Jim in Anchorage Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 Yes, there was "Truth", and "Beckola"... "Truth" came out in 1968...great album...Stewart and Wood left to join the Small Faces, hijacking them from Steve Marriot, turning them into the Faces...would highly recommend "Truth". "Beckola" is good too, but not as good. Stand out track: "Morning Dew" youtube.com/watch?v=zb6WRqZRG-E&playnext=1&list=PLF9F70DA46D1B40E1 Honestly I don't like Stewart-the phase "lounge lizard" always comes to mind- it's like he was always a Vegas act in the making.
Buftex Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 Honestly I don't like Stewart-the phase "lounge lizard" always comes to mind- it's like he was always a Vegas act in the making. I can think of few people in music who have betrayed their talent as much as Rod Stewart. I must say, though, I love the Faces stuff, as well as his solo albums (essentially Faces albums) up through about 1976. I think he sounds great on the Beck stuff. Listen to that (youtube) track I posted, and just forget it is him...its' a great song...great performance. Ironically, I think he and Beck were made for each-other. I think they are both technically, very talented, but creativity, and artistry seems to evade them, at times. Beck has done some hideous stuff over the years...but I really liked that "Live at Ronnie Scott's" record he put out a couple of years ago. Rod hasn't done anything good in about 30 years... About a year ago, Ian McLagen came into the record shop I work at. He lives here in town. I was asking him about the rumored Faces reunion. He said, "yes we are going to do it...in some form or another...Ronnie and Kenny are up for it...I am up for it...not sure about Rod though. He said he still has nearly a century of music to murder" It was pretty funny...he was referencing those "Songbook" things Stewart has been doing the last 7 or 8 years...it is amazing how many people buy that **** up. So, anyways, the Faces reunion has happened, they are playing Europe this summer, with Mick Hucknell (from Simply Red) playing the part of Rod Stewart. Stewart has an "open invitation" to join them any time he wants...they got sick of waiting for him. It seems ludicrous for Hucknell to be singing with them, but the reviews I have read said he sounds great with them.
grammer_police Posted June 29, 2011 Author Posted June 29, 2011 Weren't the Shaggs daughters of the record producer and none of them could actually sing a lick? The Shaggs My Pal Foot Foot I'm not sure that their Father was a record producer..but he played a very big role in their career. He was almost like a Murry Wilson (Beach Boy's Father) in that he was a tyrant who forced the band to play, but also had some good intentions Not bad. I would choose Freak Out by Zappa over WOIIFTM. No Dylan? Good call with Velvet Underground and Captain Beefheart. My list off the top of my head- Captain Beefheart-Trout Mask Replica Astral Weeks-Van Morrison Velvet Underground-Nico Dylan-Blonde on Blonde Are You Experienced-Jimi Kick Out the Jams- MC5 Nick Drake- 5 Leaves Zeppelin II Dylan-Highway 61 and a tie between obvious choices-The Doors, Sgt Peppers, Pet Sounds Yeah, leaving off Dyan was tough. I'm actually a Dylan freak believe it or not, but just enjoy the 10 records I listed better than they stuff he did in the 60's. Here's my list for Dylan: 1. Blood on the Tracks 2. Highway 3. Blonde on Blonde 4. John Wesley Harding 5. Another Side 6. Desire 7. Bringing it all Back Home 8. Planet Waves 9. the other folk albums 10. everything else prior to the 80's work any list of top 60s albums without the Rolling Stones' "Let it Bleed," is bogus. and let's not forget the seminal, ground-breaking and angry: "Johnny Cash at Folsom Prison." j (music snob) w. Of course "Let it Bleed" is a classic...but IMO it's not as good as: Begger's, Sticky, Aftermath, and especially Exile (70's yes, but in my mind the best album of all time) i thought i was pretty knowledgeable when it came to music, but I can honestly say, The Shaggs as a band do not ring a bell at all...i suppose I have heard a song of theirs, but for a band that is being considered a major contributor for a musical decade, I feel somewhat embarrased... The Shaggs are the best kept secret in music. (Jonathan Richman being the other). Some people would say that they can't play their instruments...and in some ways that's correct...but they actually play very exact - every note is planned and has meaning - and it's like they learned in almost complete isolation from the rest of the western world. The reason I love their music so much is because it's the most pure form of Rock n' Roll honest passion that I have yet heard. Song's like "Who Are Parents" just can't be duplicated in my mind. Give 'em a shot, but be prepared for it to take several listens before "getting it". They are about as challenging as "Trout Mask Replica". BTW...Zappa said that they were better than the Beatles!
