John from Riverside Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 2nd play on offense, he and chandler (both share responsibility on this) on the right side to cause a scramble by fitz 2nd qtr, 5:24 left, both Bell and Pears got beat on the edge (this was the play that they called roughing the passer on) 2nd qtr, 6:17 left, Pears got beat around the edge (but Spiller's missed blitz pickup got to the QB first) He had some decent plays (like a run block on the 5th play of the game), and played better than Bell, but he has some issues with speedy edge guys. He tends to chip them outside, but doesn't keep his body positioning with them, leaving the area behind the QB ripe for the taking. If it weren't for Bell/Spiller's screw ups, they would have gotten to the QB shortly after. Not disputing you Blue....just giving my perception. On on the 2nd play from scrimmage the TE takes the DE wide and Pears responsiblity is to be there in case the DE goes wide then uses a spin move back to the inside....if he does this Pears is in perfect position In the 2nd quarter with 6:17 left this was the play wher Fitz pass got deflected at the line....there was NO pressure from the right side on that play....actually the right side of the line did their job fairly well while there was a lot of pressure on the left. Are you sure you are not talking about the play where Fitz got hit by DJ Williams? Even then that is not pressure.....Pears pushed his man up field past Fitz and he had RB help that didnt even need to do anything on that play. Of the three you mentioned 2nd quarter at 5:24 is the only one where Pears got cleanly beat.... I think what might be the problem is we have different definitions of "getting beat".....offensive linemen are not going to stone their men at the line of scrimmage when taking an outside rush......OT's "ride" their defensive assignment out and behind the QB and it is the QB's responsibility to step up into the pocket to avoid that pressure.....if they do ride the DL out they DID THEIR JOB. When critiqing Pears there they only complaint I would have is I would like to see him ride the DE out in a little wider loop so that there is no chance of having long arms and reaching from behind to try to hurry or strip the ball.....but this is why Pears is doing his job but not dominating......a dominate OT would have pushed the DE a bit further away....but rest assured OT's are taught to allow a DE's forward momentum to carry them out of the play and then the DE loops around and tries to catch the QB from the backside working back up but by this time the QB should have read through his progressions.....gotten rid of the ball....our taken off on a scramble. Trust me on this....in his instance I know what I am talking about.
Scrappy Posted August 22, 2011 Author Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) Do you consider us all set on the O-line?? You keep making presentations / excuses that our O-lines' continuing failures can be corrected, so when is this supposed to happen? We're bringing basically the same group back after a 4-12 campaign, so when are these failures to be addressed. I understand that the Bills will make adjustments during the game, your drum beating is understood to that effect but the reality is the Bills are lacking talent at OT & don't have any depth. What do we do if there is a injury, add another talentless backup then? The Bills need to prepare by contacting all available OT & doing their homework now, time is ticking. Not disputing you Blue....just giving my perception. On on the 2nd play from scrimmage the TE takes the DE wide and Pears responsiblity is to be there in case the DE goes wide then uses a spin move back to the inside....if he does this Pears is in perfect position In the 2nd quarter with 6:17 left this was the play wher Fitz pass got deflected at the line....there was NO pressure from the right side on that play....actually the right side of the line did their job fairly well while there was a lot of pressure on the left. Are you sure you are not talking about the play where Fitz got hit by DJ Williams? Even then that is not pressure.....Pears pushed his man up field past Fitz and he had RB help that didnt even need to do anything on that play. Of the three you mentioned 2nd quarter at 5:24 is the only one where Pears got cleanly beat.... I think what might be the problem is we have different definitions of "getting beat".....offensive linemen are not going to stone their men at the line of scrimmage when taking an outside rush......OT's "ride" their defensive assignment out and behind the QB and it is the QB's responsibility to step up into the pocket to avoid that pressure.....if they do ride the DL out they DID THEIR JOB. When critiqing Pears there they only complaint I would have is I would like to see him ride the DE out in a little wider loop so that there is no chance of having long arms and reaching from behind to try to hurry or strip the ball.....but this is why Pears is doing his job but not dominating......a dominate OT would have pushed the DE a bit further away....but rest assured OT's are taught to allow a DE's forward momentum to carry them out of the play and then the DE loops around and tries to catch the QB from the backside working back up but by this time the QB should have read through his progressions.....gotten rid of the ball....our taken off on a scramble. Trust me on this....in his instance I know what I am talking about. Edited August 22, 2011 by Scrappy
CBD Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) I understand that the offensive line played bad. No excuses for that. Maybe we'll sign a veteran to take Pears' spot and move Hangartner back to center, Wood back to guard. But my point is the pre season can be very deceiving. Never get too high, very get too low. Honestly, I had no problems with anything Urbik or Pears did during their time in the game. The poor play seemed to come from the 3 that many have the most faith in (Bell, Levitre, & Wood). Wood got blown up on multiple occasions. Not disputing you Blue....just giving my perception. On on the 2nd play from scrimmage the TE takes the DE wide and Pears responsiblity is to be there in case the DE goes wide then uses a spin move back to the inside....if he does this Pears is in perfect position Can't say for certain because we obviously don't know how their protections work or what type of protection was called, but since the DE went outside of Chandler and he was staying as a pass protector it would typically be his man 1-on-1. Pears has a responsibility to his area and has to make sure there is nothing coming late to his gap (stunt/blitz). If nothing shows he can try to help, like he did, but Chandler getting burned screwed that play. Also, after rewatching the play, on the play action Bailey was fooled and takes two steps towards the line of scrimmage post snap in what appears to be a blitz look before retreating into coverage. Pears had to stay home to cover for that blitz that did not come. Edited August 22, 2011 by Carey Bender
