Adam Posted December 19, 2004 Posted December 19, 2004 When I think about it, I know quite a few republicans that would have voted for the democrat candidate, if they thought he was a viable candidate- they were not really pro-Bush. Last time the Democrats got a guy in office, it was a man from a red state, who garnered a conservative base. That being said, I think what the election was is the conservatives overcoming the vocal minority, which is the liberals. Anyone agree or disagree- I expect some very interesting opinions.
jimshiz Posted December 19, 2004 Posted December 19, 2004 I voted FOR George W. Bush. He is the best Republican President since Ronald Reagan. I can not think of a Democrat who I would ever vote for over George W. Bush. I liked Kennedy, Truman, & FDR. But, if I was able to vote, I still would have voted for Nixon over Kennedy even knowing about the Watergate "scandal" and the Marylyn Monroe B.S. I would NEVER be for an Amendment that would allow Schwarzenegger to run. But, if he were allowed, he would NOT be my first choice to run - neither would Rudy.
DC Tom Posted December 19, 2004 Posted December 19, 2004 When I think about it, I know quite a few republicans that would have voted for the democrat candidate, if they thought he was a viable candidate- they were not really pro-Bush. 165830[/snapback] Conversely, I know quite a few Democrats who voted for Bush because they didn't believe he was a viable candidate. I think the bottom line is that for far too many people this election was about who would be the less pathetic choice...personally, I don't think anyone won.
Berg Posted December 19, 2004 Posted December 19, 2004 When I think about it, I know quite a few republicans that would have voted for the democrat candidate, if they thought he was a viable candidate- they were not really pro-Bush. Last time the Democrats got a guy in office, it was a man from a red state, who garnered a conservative base. That being said, I think what the election was is the conservatives overcoming the vocal minority, which is the liberals. Anyone agree or disagree- I expect some very interesting opinions. 165830[/snapback] I voted for the lesser of two evils - AGAIN.
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted December 19, 2004 Posted December 19, 2004 I voted FOR George W. Bush. He is the best Republican President since Ronald Reagan. I can not think of a Democrat who I would ever vote for over George W. Bush. I liked Kennedy, Truman, & FDR. But, if I was able to vote, I still would have voted for Nixon over Kennedy even knowing about the Watergate "scandal" and the Marylyn Monroe B.S. I would NEVER be for an Amendment that would allow Schwarzenegger to run. But, if he were allowed, he would NOT be my first choice to run - neither would Rudy. 165869[/snapback] I hate Kennedy- he was vastly overrated, didn't even write Profiles in Courage, and made horrendous decisions. Nixon was the better choice in 1960. The more I read about Truman, the more I admire him. He fought gallantly in WWI when he didn't have to, got us through the early crisis with the USSR after Stalin's increasing pressure, and told Macarthur where to go-imagine a military officer deliberately ignoring the President's orders! Honestly, I would have had a VERY hard time believing that if you were able to vote in the FDR era that you would have voted for FDR. He was the Clinton of the era- NOBODY drew more venom from the Republicans than the mention of his name. There are people who still have that venom, and I have talked with them. Men in their 80's still believe that FDR was a socialist who tried to turn our country into a liberal nightmare. However, it never mattered, because no matter WHAT they said, FDR still won, which is an excallent parallel to Clinton. FDR's infidelity was discreetly handled... Of course, those were the days when the media actually focused on important issues.
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 19, 2004 Posted December 19, 2004 Honestly, I would have had a VERY hard time believing that if you were able to vote in the FDR era that you would have voted for FDR. He was the Clinton of the era- NOBODY drew more venom from the Republicans than the mention of his name. There are people who still have that venom, and I have talked with them. Men in their 80's still believe that FDR was a socialist who tried to turn our country into a liberal nightmare. However, it never mattered, because no matter WHAT they said, FDR still won, which is an excallent parallel to Clinton. 165973[/snapback] Food lines have a great deal to do with FDR's popularity. He took the nation's agenda the same way the Republicans do with anti-tax stances... It was/is popular. My grandfather would have been one of those guys... He worked on the railroad and his pay was cut in half... Till the day he died, he refered to FDR as a crippled bastard... He wasn't a Republican either... Maybe inside, deep down he knew it was the best for all? As much as he was pissed about himself, he looked past that.
Rich in Ohio Posted December 19, 2004 Posted December 19, 2004 When I think about it, I know quite a few republicans that would have voted for the democrat candidate, if they thought he was a viable candidate- they were not really pro-Bush. Last time the Democrats got a guy in office, it was a man from a red state, who garnered a conservative base. That being said, I think what the election was is the conservatives overcoming the vocal minority, which is the liberals. Anyone agree or disagree- I expect some very interesting opinions. 165830[/snapback] Umm, exactly what part of the conservative base did clinton get????? The reason Bush 41 lost was a little elf by the name of ross perot. Then he defeated the cardboard figure that we all know and love by the name of Bob Dole. In either case I think that you could perhaps counr the number of conservatives who voted for that assclown nationwide on one hand. Please reconsider your silly post.
