CoachChuckDickerson Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 WHAT???? WHAT????? Are you !@#$ KIDDING ME? It doesnt matter who is behind a bad line? Wow... now i have officially heard it all. If you HAVE A BAD LINE, you NEED a mobile QB... Bledsoe, to be successful in this league, needs a solid 4 second pocket. He's not gonna get it. Interesting arguement? You mean a mobile QB gets sacked less than an immobile one? If that is what you think then maybe you should check some stats or watch some other games other than the Bills. 2002 sacks- Bledsoe, 16 games, 54 sacks. Right behind him Culpepper, 16 games, 47 sacks. 2003 sacks- Bledsoe, 16 games, 49 sacks. Right behind him Culpepper, 14 games, 37 sacks. I guess either Culpepper is a Statue too, or you are misinformed. I'll guess option 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxboro Mike Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Interesting arguement? You mean a mobile QB gets sacked less than an immobile one? 1026[/snapback] Ummm... YES!!!!! I realize this is may be a revolutionary discovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 DeeRay, based on what we've seen so far, you can take everything you know about our team's capabilities this year, write it down on a piece of paper, crumble it up and shove it up the ass of a fly. You have no idea if this is an 8-8 team with Bledsoe or anyone else, so I suggest maybe we give this team a chance to show what it's made of when the season counts instead of making some wild, off the wall, grand gesture based on two weeks of camp and one preseason game...a game, incidently, in which Bledsoe threw 4-6 and looked pretty damn solid. 585[/snapback] I....as I find myself doing a lot....have to agree with LA Billzfan here.... What is the worse that can happen? We can take a kid who has a ton of confidence and SHATTER IT.....that is what can happen..... What people just dont seem to get is that the future success of JP Losman is probably more important then ANY OTHER PLAYER ON THIS TEAM.....more then Eric Moulds, more then Lee Evans (you can find recievers) more then Travis Henry or Willis Magehee (you can find running backs) But what you CANNOT find are stud quarterbacks that can do it all.....we just used the highest draft pick on a Quarterback then this club has done since JIM KELLY...... And we want to take him out and toss him to the fricken wolves........why dont we wait and let the NFL game slow down for him a bit before we do this......everybody knows he is the starter next year...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Ummm... YES!!!!! I realize this is may be a revolutionary discovery. 1030[/snapback] As you love to say, stats don't lie. Maybe you want to read my posts a little closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 I....as I find myself doing a lot....have to agree with LA Billzfan here.... What is the worse that can happen? We can take a kid who has a ton of confidence and SHATTER IT.....that is what can happen..... What people just dont seem to get is that the future success of JP Losman is probably more important then ANY OTHER PLAYER ON THIS TEAM.....more then Eric Moulds, more then Lee Evans (you can find recievers) more then Travis Henry or Willis Magehee (you can find running backs) But what you CANNOT find are stud quarterbacks that can do it all.....we just used the highest draft pick on a Quarterback then this club has done since JIM KELLY...... And we want to take him out and toss him to the fricken wolves........why dont we wait and let the NFL game slow down for him a bit before we do this......everybody knows he is the starter next year...... 1033[/snapback] Buuuuuuuuut, right now we seem to have ALL the other tools. A great WR corp, and AWESOME defense all around, and special teams is finally looking strong. Our only weak point is the Oline. And when you have a QB who CANNOT move, that is a huge problem. The point is, right now we have a great, talented team. But if we "wait" for losman, the parity in football will take over again, and we will be back to the talent level of the 3-13 season, except we will have a name QB. And that will all be due to eventual salary cap trouble. RIGHT NOW we have a team capable of going places in the playoffs. But, if our QB gets sacked 60 times this year, kiss that dream goodbye. How is Losman's confidence gonna be when you guys finally think he is ready, but everyone else is GONE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxboro Mike Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Culpepper has the same problem <The QB Who Must Not Be Slandered> has: Hold it... hold it... hold it... I'll care to wager even the most ardent Bledsoe Ballwasher would admit that CULPEPPER MAKES MORE PLAYS than TCS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 I don't think too many are clamoring for JP to start the season. That's silly talk! What I'm saying is that if JP shows real good play making skills in preseason, how long will Bledsoe be "the guy" if he strings together some subpar games? My guess is that JP will get the nod sooner rather than later. If JP is very blah & ordinary in the next 3 preseason games then I doubt we'd see much of him unless injury dictates it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemhoff Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Of course, I think everyone agrees with that. However, when you have a bad O line and a QB that ... 1) is slow to set up 2) is slow in reading and making decisions 3) immobile These just make the offensive line's problem just worse. I watched Carolina and the Giants last night... the Giants line is horrid, but i thought manning did a good job of moving the offense and getting rid of the ball quickly and managed to ring up 6 points on a killer Panther defense. On the other hand, I thought Carolina's offensive line sucked too, but DelHomme set up quick, hit quick passes ala Brady... and was able to get outside the tackle box when he did see pressure so that he was in a position to throw the ball way and avoid the sack... helping his blockers. Drew can't do these things. 