Rubes Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 We certainly seem to have a problem picking good ones and/or holding on to them. 2000 Erik Flowers - BUST 2001 Nate Clements - GONE 2002 Mike Williams - BUST 2003 Willis McGahee - GONE 2004 Lee Evans - GONE 2004 J.P. Losman - BUST 2005 No 1st Round Pick 2006 Donte Whitner - GONE 2006 John McCargo - BUST 2007 Marshawn Lynch - GONE 2008 Leodis McKelvin - ??? 2009a Aaron Maybin - BUST, SOON GONE 2009b Eric Wood 2010 C.J. Spiller 2011 Marcell Dareus Ugh. No reason, really. Just thought I'd brighten your day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 you might as well put the remaining rounds up there too...not many bright sposts there either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 If ever there was a written definition of EPIC FAIL, that would be it. Nauseating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 So why have the Bills been so bad: only one starter from the first round picks of the last eleven years (not including Dareus). You don't build teams through Free Agent signings, you do it throug the draft . . . obviously something we have not done. Go no further than this list to explain the results of the last 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 We certainly seem to have a problem picking good ones and/or holding on to them. 2000 Erik Flowers - BUST 2001 Nate Clements - GONE 2002 Mike Williams - BUST 2003 Willis McGahee - GONE 2004 Lee Evans - GONE 2004 J.P. Losman - BUST 2005 No 1st Round Pick 2006 Donte Whitner - GONE 2006 John McCargo - BUST 2007 Marshawn Lynch - GONE 2008 Leodis McKelvin - ??? 2009a Aaron Maybin - BUST, SOON GONE 2009b Eric Wood 2010 C.J. Spiller 2011 Marcell Dareus Ugh. No reason, really. Just thought I'd brighten your day. Frightening. And sad. That sums up exactly why this team has been awful for a decade and counting. But it's a new season now. Anything can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FistingBot Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Well at least Modrak is finally gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Where's that thread which lists all the heart-breaking losses since the late nineties? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekertesz88 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 :wallbash: I didn't realize it was possible to love and hate something so much at the same time :wallbash: At least we can find those undrafted guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 :wallbash: I didn't realize it was possible to love and hate something so much at the same time :wallbash: At least we can find those undrafted guys Actually you do bring up an interesting point. Our scouts can't be that terrible; when it comes to the undrafted FAs we tend to do pretty good with them. If they can identify them, they should be able to identify draftable talent as well. Our decision makers have been pathetic. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how many of our scouts have been replaced? I recall seeing we added some more but were some actually let go as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Check out the Patriots draftees during the same time, please; maybe the perspective will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekertesz88 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Actually you do bring up an interesting point. Our scouts can't be that terrible; when it comes to the undrafted FAs we tend to do pretty good with them. If they can identify them, they should be able to identify draftable talent as well. Our decision makers have been pathetic. Out of curiosity, does anyone know how many of our scouts have been replaced? I recall seeing we added some more but were some actually let go as well? I think I read somewhere that some were let go as well around the time Modrak was, but I can't be sure. I agree that the decision makers may really have been more the issue than the actual scouts. Just think about all those "inside" stories we read about how Witner was drafted because Dick really " needed" that safety to run his cover two, or how we drafted Maybin even though Modrak was pushing hard for matthews(or was it Cushing? Orackpo?) But got overruled in the draft room. Systemic flaws in the decision making process during those years. Hopefully Buddy takes Chan's opinion into account, but trusts what his scouts are telling him about players. Still too early to tell with last years class really getting kinda stunted with injuries and talent in front of them, but I kinda think the drafting has been better the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clancynut Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 How many TBD posters could have done a better job with first round draft choices than the Bills over the past ten years using only draft guides? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 How many TBD posters could have done a better job with first round draft choices than the Bills over the past ten years using only draft guides? Okay, fair enough. I'm no Kiper, but I'll play. I would have picked Ngata. I was totally sold on Ngata. Whitner hit me like a brick in the mouth. Change that ONE pick, and this whole post falls apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 The sad thing about this is anyone posting on this board could have done better if given the chance. Hell, you'd do better than this by just buying a draft magazine and picking who they say you should draft. Incompetence on this level seems almost deliberate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffMuff Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Okay, fair enough. I'm no Kiper, but I'll play. I would have picked Ngata. I was totally sold on Ngata. Whitner hit me like a brick in the mouth. Change that ONE pick, and this whole post falls apart. I agree, our run defense sucked that year (and since). I thought for sure it was Ngata, he really fit a need too. FO too smart for itself that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 You are very generous to not lable McGahee as a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaPolian8693 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 (edited) Here are their 2nd rounders: 2000 - Travaris Tillman 2001 - Aaron Schobel 2002 - Josh Reed 2003 - Chris Kelsay 2005 - Roscoe Parrish 2007 - Paul Posluzny 2008 - James Hardy 2009 - Jairus Byrd 2009 - Andy Levitre 2010 - Torell Troup 2011 - Aaron Williams If you take away the first round, the Bills aren't terrible drafters. They just get so many good picks, because they are so bad year in and year out, and they manage to miss on them so often. It's a painful, painful cycle. Edited August 13, 2011 by NaPolian8693 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clancynut Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Here are their 2nd rounders: 2000 - Travaris Tillman 2001 - Aaron Schobel 2002 - Josh Reed 2003 - Chris Kelsay 2005 - Roscoe Parrish 2007 - Paul Posluzny 2008 - James Hardy 2009 - Jairus Byrd 2009 - Andy Levitre 2010 - Torell Troup 2011 - Aaron Williams If you take away the first round, the Bills aren't terrible drafters. They just get so many good picks, because they are so bad year in and year out, and they manage to miss on them so often. It's a painful, painful cycle. Interesting summary it makes you wonder who has had the final decision in who first round draft choice will be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineMoxie Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Interesting summary it makes you wonder who has had the final decision in who first round draft choice will be? Good point. The second rounders have been more successful than the first rounders (not that they're all fantastic, but still...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 I think you should just focus on the busts. The decisions to let solid or good first rounds go is not an indication of terrible drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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