John Adams Posted December 19, 2004 Posted December 19, 2004 He is the best Republican President since Ronald Reagan. 165869[/snapback] He's better than all the Republican presidents since Reagan? You really do think highly of the guy.
jimshiz Posted December 19, 2004 Posted December 19, 2004 He's better than all the Republican presidents since Reagan? You really do think highly of the guy. 166882[/snapback] Sorry - I'll re-phrase - he is one of the best Republican Presidents along with Ronald Reagan. He was certainly better than his father - George H. W. Bush (41). He was better than Nixon and all but Carter was probably better than Ford. I don't know much about Ike. But, I think I would have liked him. I may as well list all the Presidents since I've been alive from best to worst: Ronald Reagan George W. Bush (43) Richard Nixon George H.W. Bush (41) John F. Kennedy Bill Clinton Lyndon Johnson Gerald Ford Jimmy Carter This could change if I thought about it more, but the top two are certainties for me.
Guest RabidBillsFanVT Posted December 19, 2004 Posted December 19, 2004 My order would be: Richard Nixon Bill Clinton Ronald Reagan George W. Bush (43) John F. Kennedy George H.W. Bush (41) Gerald Ford Lyndon Johnson Jimmy Carter Nixon would be the best, but he just got caught. Clinton will be high for Dems, not for Repubs, obviously... Lyndon Johnson was abysmal... he needed to get out. Kennedy always overrated, GHWB definitely the worst Republican president other than Ford. THE ONLY REASON why GWB is high is because all the Presidents below him REALLY suck worse.
Thurman's Helmet Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 When I think about it, I know quite a few republicans that would have voted for the democrat candidate, if they thought he was a viable candidate- they were not really pro-Bush. Last time the Democrats got a guy in office, it was a man from a red state, who garnered a conservative base. That being said, I think what the election was is the conservatives overcoming the vocal minority, which is the liberals. Anyone agree or disagree- I expect some very interesting opinions. 165830[/snapback] Perhaps Kerry would have won if only you had received your absentee ballot in time.
DC Tom Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 My order would be: Richard Nixon Bill Clinton Ronald Reagan George W. Bush (43) John F. Kennedy George H.W. Bush (41) Gerald Ford Lyndon Johnson Jimmy Carter Nixon would be the best, but he just got caught. Clinton will be high for Dems, not for Repubs, obviously... Lyndon Johnson was abysmal... he needed to get out. Kennedy always overrated, GHWB definitely the worst Republican president other than Ford. THE ONLY REASON why GWB is high is because all the Presidents below him REALLY suck worse. 167287[/snapback] What's your reasoning on ranking George Sr. below George Jr.? My personal feeling is that Jr's far worse than daddy. (Of course...I predominantly look at foreign policy, which means I'd rank George Sr. high, and George Jr. near the bottom, just above Clinton but just below a can of Spam...)
jimshiz Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 What's your reasoning on ranking George Sr. below George Jr.? My personal feeling is that Jr's far worse than daddy. (Of course...I predominantly look at foreign policy, which means I'd rank George Sr. high, and George Jr. near the bottom, just above Clinton but just below a can of Spam...) 168076[/snapback] I ranked GWB Jr. above GHWB Sr. as well... And regardless of what some people say, going to war against Iraq was/is the right thing to do. Going to war against Syria and Yemen would also be understandable. But, I'm just a neocon...
Adam Posted December 20, 2004 Author Posted December 20, 2004 Perhaps Kerry would have won if only you had received your absentee ballot in time. 168031[/snapback] Well, you obviously lead everyone but me in sarcasm. No, Kerry would not have won. Does that mean that it doesn't matter if someone is allowed to vote or not? Thats as ridiculous as the democrats blaming Nader for costing them elections. Provisions were made to allow astronauts to vote from space- my vote is as important as any of their, or the troops. No one vote is more important than any other.
Adam Posted December 20, 2004 Author Posted December 20, 2004 Umm, exactly what part of the conservative base did clinton get????? The reason Bush 41 lost was a little elf by the name of ross perot. Then he defeated the cardboard figure that we all know and love by the name of Bob Dole. In either case I think that you could perhaps counr the number of conservatives who voted for that assclown nationwide on one hand. Please reconsider your silly post. 166734[/snapback] I may be mistaken, but didnt he run his election to appeal to a conservative base? I figure that would be the only way for a democrat to get back in office.
DC Tom Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 I ranked GWB Jr. above GHWB Sr. as well... 168109[/snapback] Fine...but why?
RuntheDamnBall Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 I ranked GWB Jr. above GHWB Sr. as well... And regardless of what some people say, going to war against Iraq was/is the right thing to do. Going to war against Syria and Yemen would also be understandable. But, I'm just a neocon... 168109[/snapback] Alright, go fight those wars then. Not that we're overextended and facing a morale disaster as it is.
RkFast Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 How the hell were we able to fight a World War on TWO fronts against elite militaries , but now we are "overextended" fighting a bunch of terrorists with hand-made weapons?
/dev/null Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 of the presidents during my lifetime 1. Reagan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 Clinton 3 GW Bush 4 Bush 5 Carter
JimBob2232 Posted December 20, 2004 Posted December 20, 2004 I voted for Bush. IMO he is wrong on many issues, but I agree with his stance on terrorism, taxes and social security. Because I found myself not agreeing with kerry on any issue, Bush got my vote. Now if we had a good moderate democrat in the mix, I certainally would have considered him. My political Hero is Zell Miller. I know he is a democrat by title only, but I would vote for him over any other political candidate on this planet. I also could have considered Lieberman. Henry Ford Jr is another guy I respect. Living in Virginia I could have even considered Gov. Mark Warner (dont go there those who hate him), and I am sure there are others I am leaving out. My point is, though I am a conservative republican, A good strong pro-america democratic nominee could win my vote. But the Al Gores, John Kerrys and Howard Deans of the world stand no chance with me. Here is to a McCain/JC Watts ticket in 2008.
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