DC Tom Posted June 18, 2011 Posted June 18, 2011 When your head is rolling down a flight of stairs, that's when. In his case, that'll be a really good day for us.
DPowlus Posted June 18, 2011 Posted June 18, 2011 Seems pretty radical to me, are you calling out for your fellows to kill me? You're an adult aren't you?
DC Tom Posted June 18, 2011 Posted June 18, 2011 Seems pretty radical to me, are you calling out for your fellows to kill me? You're an adult aren't you? Yes, I'm issuing a fatwa against you. Jesus Christ, shut up already.
....lybob Posted June 18, 2011 Posted June 18, 2011 A call to... James Madison, the Father of our Constitution once told Virginians it was their "Duty" to kill red coats. Why such radical thinking in the Middle East? Why can't they just watch The Simpson's and order KFC like the rest of us? Well because we righted a wrong without making sure the wrong we were righting was right by those were wronging (Pretty complex huh?) Okay, NAZI Germany persecutes Jews and an entire World War is fought to stop this New Napoleon from turning the order of Europe on it's head (Oh, and because he and is comrads are guilty of genocide). So the WAR ends and now as a sympathetic Nation/People/Society/Government we decide we're going to find a home where Jews can be safe from such tyrants and free to thrive in the ancient home of their ancestors. The newly formed United Nations, Great Britain a.k.a. "Great Britain"/ENGLAND decide they're going turn over all rights to an area which is equal to 1/3rd the present day size of Israel to these people. Sounds lovely! Problem is, Arabs most notably "Palestinians" had been dwelling/occupying/inhabiting the area in one way shape or form for about 1,400 years (As the majority) and shared it with the aforementioned Jewish ancestors dating back to the 12th Century B.C. , these "Philistines" had too staked a claim to these lands but had lost them under British/Ottoman and Roman rule. So now fast forward to present day, Israel is a Jewish State supported by The United Nations, The World's Super Giants and by the entire Western World (exclude a lone dictator in Venezuela) but where is the Palestinian State? That's where the answer is, WE backed a Jewish State but neglected the rights of the tenants (Palestinians) before we bequeathed the title/deed over to the Israeli's. Naturally you could see how this rubbed the "Arab World" the wrong way, follow that with not once, not twice but three CIA backed operations to oust a government/leader/party in the Middle East because they were going to Nationalize oil deposits held by the British or ourselves. That's just the 1950's alone folks! WE were involved in a total of sixteen operations aimed at placing a favorable governing body/leader/figure in the Arab Nations during the last sixty years. Also, the fellas we put in charge or inserted were tyrants. ( The "Shah" of Iran replaced Mohammed Mossadegh through our backing because Massadegh was going to nationalize British Oil, The "Sha" of Iran inserted the SAVAK-his version of the Gestapo and they'd take the lives of 100,000 citizens during the next twenty years. Now we later helped back a revolution led by The "Ayatollah" Khomeini to oust the guy we helped put into power-"The Shah of Iran" Pahlavi. Why'd we do this? Because Pahlavi became bad press. Human rights violations had tarnished is "Western Image" and also the biggest factor, Iran in 1973 a member of OAPEC had thrown in with Syria & Egypt to embargo the United States for their role in the "Yom Kippur War" by supplying Israel with technology, weapons & intelligence. Though the "Shah" Pahlavi wanted to maintain good relations with the United States he also wanted to line his pockets by siding with the other OAPEC countries). Phew! Long story huh? (Quoting Ray from Scream 2 "Wait Der's More!"). We didn't "OFFICIALLY" or publically back Khomeini but we turned a cold shoulder to Pahlavi when he asked us for help and Oh, we sent 177 CIA operatives in to train the revolutionaries on how to oust the disgraced Shah. Also, 192M in weapons was pumped into the revolution by The United States through the CIA. [saddam Hussein, you remember him right? You know the bloody dictator who kept three U.S. Presidents busy. Well he was our pal too, though we didn't position him into power, WE pumped over 3 billion into his efforts to beef up his military so as to thwart Iran if they invaded(Er, also invade them) which was the popular style of thinking. Yes we backed Saddam to keep Iran in line and to make sure that if either side won or lost, we'd be there to bath in that black sludge. Here's what happened, Saddam beefed up his military forces and attacked Iran-Which began a bloody eight year war and kept oil prices at a comfortable price for Americans because both sides had to finance their war efforts. With Iran paying in oil and Iraq paying in causing Iran to pay with oil it was a lovely balet for the better part of a decade. Until.... The Mad Man they turned to(No, Not Osama) that's a different but sort'a interrelated story) turned on them and the other "Mad Man" Khomeini figured out that the United States had used Saddam to use his army to attack Iran so as to get the oil so they could pay for their costly war, and the "Man Man" went mad. He started hiking the prices by limiting the amount of Western oil companies allowed to drill in Iran as well as limiting the amount of barrels he would release on the market, thus causing a global spike of all market towards the red. But, alas our savior came to the rescue. Nevermind, false alarm he too went mad of course I'm talking about our pal Saddam. He attacks Kuwait for oil, but Kuwait is our pal who has let us pump their sand dunes for darn near a century so we can't let this happen. Also, finding a