BillsFanM.D. Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 Tom Modrak is Satan's spawn & he drinks baby's blood. We could get a Modrak vs. Donahoe thing here....in the theme of Alien vs. Predator.
Beerball Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 We could get a Modrak vs. Donahoe thing here....in the theme of Alien vs. Predator. Or, we could say that Modrak is the spawn of Satan's spawn since Donahoe was his daddy.
San Jose Bills Fan Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 We could get a Modrak vs. Donahoe thing here....in the theme of Alien vs. Predator. Like I said, for NFL players, the difference between 31 and "35 or 36" is pretty huge. I'd bet that most of us here could name the age of most of the NFL stars within 2-3 years. Now that Modrak's gone, it's become fashionable to blame Nix for our recent drafting "aarors." No need to compare Modrak to Donahoe… no need to go back that far. But if we do, Modrak seemed like a bigger guy so my money is on him over old Whitey.
GaryPinC Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 Didn't defend modrak, simply said it was silly to get worked up about a college scout not being able to quote every vet players age. As far as scouting we really have no idea what his role in it all was. I suspect he was an ok scout with very little pull in the room (whether he went hands off or had things taken from him) and we are better off to have cleaned house. If that's sticking up for the guy, I dunno what to tell you. I look at Modrak's role this way: there has been a history of poor early round drafting for a decade or so. No matter who's making the choice it's being pulled from Modrak's draft rankings/talent evaluation. You could argue that the draft decision maker ignored Modrak's board, but every damn year? You could argue that Modrak disagreed with each poor draft decision in the early rounds but the bust that got picked had to have been top-ranked by Modrak at their position most of the time. Would Ralph consistently spend first/early round money on guys that could be drafted later for less $? Mr. Wilson's inability to judge front-office talent forces him to blindly latch on to people hired from successful organizations, that's why it takes so long to root out their incompetence.
DDD Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 he actually had vick's age as 31 on the board but jauron, ralph, donahoe and marv all had the final call. not his fault.
Jauronimo Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 Modrak didn't mean 35 or 36 in actual years, but in prison adjusted years. 2 years in Fed Pen is like 4 or 5 years on the outside depending on the frequency and severity of sexual assault. Citing age in prison adjusted years is a common practice amongst NFL scouts, and is accepted industry jargon. By all accounts Modrak was right and Vick did age quickly in prison, as evidenced by this anonymous quote from a source deep within the Eagles organization "Mike still doesn't shower with the team. He waits until everyone is out of there to shower, and most of the time he wears his jeans."
NoSaint Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 (edited) I look at Modrak's role this way: there has been a history of poor early round drafting for a decade or so. No matter who's making the choice it's being pulled from Modrak's draft rankings/talent evaluation. You could argue that the draft decision maker ignored Modrak's board, but every damn year? You could argue that Modrak disagreed with each poor draft decision in the early rounds but the bust that got picked had to have been top-ranked by Modrak at their position most of the time. Would Ralph consistently spend first/early round money on guys that could be drafted later for less $? Mr. Wilson's inability to judge front-office talent forces him to blindly latch on to people hired from successful organizations, that's why it takes so long to root out their incompetence. Roughly agree. But if they came and said "and the DE with best first step?" "well that's maybin but he's far riskier than orakpo" would be a fair assessment... I agree the record is ridiculously long and he's obviously not off the hook either way, but it's never been his final call clearly, so we have no idea how to rate him. He stuck around for a long time and is regarded around the league so odds are he wasn't quite as awful as we pin on him. Doesn't make him good though. Just being objective with what we know vs what we think. It was definitely time turn the page though. Edited August 9, 2011 by NoSaint
GaryPinC Posted August 9, 2011 Posted August 9, 2011 Roughly agree. But if they came and said "and the DE with best first step?" "well that's maybin but he's far riskier than orakpo" would be a fair assessment... I agree the record is ridiculously long and he's obviously not off the hook either way, but it's never been his final call clearly, so we have no idea how to rate him. He stuck around for a long time and is regarded around the league so odds are he wasn't quite as awful as we pin on him. Doesn't make him good though. Just being objective with what we know vs what we think. It was definitely time turn the page though. I agree that situations similar to the hypothetical Maybin scenario came up, but IMO don't think it explains 10 years of high round futility. Definitely agree it was time to turn the page and would just add that Buddy seemed to regard Modrak highly when he became GM then fired him about a year later.
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 I agree that situations similar to the hypothetical Maybin scenario came up, but IMO don't think it explains 10 years of high round futility. Definitely agree it was time to turn the page and would just add that Buddy seemed to regard Modrak highly when he became GM then fired him about a year later. Well, he also had him scout the Midwest and Northeast last year, as was evident from the way the Bills draft unfolded.
GaryPinC Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Well, he also had him scout the Midwest and Northeast last year, as was evident from the way the Bills draft unfolded. That's funny. Did Buddy even bother to fill that position after Modrak left?
birdog1960 Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 did carucci call him on it? if not, he's doing his job about as well as modrak did his.
mattsox Posted August 10, 2011 Posted August 10, 2011 Modrak. Him and Matt Millen should manage a football team together. They could get Jauron to be the Head Coach. SOunds like a winning team, right??
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