CodeMonkey Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 So, I just listened to Mike Florio on WGR, and I gotta say that as much as I HATE to acknowledge it....Buffalo is going to lose the Bills. This hurts my heart to say, but with this Lockout and a New CBA looming, we're !@#$ed. So now is the time to put it all out on the table and go for broke. We haven't beaten New England in years, The Jests are simple, but have a great defense and Miami is just a pain in the ass. If I'm Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey...I go nuts in Free Agency and come gameday, I let Fitzy throw over the top and live and die with our new defense, and at the same time, do whatever I can to win the line of scrimmage both offensively and defensivley. I know that this is a little too much "Minor League", but since Ralph is getting up there, and the fact we have a couple of "good 'ole boys" runnin' the show in the FO, and that the clock is ticking... it's time to win the "Whole !@#$ing thing!" GO BILLS, LET'S GET IT!!!! I think you are nuts. Even if they believed the Bills will be leaving WNY what incentive do the good ole boys have for taking a big gamble? If the Bills move, they have a good chance of being retained and simply move with the team. They seem to have a rebuild plan in mind and would have to be stupid to do as you suggest.
Armchair GM Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 So, I just listened to Mike Florio on WGR, and I gotta say that as much as I HATE to acknowledge it....Buffalo is going to lose the Bills. This hurts my heart to say, but with this Lockout and a New CBA looming, we're !@#$ed. So now is the time to put it all out on the table and go for broke. We haven't beaten New England in years, The Jests are simple, but have a great defense and Miami is just a pain in the ass. If I'm Buddy Nix and Chan Gailey...I go nuts in Free Agency and come gameday, I let Fitzy throw over the top and live and die with our new defense, and at the same time, do whatever I can to win the line of scrimmage both offensively and defensivley. I know that this is a little too much "Minor League", but since Ralph is getting up there, and the fact we have a couple of "good 'ole boys" runnin' the show in the FO, and that the clock is ticking... it's time to win the "Whole !@#$ing thing!" GO BILLS, LET'S GET IT!!!! Are we gonna get a life size cardboard cut out of Ralph and peel a piece of his suit off every time we win a game?
BillsfaninFl Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Are we gonna get a life size cardboard cut out of Ralph and peel a piece of his suit off every time we win a game? A funny line, but it brings up a sickening result: who wants to see a 90+ year old naked? I understand and agree with the poster's desire for a winning team now. But the only way it could really happen is if Wilson suddenly wanted a winner before he passes on and reverses his previous actions by raiding the free agent market big time (when it opens up). Sometimes this works to make a team instantly competitive. At other times it becomes the Snyder Syndrome, a debilitating disease. Regarding the chances of this spending spree happening, you have a better chance of winning the lottery.
stony Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 You guys need to quit worrying about the sky falling, Some how some way the Bills will stay here even if Kelly, Golisano, Pegula, Gundlach and any other hidden investor come together as one group to buy the team to keep the Bills here. If Not Ralph's body will be exhumed and burnt at the stake for not bringing in a partner the way Art Modell did with Bisciotti. What parallels are there between the Ravens situation and the current one surrounding the Bills? Just curious.
DDD Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Are we gonna get a life size cardboard cut out of Ralph and peel a piece of his suit off every time we win a game? I thought you were going to go with the Weekend at Bernie's thing rather than Major League. By the way, I don't see the Bills ever winning again with Wilson at the top. The man is senile. There is no structure or legit plan to win at OBD. Edited June 23, 2011 by Mr. Wonderful
eball Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 I thought you were going to go with the Weekend at Bernie's thing rather than Major League. By the way, I don't see the Bills ever winning again with Wilson at the top. The man is senile. There is no structure or legit plan to win at OBD. I find this statement laughable, and somewhat typical. Ralph has made some horrible decisions over the past decade -- that is undeniable. He has also had his fair share of bad luck. If the Donahoe plan had worked (i.e., Mike Williams isn't a bust and Gregg Williams isn't an arrogant a-hole), Ralph had completely turned the football operations over to someone else and was willing to let him run it. Because of that failure, however, the "meddling" Ralph returned, bringing in an old crony ill-suited for a GM job (Marv) and giving the marketing guy (Russ) the ability to make football decisions. After those failures, however, Ralph clearly came to a realization he needed to beef up the "football" aspect of the organization and take a step back. I see NO evidence over the past year and a half of Ralph "meddling" in football decisions, and the staff of personnel people and coaches (Nix, Whaley, Gailey, Wannstedt, and the subtraction of Modrak) has been significantly upgraded. If you don't call that a structure or "legit" plan you're either ignorant or just trying to evoke a response.