Delete This Account Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 Of course "Let it Bleed" is a classic...but IMO it's not as good as: Begger's, Sticky, Aftermath, and especially Exile (70's yes, but in my mind the best album of all time) Exile on Main Street ranks on my list as well as one of the best albums of all time. it has influenced essentially everything good and pure and dirty in music that has followed it right up to this day. but, it's a 70s album and this is a 60s list. however, Let it Bleed was a wonderful precursor, and featured "Country Honk," which has always had a soft spot in my heart. Sticky Fingers was also a 70s album, which i found to be good, but inconsistent. jw jw
PromoTheRobot Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 i thought i was pretty knowledgeable when it came to music, but I can honestly say, The Shaggs as a band do not ring a bell at all...i suppose I have heard a song of theirs, but for a band that is being considered a major contributor for a musical decade, I feel somewhat embarrased... Don't feel bad. The Shaggs fame is entirely based on how obscure they were...and their total lack of musical ability. I doubt they received any real airplay anywhere ever. PTR
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) Don't feel bad. The Shaggs fame is entirely based on how obscure they were...and their total lack of musical ability. I doubt they received any real airplay anywhere ever. PTR I just listened to The Shaggs' most famous "song", My Pal Foot Foot. Somehow I got all the way through. The damn thing was an affront to my ears, and to claim that the "music" was somehow valuable to the rock narrative is insulting to those of us who actually take time to learn our instruments. And to the poster above who enjoys the music and finds it evocative...more power to you. I realize that musical taste is subjective. But when you attempt a Top 10 list, that implies a certain level of objectivity. Teenage girls who don't know how to play musical instruments or write songs can't top any list. I'm sorry. Edited June 29, 2011 by SageAgainstTheMachine
The Big Cat Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 This list begins and ends at Led Zeppelin II. Anything else, and you have an agenda.
PromoTheRobot Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 I just listened to The Shaggs' most famous "song", My Pal Foot Foot. Somehow I got all the way through. The damn thing was an affront to my ears, and to claim that the "music" was somehow valuable to the rock narrative is insulting to those of us who actually take time to learn our instruments. And to the poster above who enjoys the music and finds it evocative...more power to you. I realize that musical taste is subjective. But when you attempt a Top 10 list, that implies a certain level of objectivity. Teenage girls who don't know how to play musical instruments or write songs can't top any list. I'm sorry. I think the "value" of the Shaggs is they are an example of rock-n-roll made without any influence, or talent. Kind of like finding a tribe in the Amazon and making them play rock without ever letting them hear any. Putting the Shaggs on that list is either a big joke or some critic trying to go over everyone's heads. PTR
Delete This Account Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 This list begins and ends at Led Zeppelin II. Anything else, and you have an agenda. sheesh, at least i acknowledged i was a snob. some of us at least have expanded tastes and not limited to one album. jw
Chandler#81 Posted June 29, 2011 Posted June 29, 2011 This list begins and ends at Led Zeppelin II. Anything else, and you have an agenda. IMO, it's certainly Top 10 '60's. My agenda: Sgt. Pepper & Abbey Road rewrote the 'how-to's'. Pepper for studio, muti-track; Road for integrating a full album side.
