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8 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Enceladus has the water underneath. Both have a crust of ice.

also of note:

 

where Enceladus resides, Saturn's 'E' ring is filled with oxygen atoms. probably a result of the geysers spewing water and that breaking down into hydrogen and oxygen.

 

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Titan is known is have water oceans. while mostly frozen, there is evidence of stable liquid bodies on the surface, along with a dense atmosphere.

 

Jupiter's Io has what is thought to be volcanoes.

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water vapor has been detected around Europa.

 

 

just within our own solar system, it seems apparent that certain ingredients necessary for life as we understand it are abundant within even the most inhospitable of places.

 

 

 

Posted
15 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

From a purely scientific viewpoint, that is yet another great discovery.  

 

As far as a step in finding life, it simply isn't one.  These tidally locked planets are 100% day on one side and 100% night on the other.  The regions for liquid water are very narrow.  But those aren't the big issues.  The red giants they surround are often active and spew radiation far and wide.  This one doesn't at the moment but may have in the past or may in the future.  The biggest issue is that these planets don't spin meaning the either have a very weak magnetosphere or none at all.  Their atmospheres are either gone or on their way to being gone.

 

Habitable is defined very broadly by these charlatans.  Oh look, it has 2 of the 5000 prerequisites.  It's habitable.  That's a joke.

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Top-secret UFO files could ‘gravely damage’ US national security, Navy says

 

Last year, the Navy for the first time acknowledged that three UFO videos -- one from the 2004 USS Nimitz incident and two from 2015 -- were real videos of unidentified flying objects.

 

Responding to Vice's Freedom of Information Act request, the Navy said it had "discovered certain briefing slides that are classified TOP SECRET. A review of these materials indicates that are currently and appropriate Marked and Classified TOP SECRET under Executive Order 13526 and the Originial Classification Authority has determined that release of these materials would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/top-secret-ufo-files-gravely-damage-us-national-security

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On 1/8/2020 at 2:55 PM, Foxx said:

let's see... we have ventured to one other planet and surprise, surprise... we found life.  in a logical manner of thinking, this would say that the universe is teeming with life, of all kinds.

 

 

We have ventured to more than one planet, several moons and planets in fact. And we have found no life. If we had, it would be the biggest biological discovery ever. I would love for your assertion  to be true but saying it so incorrectly yet confidently makes you look foolish, like you believe in a fantasy and then go out and say it's a fact. It isn't. At all. 

 

I don't agree with Crayonz's confidence but right now we have no evidence of life anywhere but here. None. Nada. Zero. 

 

Chemicals in a comet are not life. 

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On 1/10/2020 at 12:22 AM, LeGOATski said:

 

Exoplanet research is the coolest thing anyone is doing right now. Can't wait to see what our tic-tac probes find there.

 

 "Look we found another planet," is not that cool any more. Lots of stars have lots of planets. We glean very little about them from this distance unfortunately. 

Posted
1 hour ago, John Adams said:

 

 "Look we found another planet," is not that cool any more. Lots of stars have lots of planets. We glean very little about them from this distance unfortunately. 

 

I think it is pretty cool but understand what you mean.  They are finding new types of planets at times and all of these things are tiny little pieces in a billion piece jigsaw.  I admire this methodical work and it is using the limits of our current technology which is also cool to learn about.  It is becoming repetitive at a high level, no doubt, but we are learning new things.

 

The hype machine that spits out headlines like "most Earth like planet ever just discovered" is boring for sure.  There really hasn't been an extrasolar Earth like planet discovered at all.  If we discovered Venus in a solar system 100 light years away, it would be the most Earth like planet ever discovered, Mars would be a close second.  This latest discovery is so far behind Mars and Venus it's like a jogger trying to compete in the Indy 500, but is painted differently.

 

Assuming an 80 year life span, people are impatient and want some discovery on their timeline.  That's ok IMO because it pushes things.  If we were searching for the cancer cure, and never found it, but gradually cured everything else, that would be cool.  Unlike finding aliens, we may find the cure for cancer, but it is the best comparison I could find.  Searching for non-existent aliens will have side benefits.  Not too long from now, we'll be equipped to fulfill Von Neumann's observations which will be a step for us and hopefully lay to rest the need to imagine aliens as a reason for exploration.

Posted
4 hours ago, John Adams said:

 

 "Look we found another planet," is not that cool any more. Lots of stars have lots of planets. We glean very little about them from this distance unfortunately. 

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3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

 

I think it is pretty cool but understand what you mean.  They are finding new types of planets at times and all of these things are tiny little pieces in a billion piece jigsaw.  I admire this methodical work and it is using the limits of our current technology which is also cool to learn about.  It is becoming repetitive at a high level, no doubt, but we are learning new things.

 

The hype machine that spits out headlines like "most Earth like planet ever just discovered" is boring for sure.  There really hasn't been an extrasolar Earth like planet discovered at all.  If we discovered Venus in a solar system 100 light years away, it would be the most Earth like planet ever discovered, Mars would be a close second.  This latest discovery is so far behind Mars and Venus it's like a jogger trying to compete in the Indy 500, but is painted differently.

 

Assuming an 80 year life span, people are impatient and want some discovery on their timeline.  That's ok IMO because it pushes things.  If we were searching for the cancer cure, and never found it, but gradually cured everything else, that would be cool.  Unlike finding aliens, we may find the cure for cancer, but it is the best comparison I could find.  Searching for non-existent aliens will have side benefits.  Not too long from now, we'll be equipped to fulfill Von Neumann's observations which will be a step for us and hopefully lay to rest the need to imagine aliens as a reason for exploration.

 

Yeah--I'm not saying we should give up. But there's not a lot coming out of this as exoplanet excitement right now besides, "Look another one." We're up around 4000 of these. The 4001st isn't that interesting. 

 

The spectroscopy studies, and that's pretty much going to be the extent of any knowledge we gain about these planets in our lifetimes, will be limited to a knowledge of some of the chemicals in atmosphere. Good to know for science, but sadly it will be little to answer the big questions about life on other planets. 

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8 hours ago, ALF said:

Top-secret UFO files could ‘gravely damage’ US national security, Navy says

 

Last year, the Navy for the first time acknowledged that three UFO videos -- one from the 2004 USS Nimitz incident and two from 2015 -- were real videos of unidentified flying objects.

 

Responding to Vice's Freedom of Information Act request, the Navy said it had "discovered certain briefing slides that are classified TOP SECRET. A review of these materials indicates that are currently and appropriate Marked and Classified TOP SECRET under Executive Order 13526 and the Originial Classification Authority has determined that release of these materials would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/science/top-secret-ufo-files-gravely-damage-us-national-security

 

It's the secret of all secrets in modern society. People died for it. People were silenced to protect it. 

 

But it can't be kept secret any longer. The dam is about to... 

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One of my favorite sci-fi series, the Hyperion Cantos, covers the simulation idea pretty well. Entire worlds of physical simulation built by AI for a specific time period or place. Kinda like a more advanced and grander West World. That's a very realistic idea for the far far future.

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On 1/9/2020 at 9:48 AM, Foxx said:

Titan is known is have water oceans. while mostly frozen, there is evidence of stable liquid bodies on the surface, along with a dense atmosphere.

 

Jupiter's Io has what is thought to be volcanoes.

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Titan has methane oceans - too cold for water oceans.

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