Doc Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Wouldn't it make more financial sense for the owners to add 2 expansion teams in LA? That way they get $2B or so in franchise fees, versus the several hundred million in relocation fees. Also it only adds LA to the TV market mix, instead of being at the expense of 2 previous TV markets.
Mr. WEO Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 The only expansion the NFL is on record as supporting is in Europe. If they wanted to expand into LA, they would have done so.
Doc Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Maybe, maybe not. But expanding into LA would make far more sense than trying to relocate teams.
Mr. WEO Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Maybe, maybe not. But expanding into LA would make far more sense than trying to relocate teams. How many more crappy teams does the NFL need in California?
Doc Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) How many more crappy teams does the NFL need in California? Looks like they're looking to add 2 more. And considering the names mentioned include Minnesota, Jax, STL, and Buffalo, it's possible that Cali ends up with 5 crappy teams. Edited June 24, 2011 by Doc
tennesseeboy Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Winning is a good thing and I contarily to some around here, think we should expect it now rather than three or four years down the road ("Let's play to get the first pick in the first round" crowd). That being said I don't think winning or losing will have any effect on whether the Bills will be sold or move.
PS 56 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 The Bills are not moving to L.A. You move the Bills you lose the Toronto market as well as Western New York. The main target is the Chargers; old stadium, bad fan attendance, close to L.A. already. Actually I think the team will be Jacksonville. I don't see the Chargers moving from San Diego although you never know.
Jauronimo Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) I find this statement laughable, and somewhat typical. Ralph has made some horrible decisions over the past decade -- that is undeniable. He has also had his fair share of bad luck. If the Donahoe plan had worked (i.e., Mike Williams isn't a bust and Gregg Williams isn't an arrogant a-hole), Ralph had completely turned the football operations over to someone else and was willing to let him run it. Because of that failure, however, the "meddling" Ralph returned, bringing in an old crony ill-suited for a GM job (Marv) and giving the marketing guy (Russ) the ability to make football decisions. After those failures, however, Ralph clearly came to a realization he needed to beef up the "football" aspect of the organization and take a step back. I see NO evidence over the past year and a half of Ralph "meddling" in football decisions, and the staff of personnel people and coaches (Nix, Whaley, Gailey, Wannstedt, and the subtraction of Modrak) has been significantly upgraded. If you don't call that a structure or "legit" plan you're either ignorant or just trying to evoke a response. My time with TBD has shown me that evidence is a thing of the past. Strongly worded baseless opinions are where its at. Use words like "clearly" or "obviously" as much as possible. Also come up with one main criticism of the franchise and repeat it ad nauseum whether its relevant to the discussion or not. If anyone disagrees with you, dismiss them as Ralph's apologist or "Mrs. Wilson" or tell them to "stop drinking the kool aid." If they cite evidence, write it off as excuses. Backing up opinions is a sign of weakness and should be avoided at all costs. Always remember that there is no middle ground. Use this guy to bring it all home Edited June 23, 2011 by Jauronimo
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 The talking of the Bills moving bores the hell out of me. Personally, I think there is a plan for them to stay or they have an ownership group in mind. But if they don't, why worry about it? We are powerless to change things if that's the case. So stop worrying for the time being. That said, I do know this. It's a lot easier to move a losing team than a winning one. The Saints might have been one of the top teams to move but that talk has gone away. Just win baby & everything else will take care of himself.