grammer_police Posted June 30, 2011 Author Posted June 30, 2011 I think the "value" of the Shaggs is they are an example of rock-n-roll made without any influence, or talent. Kind of like finding a tribe in the Amazon and making them play rock without ever letting them hear any. Putting the Shaggs on that list is either a big joke or some critic trying to go over everyone's heads. PTR I assure you it's no joke. I love "My Pal Foot Foot" (superficially about a cat named "Foot Foot" who has ran away), but it's probably not the best song to start with them, even while it's the most popular. It's probably the most outwardly "childish" of their songs, but still has the classic velvet undergroundish slang to it. They are so challenging because you need to let go of any previous influence you have in Rock music and just accept them. Then, strong patterns start to arise, both in their lyrics and musicianship. And they sing about deep feelings that are weaved throughout their very linear playing. They were the one of the first bands to be so "honest"(not caring about what other think) that it's not a surprise that they are sometimes lumped in with the "proto-punks". But I know it's not for everyone
Rico Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) Rodriguez "Cold Fact" Who?Never heard of this, but I'm downloading from Usenet now. That was pretty good, I will save it. Reminds me of Syd in spots, a little of Cohen, obviously a little of Dylan, yet still pretty unique. Definitely a relic of the 60's, nothing wrong with that though. My fav was Only Good For Conversations, catchy refrain: "but you're the coldest B word I know" Edited June 30, 2011 by Rico
Jim in Anchorage Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 (edited) I can think of few people in music who have betrayed their talent as much as Rod Stewart. I must say, though, I love the Faces stuff, as well as his solo albums (essentially Faces albums) up through about 1976. I think he sounds great on the Beck stuff. Listen to that (youtube) track I posted, and just forget it is him...its' a great song...great performance. Ironically, I think he and Beck were made for each-other. I think they are both technically, very talented, but creativity, and artistry seems to evade them, at times. Beck has done some hideous stuff over the years...but I really liked that "Live at Ronnie Scott's" record he put out a couple of years ago. Rod hasn't done anything good in about 30 years... About a year ago, Ian McLagen came into the record shop I work at. He lives here in town. I was asking him about the rumored Faces reunion. He said, "yes we are going to do it...in some form or another...Ronnie and Kenny are up for it...I am up for it...not sure about Rod though. He said he still has nearly a century of music to murder" It was pretty funny...he was referencing those "Songbook" things Stewart has been doing the last 7 or 8 years...it is amazing how many people buy that **** up. So, anyways, the Faces reunion has happened, they are playing Europe this summer, with Mick Hucknell (from Simply Red) playing the part of Rod Stewart. Stewart has an "open invitation" to join them any time he wants...they got sick of waiting for him. It seems ludicrous for Hucknell to be singing with them, but the reviews I have read said he sounds great with them. Damn you for mentioning Rod Steward and faces!! I knew they had a song I loved but it took me all day to think of it Edited June 30, 2011 by Jim in Anchorage
Buftex Posted June 30, 2011 Posted June 30, 2011 Who? Never heard of this, but I'm downloading from Usenet now. That was pretty good, I will save it. Reminds me of Syd in spots, a little of Cohen, obviously a little of Dylan, yet still pretty unique. Definitely a relic of the 60's, nothing wrong with that though. My fav was Only Good For Conversations, catchy refrain: "but you're the coldest B word I know" As I mentioned earlier, I always loved Donovan's singles ("Sunshine Superman", "Season Of the Witch", etc) but his albums blow...Rodriguez kind of reminds me of him, but with much better songs...one cool thing about the modern age of music, there are so many lost gems like this album that are being unearthed...glad you liked it.
Terry Tate Posted July 1, 2011 Posted July 1, 2011 Years from now, long after we're gone, future music snobs will look through our history to find out what kind of music we listened to, looking to get some sense of us. What kind of people were we? What was our day-to-day like? What was the greatest music during our lifetime? And when they look, they're going to find the number one hit single of 1969: Sugar, Sugar by The Archies.
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