641[/snapback] Deeray, Drew is a tad bit slow-footed, but you need to admit that he threw with a quick release on Sunday, put some serious velocity on the ball and looked smoother that any game last year. His out to Reed was on the money, and the ball to Moulds was as much Eric's fault as it was Drew's. On top of all this, I think that Mularkey has settled old Drewbie down a little. We looked much more focused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachChuckDickerson Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Culpepper has the same problem <The QB Who Must Not Be Slandered> has: Hold it... hold it... hold it... I'll care to wager even the most ardent Bledsoe Ballwasher would admit that CULPEPPER MAKES MORE PLAYS than TCS. 1053[/snapback] Always an excuse with you as to why Drew can't cut it. I'm not going to be baited into a pointless agruement with somebody who doesn't see things the way I do. It is boring. I put up fact you retort with opinion. You just keep recycling the same beat excuses. Yawn. Go bait somebody else who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxboro Mike Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Always an excuse with you as to why Drew can't cut it. I'm not going to be baited into a pointless agruement with somebody who doesn't see things the way I do. It is boring. I put up fact you retort with opinion. You just keep recycling the same beat excuses. Yawn. Go bait somebody else who cares. 1106[/snapback] I'm the one making excuses... RIIIIGHT. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Buuuuuuuuut, right now we seem to have ALL the other tools. A great WR corp, and AWESOME defense all around, and special teams is finally looking strong. Our only weak point is the Oline. And when you have a QB who CANNOT move, that is a huge problem. The point is, right now we have a great, talented team. But if we "wait" for losman, the parity in football will take over again, and we will be back to the talent level of the 3-13 season, except we will have a name QB. And that will all be due to eventual salary cap trouble. RIGHT NOW we have a team capable of going places in the playoffs. But, if our QB gets sacked 60 times this year, kiss that dream goodbye. How is Losman's confidence gonna be when you guys finally think he is ready, but everyone else is GONE. 1040[/snapback] Who are we going to lose that we cannot replace next season? - Pat Williams? We have Tim Anderson - Aaron Schrobel? We will probably resign him - Jonas Jennings? Tre Teague will probably be his eventual replacement because there is no way this staff goes through another offseason with him at center We probably wont have Travis Henry....but we will have a 100 percent travis henry.....and we will get our 1st rounder back (and it will probably be used on a linemen of some sort) The defense is virtually intact What changes.....other then our starting QB is a year wiser and more acclimated to the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 As wont as I am to see the bills win NOW, I think it'd be retarded to put Losman in. Although he probably couldn't do much worse than Drew. I ahve no faith that Wyche and Mularkey will be able to slavage Bledsoe. He's the titanic, and NFL defenses are the iceberg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 As others have said, wait till the season starts and let's see what happens. After last year, there's no doubt in my mind that Drew will get the hook if he starts to suck again... don't think Ralph & TD would stand still twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soljc Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 You think Bledsoe looked solid? The facts are, with Bledsoe at QB, this offense had 3 very good field position drive starts, and were in the red zone twice, coming away with 3 points. Most QBs (except Bledsoe), know that the two things you absolutely, positively cannot do in the redzone are 1) turn the ball over and 2) take a sack Also, the radio announcers were quick to comment that Denver defense had 8 and sometimes 9 men in the box. A QB has to be able to beat that... period. So, here's the transcript from Bledsoe's 3 series. Sound very RJ-esque and very reminiscent of the Bledsoe that I've watched over the past 24 Bills season games. A lot of sizzle, but no steak. 1-10-DEN22 (13:27) T.Henry up the middle to DEN 22 for no gain (K.Kennedy, D.Spragan). 2-10-DEN22 (12:51) D.Bledsoe pass to D.Shelton to DEN 22 for no gain (K.Herndon). 3-10-DEN22 (12:07) (Shotgun) PENALTY on BUF-M.Pucillo, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 22 - No Play. 3-15-DEN27 (11:50) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass intended for E.Moulds INTERCEPTED by W.Middlebrooks at DEN 1. W.Middlebrooks to DEN 16 for 15 yards (T.Henry). Receiver and coverage along left sideline. 1-10-BUF39 (10:39) T.Henry right end pushed ob at BUF 39 for no gain (C.Bailey). 2-10-BUF39 (10:09) T.Henry right tackle to BUF 43 for 4 yards (A.Wilson). 3-6-BUF43 (9:24) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe sacked at BUF 35 for -8 yards (R.Johnson). 4-14-BUF35 (8:56) B.Moorman punts 44 yards to DEN 21, Center-J.Dorenbos, fair catch by T.Luke. 1-10-DEN42 (7:24) T.Henry up the middle to DEN 41 for 1 yard (D.Williams, L.Elliss). 2-9-DEN41 (6:47) D.Bledsoe pass to T.Henry to DEN 36 for 5 yards (C.Bailey). Dump pass left, caught at DEN 45. 3-4-DEN36 (6:04) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass to E.Moulds to DEN 29 for 7 yards (K.Herndon). Caught at DEN 29, right flat. 1-10-DEN29 (5:21) D.Bledsoe pass to J.Reed ran ob at DEN 14 for 15 yards. Caught along right sideline at DEN 14. 1-10-DEN14 (4:55) T.Henry up the middle to DEN 11 for 3 yards (D.Spragan, J.Lynch). 2-7-DEN11 (4:17) T.Henry right tackle to DEN 13 for -2 yards (D.Spragan, A.Wilson). 3-9-DEN13 (3:35) (Shotgun) D.Bledsoe pass incomplete (L.Elliss). Pass batted at line. 4-9-DEN13 (3:29) R.Lindell 31 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-J.Dorenbos, Holder-B.Moorman. DEN 0 BUF 3, Plays: 8 Yards: 29 Possession: 3:59. 621[/snapback] You are gonna quote the transcript of the first preseason game as your support for starting a rookie QB over a Pro-Bowl QB? Get serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATBNG Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 A guy holding hands with a Pats fan while skipping through TBD together makes me a little nervous. I like beer though. I don't understand why people feel this way when other people are trying to analyze what is best for the team. When the game starts, I'm sure stevestojan is rooting for the Bills, and FM is rooting for the Pats no matter who is playing and no matter what happens. That's when the rose colored glasses are on. That's your heart talking. When the game is over, Bills fans might disagree with their own over what should have happened, or who should have been playing. They may at that time agree with someone who is a fan of another team. Chuck - if you really believe that they should disagree because they're fans of different teams, then you are essentially removing objectivity from the equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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