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 Not trying to be a Richard but why even bothering discussing this? If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. I think this thread would benefit from people bringing ideas that we as fans could do to help keep the team viable. IMO, the first is to try our best to embrace the Toronto plan. Buffalo by itself in one of the smallest markets in the NFL. However, when you add Rochester and Toronto to the equation, it becomes one of the biggest.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 What parallels are there between the Ravens situation and the current one surrounding the Bills? Just curious. none that is the point. Ralph should have a minority owner like Modell did so the team can pass ownership smoothly without all this controversy.
thewildrabbit Posted June 23, 2011 Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Not trying to be a Richard but why even bothering discussing this? If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. I think this thread would benefit from people bringing ideas that we as fans could do to help keep the team viable. IMO, the first is to try our best to embrace the Toronto plan. Buffalo by itself in one of the smallest markets in the NFL. However, when you add Rochester and Toronto to the equation, it becomes one of the biggest. This is exactly what bothers me most about this owner as he has played it so close to the vest all his years of ownership in fear of not making enough money to support the team. Like Bill Polian tried to teach him is... that the only way to make money is to spend money, plus the fact that he is not really in a small market. RW reminds me of Ruben Feffer ....who is so afraid to take chances because of his insurance background. Clearly the Buffalo Bills have a huge devoted following shown by the fact that the stadium is always filled even in losing seasons, in which that following would grow even larger should the team ever become a winner again. All it would take is for this owner to relinquish the presidents seat and hire a young and up and coming VP or GM to to give this franchise some proper direction as president. Even Buddy Nix himself stated he wasn't the smartest guy in the room to a bunch of media types, and looking at the mistakes he made his first year I'd say that was an understatement. He boldly stated he was going to get some sleep when free agency opened last year, the result was bringing in FA RT Cornell Green for 3 mill a year Nix got exactly what he signed, a big FART. Lets hope he is not sleeping again this year when free agency opens As an owner you can't scrape garbage cans and expect to find diamonds, Nix and Gailey might be likable and grand fatherly, but I sure as hell would never hire my grandfather to run an NFL team and expect to win. Hire a consulting firm if you don't know who to hire as president. Or just steal from the best , Patriots, Steelers when looking for a pres or VP, let someone run the team that knows what they are doing. Don't hire some bum that just got fired from his last job either! Spend the money and hire some people with talent, then you might just find you will also have talent on the field as well as the sidelines and FO. Edited June 23, 2011 by Harvey lives
DDD Posted June 24, 2011 Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) I find this statement laughable, and somewhat typical. Ralph has made some horrible decisions over the past decade -- that is undeniable. He has also had his fair share of bad luck. If the Donahoe plan had worked (i.e., Mike Williams isn't a bust and Gregg Williams isn't an arrogant a-hole), Ralph had completely turned the football operations over to someone else and was willing to let him run it. Because of that failure, however, the "meddling" Ralph returned, bringing in an old crony ill-suited for a GM job (Marv) and giving the marketing guy (Russ) the ability to make football decisions. After those failures, however, Ralph clearly came to a realization he needed to beef up the "football" aspect of the organization and take a step back. I see NO evidence over the past year and a half of Ralph "meddling" in football decisions, and the staff of personnel people and coaches (Nix, Whaley, Gailey, Wannstedt, and the subtraction of Modrak) has been significantly upgraded. If you don't call that a structure or "legit" plan you're either ignorant or just trying to evoke a response. Let's see. An owner, who thru no fault of his own, is senile and mentally incompetent to make important decisions. A career scout "promoted within" to be GM, Miami Dolphin coaching failures, a guy who is most known for emailing porn, and firing your head scout a couple of days after the draft. And this is the basis for your optimism? Priceless, absolutely priceless. Edited June 24, 2011 by Mr. Wonderful
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