metzelaars_lives Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) Wow. I just came on here and am reading the reactions to Lee Evans' preseason touchdown against the Redskins last night. Has anyone alluded to the fact that it was a preseason touchdown against the Redskins? Last season he had an even longer preseason touchdown against the Colts and then he caught 37 passes in the regular season. Everybody calm down! I actually do think he's gonna have a big season, but I don't that we can draw any conclusions at all from one freaking play last night. Edited August 26, 2011 by metzelaars_lives
Defend Greece Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Well I think you can see that in two games equalling just over a half of football, lee is going to get balls Flaco Was all smiles with lee on sideline
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I also want to add that I do NOT think, nor is it reasonable to believe, that his success in Baltimore means he would've put those numbers up in Buffalo. I really like Lee as a person and a player, but he is still a one-trick pony. He caught a deep ball for a TD last night. Same thing we watched him do here for 7 years. Nothing new or unexpected there. I wish him the best during his time on the Ravens, but do not miss him on this current team where he would be largely underutilized. Agree completely. I wish Lee the best, and expect him to do great things. But it's going to be like the year where he and JP hooked up for a bunch of bombs. I don't expect Lee to suddenly turn into a complete receiver in Baltimore.
Dorkington Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I also want to add that I do NOT think, nor is it reasonable to believe, that his success in Baltimore means he would've put those numbers up in Buffalo. This is very true. But just because his actual productivity wasn't great, doesn't mean much, imo. The fact is, he helped Johnson get open quite a bit with the long pass threat he was.
Fan in Chicago Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I also want to add that I do NOT think, nor is it reasonable to believe, that his success in Baltimore means he would've put those numbers up in Buffalo. I really like Lee as a person and a player, but he is still a one-trick pony. He caught a deep ball for a TD last night. Same thing we watched him do here for 7 years. Nothing new or unexpected there. I wish him the best during his time on the Ravens, but do not miss him on this current team where he would be largely underutilized. I agree about the first part - he did not have good production last year and it is unreasonable to believe he would have this year with pretty much the same cast characters on the O. However, I am not with the camp that belittles him just because he can only go deep (not that I support that contention but let us go with that for now). Having a deep threat can be incredibly valuable if we have corresponding medium and short range threats also. If Roscoe ever fulfilled his potential and Stevie/a Tight End could cover the short to medium range, the offense would be multi-dimensional and potent. Evans could do his thing deep and defenses would be forced to account for that. For a myriad of reasons - lack of a good TE, lack of adequate pass protection, lack of a strong armed and highly accurate QB - did not allow this situation to unfold last year. And it is no different this year which means Evans' production would likely have been similar with the Bills. I think Nix recognized this and traded him not because he thought his value was that of only a 4th rounder, but because he felt that given the condition of the offense getting a 4th rounder next year is better than the ~ 40 catch production this year. Something that Nix must have felt Gailey can get by compensating with the other receivers on the team.
KOKBILLS Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 He wasnt ever going to have more impact than an avg #2 in buffalo so best luck to all parties. Well considering who the Bills have (and have had) at QB that may be true...We'll see how he does with a real NFL Passer...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I agree about the first part - he did not have good production last year and it is unreasonable to believe he would have this year with pretty much the same cast characters on the O. However, I am not with the camp that belittles him just because he can only go deep (not that I support that contention but let us go with that for now). Having a deep threat can be incredibly valuable if we have corresponding medium and short range threats also. If Roscoe ever fulfilled his potential and Stevie/a Tight End could cover the short to medium range, the offense would be multi-dimensional and potent. Evans could do his thing deep and defenses would be forced to account for that. For a myriad of reasons - lack of a good TE, lack of adequate pass protection, lack of a strong armed and highly accurate QB - did not allow this situation to unfold last year. And it is no different this year which means Evans' production would likely have been similar with the Bills. I think Nix recognized this and traded him not because he thought his value was that of only a 4th rounder, but because he felt that given the condition of the offense getting a 4th rounder next year is better than the ~ 40 catch production this year. Something that Nix must have felt Gailey can get by compensating with the other receivers on the team. I actually agree. I dont blame his lack of production on Lee. It was due to the offense he was on. However, it's also the fact that he can only do 1 thing that contributes to him being ineffective. It's just two different things that dont go well together: A deep threat, and a team with no OL and a game plan to use intermediate passes. This year it's the same offense, so it's just as well that he was traded for some type of compensation and sent to a winning franchise, instead of letting him rot out the last 2 years of his contract and walk away. I wish we had a better OL right now that would justify us keeping Evans. I wish for a lot of things for this team. But that's not reality.
Peter Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I had no problem trading Evans. I am not in love with him as some here are. He was a good second receiver who runs deep but will not go over the middle. My only problem with the trade was the fourth round pick. I have a hard time believing they could not have gotten at least a third for the guy if they waited. If we could not have gotten more than a fourth, was it worthwhile even trading him? If the stories of him wanting to be traded are correct, then I suppose the Bills were backed in a corner. Nevertheless, the recent history of this team trading guys (whom we picked with high picks) for lower round picks is very, very frustrating. Oh well. Go Bills.
