BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) no I did not. I did not feel the need to do so. and honestly me believe you? LOL blame the BS in the PPP (and elsewhere) You can hammer away with equations all day long, but IMO to think we are alone is being closed minded. have a nice day Edited March 10, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Quote
4merper4mer Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 no I did not. I did not feel the need to do so. and honestly me believe you? LOL blame the BS in the PPP (and elsewhere) You can hammer away with equations all day long, but IMO to think we are alone is being closed minded. have a nice day LOL I think being closed minded is refusing to read something which may refute, or in this case clearly refutes, one's opinions/wishful thinking. The cherry on top is attempting to bash those assertions by putting forth material that actually reinforces them. Congrats. Quote
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) I'm sorry you are upset I won't go back through 28 pages of silliness to read your post with the math equations. Math is useful, but it can also lead to GROSS errors if done improperly. Edited March 10, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Quote
4merper4mer Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) I'm sorry you are upset I won't go back through 28 pages of silliness to read your post with the math equations. Math is useful, but it can also lead to GROSS errors if done improperly. I don't care WTH you do. I'm perfectly happy for you to allow yourself to look like a fool. First by having the aliens are real fantasy, next by not knowing how to search a simple web board and third by bolstering my very argument while you're trying to refute it. It all adds up to a decent chuckle with a hint of sadness embedded. Edited March 10, 2015 by 4merper4mer Quote
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) I don't care WTH you do. yet you reply over and over and over I apologize - back on topic alien on ocean floor Edited March 10, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Quote
4merper4mer Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 yet you reply over and over and over You responded to me initially and then used snippets from a sitcom to make your point about math. I was just trying to help rescue you from the inevitable sadness that comes with such poor reasoning. At some point you'll discover the folly of this weird alien belief and be shattered. The sooner the better I guess especially since simple math demonstrates this. Whatever I guess. Quote
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) That sitcom discusses real theories. Please take it up with Doctor Drake and not some idiot on the internet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation The Drake equation is: where: N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which radio-communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone); and R* = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations) fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space Edited March 10, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Quote
FireChan Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 That sitcom discusses real theories. Please take it up with Doctor Drake and not some idiot on the internet. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation The Drake equation is: where: N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which radio-communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone); and R* = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations) fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space N equals 1 though. Quote
4merper4mer Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) N equals 1 though. The simplistic formula dressed up with a pretty name, fancy letters and a guest spot on a sitcom where some people get their understanding of math and science falls flat on its face. Why? R and fp are pretty well known ne is becoming more clear and is a pretty good fraction for alien hopefuls fc should be high.... almost 1.0. What would stop a viable civilization from developing communications? L is rendered moot by the length of time the universe is known to have existed. This means that by definition either fl or fi is ZEEEEEEERRRRROOOOOOO I tend to think it is fl myself, but one of them is zero.....or whatever small fraction accounts for Earth by itself. Clearly: R* * fp * ne has pretty much already proven itself to be an incredibly high number...almost beyond our ability to comprehend. We know that there has been an amount of time which has passed since the birth of the universe which is also beyond our comprehension so R * fp * ne * L * ne should basically be infinity * infinity * some number near 1. Now consider that these wonderful alien societies were in fact sending signals. They wouldn't be sending just one signal each. Drake forgot about that. They'd be sending lots of signals. So now we're looking at infinity*infinity*infinity*some number near 1. Yet a grand total of zero signals have been detected. If fl and fi were even .001 each, there would still be billions and billions and billions of signals out there but.....nope. By definition one of those numbers is zero. It is proven whether you or me or anyone else likes it or not. Sorry dreamers. No aliens, just us. So N does in fact equal 1. Edited March 10, 2015 by 4merper4mer Quote
4merper4mer Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 By the way Drake..........Bazinga. Maybe next time someone can get a clip from ALF or Far Out Space Nuts to make their case. Quote
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 DEFINE LIFE? Micro organisms = life Quote
4merper4mer Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) DEFINE LIFE? Micro organisms = life You are changing your tune again in an attempt to revive an argument which you have clearly lost. What does a microorganism have to do with your sitcom theory? You are the one who brought that up. Now that is has been shot down you are reaching for the reset button. Lol. To answer what I think is your poorly worded question, I stated and proved that either fl or fi is zero. I lean in the direction of fl being zero but could be wrong. Either way at least one of them is very close to zero and Earth is the exception's exception in the universe. If you are going to start your argument from the ground up pick a better sitcom next time. Edited March 11, 2015 by 4merper4mer Quote
ChevyVanMiller Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 You are changing your tune again in an attempt to revive an argument which you have clearly lost. What does a microorganism have to do with your sitcom theory? You are the one who brought that up. Now that is has been shot down you are reaching for the reset button. Lol. To answer what I think is your poorly worded question, I stated and proved that either fl or fi is zero. I lean in the direction of fl being zero but could be wrong. Either way at least one of them is very close to zero and Earth is the exception's exception in the universe. If you are going to start your argument from the ground up pick a better sitcom next time. Well, this one clearly shows an alien interacting with iconic characters from not one, but two classic sitcoms. Quote
4merper4mer Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Random You misfired on the thread. Too much wine? Quote
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) You are changing your tune again in an attempt to revive an argument which you have clearly lost. What does a microorganism have to do with your sitcom theory? You are the one who brought that up. Now that is has been shot down you are reaching for the reset button. Lol. To answer what I think is your poorly worded question, I stated and proved that either fl or fi is zero. I lean in the direction of fl being zero but could be wrong. Either way at least one of them is very close to zero and Earth is the exception's exception in the universe. If you are going to start your argument from the ground up pick a better sitcom next time. LOL Keep up the horrible work Crayonz microorganism = life , sitcom mentioned Math equation of life on other planets Ignore Troll Mode - ON Edited March 11, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Quote
4merper4mer Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 LOL Keep up the horrible work Crayonz microorganism = life , sitcom mentioned Math equation of life on other planets Troll Ignore Mode on LOL so then I guess you think Fi equals zero. Thanks for agreeing with 99.99% of my argument. Personally I think it is Fl but the end result is the same. Either that or you didn't even read your own post from the sitcom: N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which radio-communication might be possible That is directly from your post and your stellar source the sitcom probably written by pot heads. It does not stop at life simply existing in microorganism form. It goes all the way to communicating with Earth. Not only has math proven you wrong. Your OWN math has proven you wrong. I'll put you down as an Fi disbeliever not an Fl disbeliever. Even if you don't understand the difference, that is what you are. No biggie. You could be right. I'm sorry to disappoint you but no aliens will be popping in to save us. On the plus side, you don't have to hide under the blanket when you watch Independence Day anymore. Quote
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 my last post to you on this topic because you have made math assumption based on your beliefs and not fact Did you ever answer this - Is their proof of or lack there of proof that GOD (a higher power) exists? Let me use a simple tried and true analogy WRT radio-communication If a tree falls in the woods does it make a sound if no one is there to hear it? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence Quote
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