Arab country with oil that is loyal to capitalism is quite rare so WE stepped in again and pissed of yet another Man Man we helped tighten his reigns of power. So this game of chess(board is typically black and a tan-ish sandy color, interesting...)Okay, let's wrap this up. Pahlavi we used to keep things Kosher in Iran until Khomeini came in and gave us a better price on oil. We had been lauding Bin Laden because he was fighting the Commie's for us, until he too went mad because we pulled out of Afghanistan without keeping our promises quicker than a teenage dad on prom night, did I mention we funded and trained him to commit acts of terrorism on the Russian's? We sided with Saddam until he crossed the Saudi's because he couldn't wait to geto Kuwait's oil, Saddam versus Bush part one, Saddam versus Bush part Deux of duh. Also, throw in 9/11 and the on going conflicts that drain our County of 392B per year. The stock market fell several times, once because of terrorism and the other because the deregulation of Wall Street was allowed to happen, even though EVERY sane economist warned heavily against it due to a possible meltdown in housing, credit swap, CDO's & stock derivatives(betting against the success of group CDO's and mortgage holdings). This mass chaos is the way it is because we made it that way, we encouraged these tyrants and we encouraged these banks to build without caution. Now we cannot sell our homes without taking 100+K losses on average, social security won't be there for citizens come 2036 and we've fallen behind China in education and finance. It's bleak, it's so very bleak and it happens without "us" really knowing. We watched as our righted wrong became the wrong to reright history, we're standing at the gates of an Nation no different than England, Spain, France, Rome, Greece or Egypt before her. The gates are decaying and we are lost in translation, right now we have the chance to turn the tide and maybe buy our selves, our system, our way of life another 300 years by ending the game of tic-tac-toe we thought was chess. To stop creating mad man to position ourselves "strategically", to stop turning a blind eye to a people deserving of the same rights all mankind is and to stop the hounds from feasting on the ruins as they had with the "Ancient World". No, I don't have any fantasies of this experiment lasting forever, I know that one day someone will stand at our ruins and shake their head and say they were so close and they let it slip away, wasteful arrogant and ignorant American's. For now though we can try to right a wrong, establish a Palestinian State same as we did for Israel, and perhaps by doing so we can curb the enthusiasm of these mad men. By working with the "Arab World" rather than against them, we can achieve true peace and prosperity. Start there and let's see where we end up. Tic-Tac-Toe, a game that cannot be won or lost mathematically. According to definition, continuing to play is an act of insanity. Terrorists, are the result of radical and desperate people. They turn to ideas, concepts and people they don't fully understand. Terrorism is the act of desperation. (I hope someone heard Michael Caines voice somewhere in there) Peace, a concept that can only come to fruition through compassion for ALL peoples and for ALL cultures. And that's all I have to say about that. Wow! I want to see you and OC have a post off, Just see it not read it mind you- I hope you enjoy writing because my guess is few if any of your fellow PPP members made it past the first paragraph- my advice is make one point, get one dig in and then escape.
DC Tom Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Wow! I want to see you and OC have a post off, Just see it not read it mind you- I hope you enjoy writing because my guess is few if any of your fellow PPP members made it past the first paragraph- my advice is make one point, get one dig in and then escape. He should have led with Tic-Tac-Toe...that was the real low point, and putting that right up front would have made the inanity of the post abundantly clear early on.
Justice Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 B, here. For the record, I have drank alcohol in the past, but not anymore. It's a horrible drug that has no place in Islam. As for the folks that eat dinner in Ramadan, as long as the sun has gone down it is perfectly fine. What did you think Ramadan was? Starve yourself for a full month?
DPowlus Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Wow! I want to see you and OC have a post off, Just see it not read it mind you- I hope you enjoy writing because my guess is few if any of your fellow PPP members made it past the first paragraph- my advice is make one point, get one dig in and then escape. ONCE AGAIN, it wasn't an essay gents! It was a DETAIL list of facts. Instead of your normal sarcastic retort why not try and see that the FACTS present the case(WHICH HAS TO DO WITH THE TITLE OF THE THREAD). Obviously none of you robots have ever had a conversation about a subject in DETAIL. I did make one point fella, the entire point was that the issues in the "Middle East" are our fault! Now if you have some new information or facts to present then go right ahead, if not the I suggest you go back to commenting on threads about Haynesworth & Tony Washington. Read about the subject before you consider involving yourself in a conversation about it. Also, when four chaps such as yourselves decide to take jabs at my post, it doesn't offend me as a matter of fact it proves my point. God Bless America
Wacka Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,... God Bless America
DPowlus Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,... God Bless America Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah... It's our fault.
