. I was pleasantly surprised. He looked like a starter playing with the 2nd and 3rd teamers, having little issue handling his man. Batten - Welcome to our pass rush specialist. When he was drafted we as fans weren't sure what the Bills would do with him. Would he be inside or outside. Take notice Bills fans we have a very talented pass rusher being groomed. I'd be very surprised if he didn't play a fair amount this year. Sheppard - Congrats on showing us why we drafted you in the 3rd round. Along with the others, Sheppard is making me feel very good about our future at LB. Heard - This young man knows how to play the nose. It's like he just understands what his role is and does it. Johnny White - God forbid Fred Jackson gets hurt. But if he does, don't be suprised if Johnny White assumes Jacksons role and Spiller stays as Corto - This may suprise some people, but I think Corto finds a way to make this team. I might even go so far to say Scott would be the the gadget back. I think White is that good. I would love to see what he would do with the starters. sacrificial lamb. My guess on cuts: Moats, Jasper, Scott, Easley, Hangartner, S. Nelson, Torbor. Batten is gone Moats stays.
stevewin Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) - If Coleman was playing for a spot tonight I think he earned it - Batten looked great to me - seems to always be around the ball with maximum effort - Watching Merriman - he just looks like he's in another league - what a friggin stud. God how exciting it will be if he can stay on the field - Sheppard reminded me a bit of Merriman(-lite) - was diving and selling out - I think he will be a real player. All the more impressive when you realize this was his first time out there - Chris White showed me nothing - PS for sure - Morrison had a couple nice plays going downhill. The whole LBing corps seems to be playing more aggressively attacking - wonder how much of that is due to the Stache - McIntyre had a horrible day picking up blitzes - totally whiffed on at least two resulting in bad sacks - Receivers all around looked pathetic - like high schoolers. Thigpen didn't help them but what a motley crew - hopefully with Jones, Parrish, Nelson back they can hit the ground running when the season starts - All Caussin does is catch the ball and do what he should - Pinalto looked like he belonged too, and was active blocking. Goodbye Nelson - Felt bad for Thigpen with some of the horrible line play, but his accuracy has been horrible the entire preseason - Jasper showed me nothing the whole preseason - just kinds of stands there - sometimes goes a little forward, sometimes backwards - saw no mean streak, no dominating strength, no aggressiveness, nothing. Heard is light years ahead of him - Wrotto was absolutely horrendous - they should have made him take his jersey off right there on the field when the whistle blew and made him walk out the exits with the other non-football players Edited September 2, 2011 by stevewin
NickelCity Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 Batten is gone Moats stays. There is no way Batten goes imo. Moats is iffy. Easley stays. I'm excited about what Hairston brings to the table.
Meark Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 That's a simple statement to make but a difficult one to be so sure on. Do you agree they keep 8-9 LB's? Who goes so Moats makes the team? I have: Davis Merriman Sheppard Barnett Batten Kelsay Coleman Morrison Moats Fixed They will probably list Carrington as a DE so they can still keep 9 LB's.. Who are the other DE's? Only two other DE's are probably going to make the team (Edwards and Johnson), 3 if you count Dareus as a DE.
ExWNYer Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 Easley - I think he may have gone from questionable hands to possibly very bad hands status. I think he gets cut. Nope.
Mark Long Beach Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 That's a simple statement to make but a difficult one to be so sure on. Do you agree they keep 8-9 LB's? Who goes so Moats makes the team? I have: Davis Merriman Sheppard Barnett Batten Carrington Kelsay and Coleman and Morrison This is the list that I keep coming up with. Moats & White don't make it.
Mark Long Beach Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 OP original post on the GBU: Bad: I agree with much of what you said, with the notable exception of Easley. Couldn't see much with Hang, I was watching most of the 2nd+ team OL get blown all over. For certain the LG was terrible as was the entire right side. Noticed only one bad play by Hang but could well have been more. Some of the OL were horrific. Wang is a goner for certain. Several times Wrotto got blamed on the telecast but at least one of those was Wang who still needs his wallet back. Really most of the reserve line needed to be called out here, not just Wrotto. I think Pigpen got 20 pounds knocked off of him he because was sacked so often. Good: yes: Coleman, Hairston, Sheppard, Heard not bad: Batten, JWhite although he's hard to really examine as the reserve line play was double dog dreadful. unsure: Corto had some good ST play and at least one good D play. But in previous preseason games he's looked out of place an awful lot in my eyes. He'll only make the squad on ST play. Cuts: yep, save Easley & maybe Hang. (Torbor's already on IR)
CSBill Posted September 2, 2011 Posted September 2, 2011 If Moats is cut, that would be my biggest surprise; but, I could see it happening with the play of some of the new people. If he's cut, I don't think it's because he regressed, I think it is more the others around him have just improved. But what is interesting here is, the Bills coaches had already kind-of made an assessment on him when they moved him to ILB. Was that because they had already decided he wouldn't be able to stick on the outside with the additions there? I hope he sticks, but if not, I think it is easy to see why.
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