Rob's House Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 Heh. Just another desperate vote of no confidence in Fitz. Let the guy play a freakin season going in as the starter. He has been the best Bills QB since Jim Kelly and the one year Bledsoe did well for us with a highly ranked defense. I don't know why people are so quick to want to throw out any BS at QB as long as it isn't Fitz. Give the guy a freakin shot. Maybe we should be giving up a mid round pick for a freakin RT, LT, RG or a run stopping/pass rushing OLB. What a waste of resources. Yeah, but some writer desperate for a story in a time of no news compiled some questionable data to find a situational statistic that projects Fitz in an unfavorable light. Therefore, Fitz sucks, we need whoever else.
ALLEN1QB Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 Not sure I would want him, could be a distraction down the road.
CountDorkula Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 Carson Palmer > Ryan Fitzpatrick. There is a reason that Fitz was a Backup to Palmer. Just look at the stats Palmer is a concsistent 20+TD a year QB. Palmer 86.9 QB Rating Fitz 70 carrer. He would be an upgrade over Fitz. I dont know how people would not be chomping at the bit if we were able to get a probowl QB for a 3rd rd Pick? You saw what Gailey could do with Fitz, Imagine what he could do with palmer.
PromoTheRobot Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 There is a reason that Fitz was a Backup to Palmer. And that reason is draft position. No GM would allow benching a #1 pick for a #7 even if he was outplayed. PTR
Turbosrrgood Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 Well, Mike Brown did draft Andy Dalton with the #35 overall pick - so Brown might be a 'believer' in the retirement threats. In any case, given the rancor that exists between Palmer and the Bengals - along with their nabbing Dalton in the draft, it does appear that Palmer is done in Cincinnati. If that's the case, why offer a mid-round pick for the guy? Wouldn't most teams just wait for him to be released? (Kind of like everyone did when it was obvious the Bills were done with Bledsoe?) Yup, clearly the Bengals are planning for post Palmer life (I was happy the Bills passed on Dalton..., as well as all the other QB's in this draft). I do agree with you though. Fitz played well enough last year, especially compared to who we've had before him recently. The Bills should still be thinking young "franchise" QB for the future, but on a team with low expectations there is no reason to trade picks for minor short term improvement.
DrDawkinstein Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 We already have a QB that is better than Palmer, so no, I would not waste a pick on him.
RyanC883 Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 Now that makes good sense. How 'bout we just grab Giants' FA OG/OT Kevin Boothe to fill a need, add some OL depth, and to... REVERSE THE CURSE!!!! Yeah, if we are giving up picks we need to add to the O line big time. We can get Jackson from the Vikings (I think he's a free agent) or perhaps Dennis Dixon from the Steelers, or Leftwich, or Charlie Batch to backup Fitz. All serve what the Bills are looking for: someone who won't challange Fitz, but could step in if Fitz gets injured and handle playing in the NFL with some degree of competency. (depending on the player we get).
2003Contenders Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 What is the opposite of "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"? The Bills have OWNED Palmer his entire career. Let's hope he winds up with a team that we play often (like Miami).
PDaDdy Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) Carson Palmer > Ryan Fitzpatrick. There is a reason that Fitz was a Backup to Palmer. Just look at the stats Palmer is a concsistent 20+TD a year QB. Palmer 86.9 QB Rating Fitz 70 carrer. He would be an upgrade over Fitz. I dont know how people would not be chomping at the bit if we were able to get a probowl QB for a 3rd rd Pick? You saw what Gailey could do with Fitz, Imagine what he could do with palmer. He will be awesome for us in retirement A few years ago I would have been all for it but do we really need a guy they say this about: "According to NFL Films guru Greg Cosell, Carson Palmer's arm strength has clearly decreased on tape since his 2008 elbow injury. "Not the same passer he was," Cosell says. "Can't drive the ball and make stick throws." Palmer's passes have been fluttering since he tore ligaments and tendons in his throwing arm three years ago. Cosell would've ranked Palmer behind only Peyton Manning and Tom Brady from 2005-2007. If owner Mike Brown were smart, he'd sell high on Palmer while it's still possible. " Edited May 17, 2011 by PDaDdy
papazoid Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 NO WAY !!!! along with losing the 3rd round pick...you inherit a gawdy contract of: 12/29/2005: Signed a six-year, $118.75 million contract extension through 2014. The deal included a $15 million signing bonus and a third-year option bonus of $9 million. 2011-2012: $11.5 million, 2013: $13 million, 2014: $14 million, 2015: Free Agent i don't see Palmer accepting anything but STARTER.
Rockinon Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 OK, everyone. There is something that must be said. How well Fitz did last year is 100% irrelevant to who we should pick up in free agency. We only have 2 QBs on this team and need one or two more. While looking for a QB, we do not look for depth by assuring that that person is not going to push for the starting job. We look for depth by getting the best player available. The idea is to improve the team and not waste time on sub par talent. I want to see Fitz take us to the playoffs as much as any. I like Fitz as much as any, but I do not want us to go into this season with only one viable candidate to lead this team at the QB position. Just stop the worrying over a QB controversy. That is simply a non-factor. We need someone in case Fitz goes down with an injury. Sorry for the rant. Just getting annoyed with people criticizing every possible FA QB because they don't want anyone but Fitz. We need additional depth at this position dammit!!!
Maddog69 Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 I would say no to trading for Palmer for a few reasons: 1.) He is not a long term solution to our QB situation. Even if he did not have diminished skills due to injury, he is at the end of the career agewise. 2.) He is shot. He is not the same since the injuries 3.) He would not want to come here anyway 4.) Would not want to give up a draft pick to get him 5.) Ridiculously high salary would be wasted money.