CodeMonkey Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 It is still preseason... Now he has a better QB throwing him the rock and better coaches. His impact on this team wouldn't be as significant this year as it will be for Baltimore. Bingo!
DrDawkinstein Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I had no problem trading Evans. I am not in love with him as some here are. He was a good second receiver who runs deep but will not go over the middle. My only problem with the trade was the fourth round pick. I have a hard time believing they could not have gotten at least a third for the guy if they waited. If we could not have gotten more than a fourth, was it worthwhile even trading him? If the stories of him wanting to be traded are correct, then I suppose the Bills were backed in a corner. Nevertheless, the recent history of this team trading guys (whom we picked with high picks) for lower round picks is very, very frustrating. Oh well. Go Bills. The desperate Vikings gave up a 3rd for future HoFer Randy Moss. The Pats got him from the Raiders for a 4th. Ochocinco (a much more productive and respected WR) was traded out of a desperate situation for a 5th and 6th. Since you are already based in reality with your assessment of "He was a good second receiver who runs deep but will not go over the middle" HOW in the world do you expect the Bills to get anything higher than a 4th for him???
CodeMonkey Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Flaco Was all smiles with lee on sideline And why wouldn't he be with those 2 receivers to throw to.
metzelaars_lives Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I had no problem trading Evans. I am not in love with him as some here are. He was a good second receiver who runs deep but will not go over the middle. My only problem with the trade was the fourth round pick. I have a hard time believing they could not have gotten at least a third for the guy if they waited. If we could not have gotten more than a fourth, was it worthwhile even trading him? If the stories of him wanting to be traded are correct, then I suppose the Bills were backed in a corner. Nevertheless, the recent history of this team trading guys (whom we picked with high picks) for lower round picks is very, very frustrating. Oh well. Go Bills. That was his market value. If you're suggesting they could've gotten a 3rd for Lee Evans, that simply wasn't possible. Maybe, MAYBE if they wait until week 5 and a team gets a rash of injuries, but other than that no way. I actually thought there was a chance it might've been a 5th after I heard he was on the block.
CodeMonkey Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 I had no problem trading Evans. I am not in love with him as some here are. He was a good second receiver who runs deep but will not go over the middle. He did last night. Just sayin.
Coach Tuesday Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) Marvin Harrison wouldn't go over the middle either. He was a similar player to Evans, with less speed. In addition to the wheel route, Harrison excelled at moving the chains by running curls and outs towards the sidelines. Evans runs those same routes fantastically well. He's not just a "deep threat." Harrison put up Hall of Fame numbers without crossing the middle of the field. Evans would've done the same with competent coaching and QB play. He has a chance to salvage his career in Baltimore and I wish him the best of luck. The notion that this team is better off without him is a farce. Edited August 26, 2011 by Coach Tuesday
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 That was his market value. If you're suggesting they could've gotten a 3rd for Lee Evans, that simply wasn't possible. Maybe, MAYBE if they wait until week 5 and a team gets a rash of injuries, but other than that no way. I actually thought there was a chance it might've been a 5th after I heard he was on the block. Yep. In today's market, WRs and RBs are commodity positions and thus their value has a lower ceiling. Teams tend to find productive players at these positions later in the draft and even off the street every year. (As often posted, some find it quite frustrating that the Bills have spent so many 1st and 2nd round picks at these positions.)
DrDawkinstein Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 Marvin Harrison wouldn't go over the middle either. He was a similar player to Evans, with less speed. In addition to the wheel route, Harrison excelled at moving the chains by running curls and outs towards the sidelines. Evans runs those same routes fantastically well. He's not just a "deep threat." Harrison put up Hall of Fame numbers without crossing the middle of the field. Evans would've done the same with competent coaching and QB play. He has a chance to salvage his career in Baltimore and I wish him the best of luck. The notion that this team is better off without him is a farce. I dont think many people are saying "we are better without him". What Im saying is "we're just as bad with him".
Fan in Chicago Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 And why wouldn't he be with those 2 receivers to throw to. .... and that good OL to protect him while he sits back for a few seconds thinking about who he should throw to.
Coach Tuesday Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) I dont think many people are saying "we are better without him". What Im saying is "we're just as bad with him". Honestly, I've grown tired of that argument. It gets trotted out every time we lose any player. Is there any player on the Bills that would make a difference, by himself, in the W/L record? That can't be the only response we're able to summon when a guy leaves... Edited August 26, 2011 by Coach Tuesday
Billsrhody Posted August 26, 2011 Posted August 26, 2011 (edited) He did last night. Just sayin. The TD he caught was the exact same deep route hes been running for his whole career. Lee Evans is not going to suddenly explode into a do everything "Steve Smith in his prime" kind of receiver. Edited August 26, 2011 by Billsrhody
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