GaryPinC Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Yer right! That's kinda what I mean. There are WAY more people in Erie County, and the power structure runs DEEP. They won't hand off the Bills to Niagara County. Would they be able to stop the Bills if the RWS lease expires? With all respect to those who want the stadium close to/in downtown, it seems to me this isn't about the Bills franchise helping Buffalo. It is about the Bills franchise making the most money possible (including attracting investors/financing $$) while remaining in the area. To me, Niagara Falls seems the logical choice, despite infrastructure issues which could be addressed.
GaryPinC Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Actually, PTR, it's not that hard to imagine...not hard at all... A company wanted to invest $4.5 Billion into our local economy and suddenly changed their mind. So, you might be asking yourself at this point, WHA HAPPEN?!?! Why did Verizon cancel this project? Was it the unfriendly business climate fostered by New York State that caused the change of heart? No, it was one lady and her lawyer... Verizon Withdraws Plans For Niagara County Datacenter Wow, that's amazing if true. Even though their amount invested in the local economy would have been much less (most of those $ were for equipment they would put there, it's just sad.
Lurker Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aFauB8KNc_k8rGiuOHLTig?feat=directlink Always liked Lucas Oil Stadium and was wondering what it would look like in downtown Niagara Falls. Clearly, they would need to pay royalties to Gary Larson for such a setup...
justnzane Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Wow, that's amazing if true. Even though their amount invested in the local economy would have been much less (most of those $ were for equipment they would put there, it's just sad. dumb old lady who doesn't live on property sued becuase the construction would obstruct her view of the lake. She sued on environmental grounds when the proposed site was next to a coal power plant.
GaryPinC Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 dumb old lady who doesn't live on property sued becuase the construction would obstruct her view of the lake. She sued on environmental grounds when the proposed site was next to a coal power plant. I didn't realize that was her arguement. Nice. Unbelievable that the courts let her drag it out and drive Verizon away.
AxelRipper Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Actually, PTR, it's not that hard to imagine...not hard at all... A company wanted to invest $4.5 Billion into our local economy and suddenly changed their mind. So, you might be asking yourself at this point, WHA HAPPEN?!?! Why did Verizon cancel this project? Was it the unfriendly business climate fostered by New York State that caused the change of heart? No, it was one lady and her lawyer... Verizon Withdraws Plans For Niagara County Datacenter We run into this thing all of the time with snowmobile trails. Someone from the city buys a vacant lot out here in Wyoming County and then posts it to everyone, generally blocking trails that have been there and have been used by the people in the area for years because they "plan to build a house there" or something like that, and then the property continues to sit vacant. Usually all it takes is a few phone calls for them to open back up, but it seems like in this case this lady was just looking for her share of the change. You should have seen the threats that were going through when the first 10 small windmills were put up on Weathersfield Rd a few years back to test out the feasibility of wind power, and then again when they put up all of the ones in Sheldon. People are idiots.
Geno Smith's Arm Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 (edited) Would they be able to stop the Bills if the RWS lease expires? With all respect to those who want the stadium close to/in downtown, it seems to me this isn't about the Bills franchise helping Buffalo. It is about the Bills franchise making the most money possible (including attracting investors/financing $$) while remaining in the area. To me, Niagara Falls seems the logical choice, despite infrastructure issues which could be addressed. Niagara County ain't got the juice. Not gonna happen. Worry about other things. Edited July 7, 2011 by Matthews' Bag
PromoTheRobot Posted July 7, 2011 Posted July 7, 2011 Well, Promo, tailgating at RWS in general is not for the wimpiest - or faint-of-heart - no matter how you slice it Seriously, though, I'm always amused at how parochial some of these WNY squabbles become - particularly when we're talking about such a small geographic expanse. You do realize that the lake is less than 4 miles from the current stadium location, and that you can actually see it [the lake] from the upper deck, no? It would be a tough sell to convince anyone that situating a stadium at the vortex of lake-effect winds off both Lakes Erie AND Ontario would somehow be any more pleasant in late December. Traffic-wise, I suppose you could argue that it'd be easier to take the I-190 over the always wide-open and headache-free Grand Island bridges to the Robert Moses Parkway, then exit onto Buffalo Street and wind your way thru the narrow city streets of Niagara Falls into tightly-spaced urban parking lots and ramps - rather than build a massive parking expanse on vast available amounts of flat, vacant land immediately abutting the stadium gates, with it's own exit/entrance ramp off the straight, flat, wide - and easily further widened - major highway (Route 5) on which the former Bethlehem plant already sits. You could try to make that argument...I guess ... We'll just have to leave it at this. We won't change each other's minds. PTR
The Senator Posted July 11, 2011 Posted July 11, 2011 Of course, the other problem with putting a stadium in The Falls is too many Bills fans would be doing this after a loss...