PDaDdy Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) OK, everyone. There is something that must be said. How well Fitz did last year is 100% irrelevant to who we should pick up in free agency. We only have 2 QBs on this team and need one or two more. While looking for a QB, we do not look for depth by assuring that that person is not going to push for the starting job. We look for depth by getting the best player available. The idea is to improve the team and not waste time on sub par talent. I want to see Fitz take us to the playoffs as much as any. I like Fitz as much as any, but I do not want us to go into this season with only one viable candidate to lead this team at the QB position. Just stop the worrying over a QB controversy. That is simply a non-factor. We need someone in case Fitz goes down with an injury. Sorry for the rant. Just getting annoyed with people criticizing every possible FA QB because they don't want anyone but Fitz. We need additional depth at this position dammit!!! We should get the best free agent QB that we don't have to give up any picks or players for!!!! QB is lower on our list of needs than OL and LB help. If we are going to give up anything or absorb enormous contracts it should be to fill positions of greater need. Edited May 17, 2011 by PDaDdy
CountDorkula Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 Yeah, if we are giving up picks we need to add to the O line big time. We can get Jackson from the Vikings (I think he's a free agent) or perhaps Dennis Dixon from the Steelers, or Leftwich, or Charlie Batch to backup Fitz. All serve what the Bills are looking for: someone who won't challange Fitz, but could step in if Fitz gets injured and handle playing in the NFL with some degree of competency. (depending on the player we get). This is not a knock on you Ryan, but people here decide that they dont want 1 year wonders coming out of college. How is Fitz any different? He has played 1 Average, not even great, but average season his entire career and people are already declaring him starter and that he can lead us to the playoffs? I hope im wrong and he comes back and plays lights out, but I just dont see it based on his career numbers. This is very similar to Derek Anderson, whos number are very similar to Fitz's numbers. I want someone who has proven they can win in this league and have done it before. IMO Palmer is one of those guys.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 C'mon!!!! Really...a 3rd round pick for Carson Palmer? Bulger, Volek, Leftwich....someone with NFL game experience who can step in for Fitz in a pinch. There is absolutely no reason for a young, rebuilding team to let go of valuable draft picks to obtain a QB who is on the downside of his career. Bring in a veteran free agent, sign an undrafted FA QB (Pat Devlin, Adam Weber), and then draft a QB early next year.
Rockinon Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) We should get the best free agent QB that we don't have to give up any picks or players for!!!! QB is lower on our list of needs than OL and LB help. If we are going to give up anything or absorb enormous contracts it should be to fill positions of greater need. I've all ready said that the Bill's probably won't want to give up draft picks, especially for someone as old as Palmer. That wasn't what I was driving at anyway. The thing that I was getting at, is that we still need depth at QB. Something a lot of people are simply writing off completely, simply because we have Fitz. That's crazy. You don't go into the season with just 2 QBs, period. Especially when the one back up we have is Levi. This is a huge priority. As for Palmer, I am not necessarily condoning that. He is just one of many options. Edited May 17, 2011 by Rockinon
DrDawkinstein Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 I've all ready said that the Bill's probably won't want to give up draft picks, especially for someone as old as Palmer. That wasn't what I was driving at anyway. The thing that I was getting at, is that we still need depth at QB. Something a lot of people are simply writing off completely, simply because we have Fitz. That's crazy. You don't go into the season with just 2 QBs, period. Especially when the one back up we have is Levi. This is a huge priority. As for Palmer, I am not necessarily condoning that. He is just one of many options. Agreed completely that we need to bring in more QBs. Luckily, Buddy agrees too as he has said they will go into camp with 4 QBs. But I cant agree with Carson Palmer being one of those QBs. Unless he wants to take a HUGE paycut, and sit behind his former backup (who is playing at a much higher level currently). I dont think the Bills see Palmer as an option. Nor do I think Palmer sees the Bills as an option.
Rockinon Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 This is not a knock on you Ryan, but people here decide that they dont want 1 year wonders coming out of college. How is Fitz any different? He has played 1 Average, not even great, but average season his entire career and people are already declaring him starter and that he can lead us to the playoffs? I hope im wrong and he comes back and plays lights out, but I just dont see it based on his career numbers. This is very similar to Derek Anderson, whos number are very similar to Fitz's numbers. I want someone who has proven they can win in this league and have done it before. IMO Palmer is one of those guys. Actually, the head coach is endorsing Fitz, the general manager and the players around him too. Why wouldn't a fan as well? Not so far fetched as some make it out to be. I don't know about Palmer. The FO must really like him to go after him, but he would first have to actually become available(not very freaking likely) and they would also be willing to give up pick(also not very freaking likely).
Turbosrrgood Posted May 17, 2011 Posted May 17, 2011 But I cant agree with Carson Palmer being one of those QBs. Unless he wants to take a HUGE paycut, and sit behind his former backup (who is playing at a much higher level currently). That's the key, the Bills probably wouldn't consider picking him up at his current contract (I hope). If he were to be let go by Cincy, that contract is out the window and he is a FA. If he didn't draw much interest MAYBE the Bills could consider it. For those who are saying "Palmer sucks", "he's shot", "Can't play since injuries"...I guess you haven't actually watched him play. Like him or not, the guy is good, and was good LAST YEAR. Just because the Bengals suck, doesn't mean he does. