mattsox Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 All good points made in the article. Something more could have been said for the support from his team mates. I really think they admire his leadership qualities. When you break it down though, the article is dead on. Most reasonable Bills fans know Fitz doesn't suck but we also know he has a lot of improving to do if he is going to hang around. It also depends on his teammates too. WR have to catch, and RBs have to run. OL has to block. Kickers have to kick... etc OF COURSE FITZ IS GONNA BE UNDER THE SCOPE... EVERYONE IS UNDER THE SCOPE... If you don't perform, there are questions to be asked. But this goes with any position on the Bills team. Not just Fitz... Everyone has to play at a high level. If you're not you're gonna be called out...
T master Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 WOW ! The guy sounds like a long time Bills fan . I like to look at things with a more positive out look . I think with a couple more pieces , which some have been added through the draft & some coming back from IR the team is going to be better with out a doubt !! Last year would have been better if the D would have made just 1 or 2 more plays per game , meaning mostly the games we lost in over time by 3 points . If the D would have held those games our record last year would have been 8 & 8 . 500% I'll take it ! This year with Easley , Parrish , Batten , & hopefully Merriman all coming off IR & staying healthy (the big if) the team is automatically better , then you through in the draft class this year Darius , Sheppard , Williams , White , Jasper , Rogers + Wanny at coach how can we not be better team .
BobbyC81 Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 I say you don't reach for average, or a little above average. You shoot for greatness, and at every position you look to, ideally, assemble the best of the best in the league. We need to draft a first round QB if we want to be great again. Exactly! That's why I didn't like the signing of Fitz at the time, with them saying they weren't looking for someone to compete with Edwards because they didn't want him looking over his shoulder. That was mediocrity thinking there.
John from Riverside Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 yes because there are never any 1st round bust QB's Look.....drafting a QB in the 1st round and having them bust sets your team back YEARS.....we have ALREADY DONE IT. There has already been talk that if the one QB that was in this draft that the bills liked dropped they would have seriously considered him..... You do NOT REACH for a position with a high first round pick.....because if he busts your SCREWED.....you go with the best talent on the board and that is what the bills did. They did the right thing.
Spiderweb Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 We will love Fitz one minute and curse him the next.....most likely all year long. He'll be entertaining, no doubt about that. And I like the guy's guts, but I'm just not sold on the idea that he'll be too much more than what we've already seen. Boy, would I love to be proven wrong. +1 ........... My biggest concern with Fitz is his lack of consistent accuracy. I don't believe he'll overcome it and thus the love hate relationship will continue.
The Senator Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 'The Amish Rifle' will have a Pro Bowl season - breaking Marino's single-season passing yardage record of 5084 and *Brady's single-season passing TD record of 50 - before announcing to a world TV audience on February 5, 2012 from Lucas Oil Stadium , "I'm going to Disney World!" 19 and 0 baby!!! GO BILLSSS!!!! Reverse The Curse!!!!!
DrFishfinder Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 +1 ........... My biggest concern with Fitz is his lack of consistent accuracy. I don't believe he'll overcome it and thus the love hate relationship will continue. Bingo. Helluva nice rec room, Spidey!
Adam Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 Do or Die? Does that mean if he doesn't have a great season, we cut him, even though we don't have a replacement?
Pirate Angel Posted June 15, 2011 Posted June 15, 2011 The last time I checked New England is a pretty good team You are posting bad stats which hurts your arguement Guys.....Fitz is not an accurate QB.....and while I like him for now I also agree we need to start thinking about the future (hopefully next draft) but you cant throw all your eggs in the "maybe a QB might be good if we draft him" basket.....I actually liked Andy Dalton who went WAAAAYYYY to high in the draft but would have liked to have him in the 3rd round as "to groom" guy.....but the fact is Fitz is good enough for RIGHT NOW and if he has a solid defense to back him up he could be even better. Describing Fitz's accuracy is tricky, watch the Baltimore breakdown on him on the Bills homepage, he can thread the needle and put it on the money, but occasionally he throws something completely wild. Hes a gunslinger and he has Balls. He reminds me so much of Jon Kitna right now, he can make plays, the team has faith in him, tough player, but a stop gap. I don't expect us to go any farther than the first round of the playoffs with him.
sllib olaffub Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 yes because there are never any 1st round bust QB's Look.....drafting a QB in the 1st round and having them bust sets your team back YEARS.....we have ALREADY DONE IT. There has already been talk that if the one QB that was in this draft that the bills liked dropped they would have seriously considered him..... You do NOT REACH for a position with a high first round pick.....because if he busts your SCREWED.....you go with the best talent on the board and that is what the bills did. They did the right thing. I absolutely agree that the Bills did the right thing in this year's draft. I didn't mean we should've taken a QB high this year. There weren't guys talented enough at that position to justify passing on Dareus, or Williams in the second - which I love, I think he'll be a perfect CB for us - and all the way through the draft. I do think we should have given a shot to Alabama's QB in the later rounds, because I think he'll prove better than people predicted, but what I was saying earlier was that we should go after one of the three or four QB's in next year's draft that are projected to be very good, and worthy of a 1st round selection. I think we should do anything it takes to land the best one, and if we can't, then go after the second best one. I know there aren't sure things in picking guys, but some guys are very close to certain to be good in the NFL - guys like Rothlisberger, Rivers, last year's Bradford. We should take the risk on one of the top QB's next year, because we've so far put together enough pieces to surround a good rookie QB with a winning team, and if we're lacking an O-lineman or TE next year, we can pick on up in F.A. if need be.
vincec Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) Let's not conflate the argument by injecting Rodgers and P. Manning here. For all the talk about RF's TD passes, he also averaged more than an INT per game. And given Buffalo's defense, their anemic offense can't afford to turn the ball over like Green Bay or Indianapolis. Rodgers and P. Manning have offenses that can score points in bunches. Buffalo failed to score 20 points in 12 of 16 games last season. By comparison, GB was 13 of 16 and IND was 14 of 16 scoring 20 or more points per game. It's obvious the Bills won't be among the league leaders in points scored in 2011. Buffalo needs a QB who is efficient and a HC who can take that guy and develop a short to intermediate passing game which has a lot of completions and keeps their defense off the field. A gunslinger is not what the Bills need right now who happens to have a below average arm and a high turnover rate. I'm really just questioning the 3-1 TD/INT ratio as a metric for accuracy, decision making and success. Why don't you look up some QBs and find me some with a 3-1 ratio? Joe Montana achieved it ONCE in his entire career and he was pretty accurate, a good decision maker and a winner I think Edited June 16, 2011 by vincec
Meathead Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 if he plays 16 games in 2011: 3800 yds, 30 TD, 14 int, 59% compl% if he could get that compl% up a few pts over 60 he would top 4000 yds, but at this point in his career i doubt he can curtail enough of those wild throws to get more than a point-ish improvement over a season so very good production despite lowish accuracy. defense will be vastly improved (how could it not be) but still will surrender leads so fitz will accumulate catch-up stats barring too many oline injuries, should be one of the better offenses in the league. depending on how much progress wanny can get out of the defense i can see this team pressing for a playoff spot late in the season 9-7 feels most likely but im still sticking with 10-6 and one of the surprise teams of the season
Speedy G Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 We will love Fitz one minute and curse him the next.....most likely all year long. He'll be entertaining, no doubt about that. And I like the guy's guts, but I'm just not sold on the idea that he'll be too much more than what we've already seen. Boy, would I love to be proven wrong. If the defense is better, then we will get a better reading on Fitz...
maryland-bills-fan Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) · 230.8 yards passing per game (16th in the NFL) · 23 total passing touchdowns (tied for 13th in the NFL) · 57.8 completion percentage (27th in the NFL) · 81.8 quarterback rating (22nd in the NFL The completion % (and QB rating which depends on it) has serious elements of the success of the running game in it. A strong running game causes the LB and safeties to forego placing emphasis on closely shadowing the receivers and risking geting out of position to try an interception. A strong running game keeps the defense concentrating on holes in the line of schrimmage and gives more room for high % completion, short passes to running backs and tight ends. (think T.Thomas). I agree that Fitz misfires on some easy passes, so I expect he will be just average in completion % and INC's. His smarts will compensate for a lack of top-accuracy. With the team we have right now, I'll accept some INC and incompletes in exchange for Edward's habit of holding onto the ball for either forever or until he got sacked. It is easier on my blood pressure. Edited June 16, 2011 by maryland-bills-fan
DrFishfinder Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 If the defense is better, then we will get a better reading on Fitz... Agreed. The team just didn't have enough offensive fire power to be able to come from behind and win games, especially against the better teams.
tennesseeboy Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Fitz is a good qb. Could we have gotten a better one in the draft? I doubt it and even if we had picked a qb at 3 it would have been another "Spiller" pick, meaning getting a player you didn't absolutely need when you had positions (defensive line, offensive tackle, perhaps cornerback) where you had ABSOLUTE needs. Fitz will play ok, and could play better if we had an effective pair of tackles.
billsfreak Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Five things he needs to accomplish in 2011 to prove he's the man 1. Win 2. Win 3. Win 4. Win 5. Win
John from Riverside Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 And that is why its a unfair comparison....they win as a team not just Fitz. - If the defense gives up 200 yards a game on the ground.....we are going to lose - If Wide receivers drop easy passes and passes that hit them right in the hands on touchdowns......we are going to lose - If we cant get a pass rush....we are going to lose And on and on
San Jose Bills Fan Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 Five things he needs to accomplish in 2011 to prove he's the man 1. Win 2. Win 3. Win 4. Win 5. Win I don't think the fan base here will accept 5 wins as a significant improvement. Off the top of my head I know that tennesseboy has set the bar higher than that.
Adam Posted June 16, 2011 Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) It takes a lot more than a QB to win. We need a left tackle. And for all the people who talk about sacks given up....how about the sacks given up on the right side, every time we slide protect to the left- those are on Bell, regardless of what made up stats say! Edited June 16, 2011 by Adam
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