Magox Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Those are the retorts? I was wrong on "us" having a chance to change the tides, we're all doomed and rightfully so I suppose. Let's all go to Walmart. my advice is make one point, get one dig in and then escape.
Wacka Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Those are the retorts? I was wrong on "us" having a chance to change the tides, we're all doomed and rightfully so I suppose. Let's all go to Walmart. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvxNgdFeWqM
3rdnlng Posted June 19, 2011 Author Posted June 19, 2011 Wow! I want to see you and OC have a post off, Just see it not read it mind you- I hope you enjoy writing because my guess is few if any of your fellow PPP members made it past the first paragraph- my advice is make one point, get one dig in and then escape. Lyrbob's way, the drive-by snarky remark that he can't and won't defend.
GelMibson Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah,Blah... It's our fault. Our fault? How about it being the ZIONISTS fault?
DPowlus Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Our fault? How about it being the ZIONISTS fault? OUR FAULT as a NATION. Israel being in the Middle East isn't soley a Zionist vision, it's was backed by the U.S. & The U.N. so it's a shared blame. Here is where the FAULT lies, in the continued role the U.S. has played in the Middle East as a clandestine police force that ONLY gets involved to serve AMERICAN interests rather than the interests of ARAB peoples. So "GelMibson" it is in fact our fact, if you have an issue being able to read and sort through facts to grasp this concept then you should go back to school or leave these conversings to those who can. Zionists are no conspiracy, neither is OUR role in that region so isn't it NATURAL they are of the same sort? Ask intelligent questions, research for answers THEN and ONLY THEN should you place yourself in the crossfire of such a topic in PUBLIC. You're wrong.
DC Tom Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Israel being in the Middle East isn't soley a Zionist vision, it's was backed by the U.S. & The U.N. so it's a shared blame. Yeah...uh, no. History actually began before 1945, dumbass.
KD in CA Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 OUR FAULT as a NATION. My sense of guilt is overwhelming. Is there any government paid counseling or group therapy available?
DC Tom Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 My sense of guilt is overwhelming. Is there any government paid counseling or group therapy available? Nope. We can't afford it, since we give all our money to the Jews Zionists.
DPowlus Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Yeah...uh, no. History actually began before 1945, dumbass. Sure did. I was born a few years before that so I think I have just a bit more PERSONAL knowledge on the matter. Balfour agreement, President Taft's agreement with Ludwig & Otto Wiltz in 1909...the list my friend is quite long. Stop trying to be a pest and understand facts pal, I know you're all used to arguing as much as possible about nothing but this JOKE is quite serious. Though I'd like to blame you for your lack of knowledge I too share the blame due to thinking we'd have a real conversation here. Well gents I've spent my last shell so say what you say and say what you will but you're the ones who'll be stuck with the bill.
DC Tom Posted June 19, 2011 Posted June 19, 2011 Sure did. I was born a few years before that so I think I have just a bit more PERSONAL knowledge on the matter. Balfour agreement, President Taft's agreement with Ludwig & Otto Wiltz in 1909...the list my friend is quite long. Stop trying to be a pest and understand facts pal, I know you're all used to arguing as much as possible about nothing but this JOKE is quite serious. Though I'd like to blame you for your lack of knowledge I too share the blame due to thinking we'd have a real conversation here. Well gents I've spent my last shell so say what you say and say what you will but you're the ones who'll be stuck with the bill. You were PERSONALLY involved with the Balfour agreement and the Taft administration?
DPowlus Posted June 20, 2011 Posted June 20, 2011 You were PERSONALLY involved with the Balfour agreement and the Taft administration? PERSONAL in the sense I was alive while it was a topic of conversation in many American households, namely our neighbors The Baum's. My father worked in D.C. for a lobbyist and politics was always a well traveled debate for us growing up. YOUR generation on the other hand listens to whatever charlatan is the flavor os the week for you "Personal" views on pretty much everything, do you know that our schooling in those days wasn't geared towards passing a test so as to get federal aid? That we learned PRACTICAL knowledge that had sustained the engine that drove this nation during it's best years. What have you done Sir? Besides "Trolling" (Not sure if that's a real word, or something that has just entered the English language lately) the forums looking to pick a fight without any real stance other than, "Mama's basement is getting damp". Run along scamp
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