/dev/null Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/romney_bachmann_cain_lead_the_pack_among_gop_primary_voters Unless Perry or Christie decide to run, it's going to be a pretty anticlimactic primary season for the GOP. Only interesting thing to watch for is if Bachmann campaigns herself out of the VP slot (Romney/Bachmann ticket had been my suspicion since before 2010 elections) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Per polling released yesterday, Romney is tracking at -2 points in a general election against Obama (45%-47%, which is in the margin of +/-). Everyone else, including a hypothetical Palin candidacy, is minus-double-digits. Frankly, Romney is the strongest candidate in terms of being able to raise $, tenure of executive experience, taking over disasters and turning them around, and knowledge of the economy. If the economy is still in the tank and unemployment is still above at least 8% (and I don't see how anything near that can happen with current conditions and present tax/healthcare policy that scares the **** out of business owners), there is every chance that Romney will wipe the floor with Obama. Too many people/Independents who voted for someone without a record because he spoke well, wasn't 80 years old and didn't threaten to bomb Iran, now know exactly what Obama is. Add in a shift of ~10(?) electoral votes to "red states" in Census redistricting.... I don't know about Bachmann as a veep choice. At this point, if Romney were to win, I'm thinking Herman Cain. But it's a looooong road to that point, and you never know which bridges might get burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
....lybob Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/romney_bachmann_cain_lead_the_pack_among_gop_primary_voters Unless Perry or Christie decide to run, it's going to be a pretty anticlimactic primary season for the GOP. Only interesting thing to watch for is if Bachmann campaigns herself out of the VP slot (Romney/Bachmann ticket had been my suspicion since before 2010 elections) Don't count out Bachmann if she can consolidate the Christian Right, and I bet we'll have a sudden flood of media on the Church of LDS as we get closer to the election and Mitt is the front runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Don't count out Bachmann if she can consolidate the Christian Right, and I bet we'll have a sudden flood of media on the Church of LDS as we get closer to the election and Mitt is the front runner. That happened in 2007/8. Even PBS ran their "The Mormons" several times. I don't know. I hope that certain contingent has been able to see the light that someone's religion matters a whit when so many people don't have a job, the dollar's value is going down, and spending and taxes are going up. Maybe those people might vote with their pocketbook and tone down on whatever perceived notion they have regarding Romney's religion, whose moral value stances are not so very out of line. Also, Mike (Pardon Me, Mike! Pardon Me!) Huckabee is not running this time, which should probably cool down the tenor that took then. And then there's the whole thing that Massachusetts actually did NOT turn into a Mormon theocracy when Romney was elected governor.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 Per polling released yesterday, Romney is tracking at -2 points in a general election against Obama (45%-47%, which is in the margin of +/-). Everyone else, including a hypothetical Palin candidacy, is minus-double-digits. Frankly, Romney is the strongest candidate in terms of being able to raise $, tenure of executive experience, taking over disasters and turning them around, and knowledge of the economy. If the economy is still in the tank and unemployment is still above at least 8% (and I don't see how anything near that can happen with current conditions and present tax/healthcare policy that scares the **** out of business owners), there is every chance that Romney will wipe the floor with Obama. Too many people/Independents who voted for someone without a record because he spoke well, wasn't 80 years old and didn't threaten to bomb Iran, now know exactly what Obama is. Add in a shift of ~10(?) electoral votes to "red states" in Census redistricting.... 2012 will either be a re-run of 1984 Morning In America where things were bad but getting better or 1992 It's the Economy Stupid where the one time seemingly unbeatable incumbent rested on his laurels and became so insulated and out of touch with the rest of America I don't know about Bachmann as a veep choice. At this point, if Romney were to win, I'm thinking Herman Cain. But it's a looooong road to that point, and you never know which bridges might get burned. Cain doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would want to be Vice President Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) 2012 will either be a re-run of 1984 Morning In America where things were bad but getting better or 1992 It's the Economy Stupid where the one time seemingly unbeatable incumbent rested on his laurels and became so insulated and out of touch with the rest of America Cain doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would want to be Vice President I get the fullest sense of it being a deja vu of 1980. A presidency where things are coming apart at the seams economically and a president who lacks the ability to do anything about it. I'm not saying Obama has Carter's... insecurity(?)/ineptness --- and in contrast to the Iran disaster, after a bad start the bin Laden raid ultimately went all right --- but there is a serious feeling of "Hey, I've seen this movie before" here. Edited June 16, 2011 by UConn James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 (edited) Cain doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would want to be Vice President Agreed. Watch for Marco Rubio as VP. Florida in the bag. Edited June 17, 2011 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 That happened in 2007/8. Even PBS ran their "The Mormons" several times. I don't know. I hope that certain contingent has been able to see the light that someone's religion matters a whit when so many people don't have a job, the dollar's value is going down, and spending and taxes are going up. Maybe those people might vote with their pocketbook and tone down on whatever perceived notion they have regarding Romney's religion, whose moral value stances are not so very out of line. Also, Mike (Pardon Me, Mike! Pardon Me!) Huckabee is not running this time, which should probably cool down the tenor that took then. And then there's the whole thing that Massachusetts actually did NOT turn into a Mormon theocracy when Romney was elected governor.... Their is a racial aspect of the Mormon faith that would really be too difficult to ingnore, in today's political atmoshphere, should Romney emerge as the clear frontrunner. It would be naive to think that card won't be played... and it wouldn't necessarily be without some validity. I was watching one of those "test audience" type things on FOX, where they measure peoples reactions, during the recent Republican debates. People say that the economy is their single, most important issue, but the measurements show, they have the strongest reactions to social issues. Mormons don't have a great track record with minories (thirty years ago, Mormons would believe that Obama, and Herman Cain for that matter, were reincarnated demon spirits), women, or homosexuals. Those groups may not be represented here on PPP, but they are out there, and they can vote. I am not even saying I dislike Romney...I find him more palatable than anyone else in the current running for the GOP nod. But, I am not likely to vote for him, and even people in his own party seem to be begrudgingly supporting him. Also, there is a faction amongst the Tea Party that has an "anyone but Romney" attitude for the GOP. The party, right now, just seems extremely fractured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Also, there is a faction amongst the Tea Party that has an "anyone but Romney" attitude for the GOP. The party, right now, just seems extremely fractured. Without a doubt, Romney is not a favorite amongst the hard right, but to say that the party is fractured is something that the media likes to portray. Every single GOP poll I see Romney is the clear frontrunner, if it were a truly a fractured party as you say, I believe the polls would indicate otherwise. It would be one thing if it were just one or two polls, but its every damn poll. In some of them he is winning by over a 2 to 1 margin over the runner up. Buf, it isnt a fractured party, its just like what you are seeing with the Democrats, all the Blue Dogs are on the verge of extinction, why? Because this administrations policies are viewed to be too far to the left for the districts where these blue dogs reside. All that is left now are liberals for the most part, you could easily say that the Democratic party is not only fractured, but actually broken, considering the clean break of blue dogs moving now into the private sector simply for being fired not because of what they stood for, but because what Liberal leadership dictated over the past couple years. There is no doubt that many tea partiers are further to the right than your average conservative, but its just like any party, you have your far righties and your far lefties and everything in between. Without a doubt the pendulum had swung much further to the right in 2009 and 2010, but look is on top of the GOP field right now? Is Romney a hard right conservative? Hardly.... Dont fall for what you hear or read, look at things for what they are, the proof is in the puddin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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