Turbosrrgood Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 (edited) I am going to start with positives. Our D-line might have turned into the biggest strength on our team. KW and Dareus look unstoppable and Carrington shows promise. We even have solid depth. Spencer Johnson has looked way better than I have ever seen him, and Heard looks very deserving of a roster spot (playing DE too). Notice I didn't mention Troup... Also, our starting LB's look very solid. Barnett (yes he had one big wiff in that game, but still looks good) and Davis are looking like a pretty good MLB tandem. No depth behind them, but solid starters. Rahim Moore is a a dirt bag. I thought he should have been flagged for ripping off Spillers helmet long after the play was over. THEN he landed the very dirty hit on Jones, who had no chance to catch the ball anyway. I generally don't like the "defenseless receiver rule" but this is exactly what that rule is there for. DIRT BAG. For all of those who think Bell is "good" or a "quality" starter. I beg you to watch the Broncos game again. He literally got beat on EVERY play, regardless of who he was matched up against. The interception by Fitz SHOULD have been caught by Easley, but he would have had more time to throw had Bell not been beaten like a red headed step child. I haven't seen that kind of beating given to an OL since Winston Justice against the Giants... Torbor...does not deserve to be on an NFL roster. I thought he was bad on the Giants (many of my friends and family are g-men fans, so I end up watching most of those games). He looked bad in limited action last year. He looked AWFUL against the broncos. Look at every big play that occurred when Torbor was on the field, and you will realize it was HIS man. He may be the slowest player on the team, can't break blocks, can't tackle, and can't cover...Give me anyone else. McKelvin...Why are they trying to force him into starting? He has already proven that he struggles in that role. McGee is healthy, he is heads over heals better. Play him. Also on that note...Is it me or does McGee look huge this year? I remember him looking like a fairly small player, he looks bulked up and ripped now. Our O-line? Well Urbik was our best OL against the Broncos...enough said. Edited August 22, 2011 by Turbosrrgood
Scrappy Posted August 22, 2011 Author Posted August 22, 2011 I am going to start with positives. Our D-line might have turned into the biggest strength on our team. KW and Dareus look unstoppable and Carrington shows promise. We even have solid depth. Spencer Johnson has looked way better than I have ever seen him, and Heard looks very deserving of a roster spot (playing DE too). Notice I didn't mention Troup... Also, our starting LB's look very solid. Barnett (yes he had one big wiff in that game, but still looks good) and Davis are looking like a pretty good MLB tandem. No depth behind them, but solid starters. Rahim Moore is a a dirt bag. I thought he should have been flagged for ripping off Spillers helmet long after the play was over. THEN he landed the very dirty hit on Jones, who had no chance to catch the ball anyway. I generally don't like the "defenseless receiver rule" but this is exactly what that rule is there for. DIRT BAG. For all of those who think Bell is "good" or a "quality" starter. I beg you to watch the Broncos game again. He literally got beat on EVERY play, regardless of who he was matched up against. The interception by Fitz SHOULD have been caught by Easley, but he would have had more time to throw had Bell not been beaten like a red headed step child. I haven't seen that kind of beating given to an OL since Winston Justice against the Giants... Torbor...does not deserve to be on an NFL roster. I thought he was bad on the Giants (many of my friends and family are g-men fans, so I end up watching most of those games). He looked bad in limited action last year. He looked AWFUL against the broncos. Look at every big play that occurred when Torbor was on the field, and you will realize it was HIS man. He may be the slowest player on the team, can't break blocks, can't tackle, and can't cover...Give me anyone else. McKelvin...Why are they trying to force him into starting? He has already proven that he struggles in that role. McGee is healthy, he is heads over heals better. Play him. Also on that note...Is it me or does McGee look huge this year? I remember him looking like a fairly small player, he looks bulked up and ripped now. Our O-line? Well Urbik was our best OL against the Broncos...enough said. McKelvin became expendable when the kickoff was moved up, you just need a sure handed guy or a good breeze for a touchback nearly every time.
John from Riverside Posted August 22, 2011 Posted August 22, 2011 Do you consider us all set on the O-line?? You keep making presentations / excuses that our O-lines' continuing failures can be corrected, so when is this supposed to happen? We're bringing basically the same group back after a 4-12 campaign, so when are these failures to be addressed. I understand that the Bills will make adjustments during the game, your drum beating is understood to that effect but the reality is the Bills are lacking talent at OT & don't have any depth. What do we do if there is a injury, add another talentless backup then? The Bills need to prepare by contacting all available OT & doing their homework now, time is ticking. I dont expect you to go back through and read my prior posts scrappy but if you did you will see that I am not happy with our OL depth at all.....because we dont have any.....we are in serious trouble if we had to rely on Wrotto, Howard, or Wang for ANY length of time. I would like to see them at the very least go out and get a veteran utility linemen that can play RG and RT....if possibly even two...the fact that Levitre is out there today taking reps at LT when he took them at C last week shows that even the bills dont have faith in their backup players. BUT.....I am ok with Bell and Pears as starters....Pears has done nothing to prove that he CANT handle his RT spot....and Bell...while inconsistant...has done well against good pass rusher. Saturdays game may possibly be the worst I have ever seen D. Bell play.....in a game if he struggled he would get help on that side. In short....I am not concerned about the starters minus Urbik....who I think should be replaced by Rhinehart as soon as possible or a bring in Brian Waters.....but if we take any kind of injurys (which we always seem to do) this group will get Fitz killed.
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