Bills!Win! Posted September 5, 2011 Posted September 5, 2011 (edited) All of these indoor stadiums are going to kill football. It should be played in the elements. Wind/rain/sleet/snow/and everything in between. Think about it, we're the only sport that really does it. Edited September 5, 2011 by Bills!Win!
UConn James Posted September 5, 2011 Posted September 5, 2011 All of these indoor stadiums are going to kill football. It should be played in the elements. Wind/rain/sleet/snow/and everything in between. Think about it, we're the only sport that really does it. Uhmm..... Soccer.
truth on hold Posted September 5, 2011 Posted September 5, 2011 I think you have it on the wrong side of the falls!
Meathead Posted September 5, 2011 Posted September 5, 2011 Of course, the other problem with putting a stadium in The Falls is too many Bills fans would be doing this after a loss... holy crapiolol!!! i live in the falls now, i was born in the falls, i was raised in the falls area. and yet ive never seen this before! how the f did that guy even get out there?!? oh i see now in the comments: Apparently he was WAY in debt with the casinos and he was attempting to off himself, but he got his foot stuck in the rocks. i wonder if the casino dropped his debt after that lmao
hondo in seattle Posted September 5, 2011 Posted September 5, 2011 https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/aFauB8KNc_k8rGiuOHLTig?feat=directlink Always liked Lucas Oil Stadium and was wondering what it would look like in downtown Niagara Falls. Slapped together using http://www.splashup.com/ a great photoshop alternative online. Good job. Something like that would indeed be impressive. Kind of reminds me of Candlestick Park or Husky Stadium with dramatic views of the water. But this is even more dramatic.
Offside Number 76 Posted September 5, 2011 Posted September 5, 2011 Uhmm..... Soccer. They don't play soccer in snow, and in fact "wet pitch" and "frozen pitch" are sometimes given as a reasons for a postponed game in England (it has to be more than a normal rain, but it doesn't have to be more than "Buffalo cold"). I don't know about rugby. I think B!W! is right; American/Canadian football are pretty unique.
FreakPop Posted September 5, 2011 Posted September 5, 2011 My support for a NF complex has zippo to do with what city I think deserves a bump. It has to do with building off tourism. Right now the Canadian side of the Falls is where the action is. But NF CAN will never have an NFL team. On game days the US side will be the place to be. But then you can host other events: a college bowl game, a Final Four, Frozen Four, major concerts, a stadium NHL game between the Leafs and Sabres, and (dare I dream it???) A SUPER BOWL!! Then on non-event days you develop an "NFL Experience" type of attraction, stadium tours, a Bills museum, etc. All this just steps away from one of the natural wonders of the world. What you want to create is a synergy between the two side of the Falls. You can't ignore all that is happening on the CAN side. It's almost like a mini-Vegas. You want to be close to that while developing your own attractions. Plus imagine the sex appeal to prospective free agents visiting the Bills. PTR Gotta agree with you PTR. I have had similar thoughts about a NF stadium for a while now. It makes perfect sense to build there.
Ray Posted September 5, 2011 Posted September 5, 2011 Gotta agree with you PTR. I have had similar thoughts about a NF stadium for a while now. It makes perfect sense to build there. Agree with PTR too. Makes too much sense to get done though. Huge tourist attraction with about 8-10M visitors a year and a good 30-40 minutes closer to over 1M residents not even touching the Toronto market (Hamilton >500k residents, St Catherines about 200k residents, not even considering all the smaller towns with 25k resident, and 80k from NF Ontario). Makes their drive from 5 minutes to 40 minutes. Buffalo region obviously still supports it and for the Rochester market it is the same amount of time from Rochester to the Falls as it is from Roch to OP. You could obviously do a lot more in terms of marketing, adding a Bills museum, make it a smaller type of Patriots place to generate some more revenue. The weather is better their too. Keep in mind they get about 30 inches less of snow a year there, winds are not as bad and even a new outdoor stadium could be built to insulate the fans a bit more from the bad condiitions. Oh well, we can always dream.....don't see it happening though.
12Kachy Posted September 5, 2011 Posted September 5, 2011 This is a pretty good post. I love the idea of a stadium that stretches both sides; however that would be a architecture feat. Numerous teams have stadiums outside of their name sake markets. The Washington Redskins play in Landover, MD, NE renamed themselves after they moved out of Boston, and look at the NY Jets and Giants who play in NJ. They don't even play in the state that they are named after. (I do love to tell people I like the only team that plays in NY State!) You could build a stadium near the falls, next to the casino and all, call them the Buffalo Bills still, and make mad money. I don't like the dome idea, but If you think about it it would sell better and maybe even could be the center of a superbowl at one time. Buffalo is a great place to live and work, but wasting money on another stadium in Buffalo would be a failure to ensure the Bills remain in WNY and not become the LA somethings.
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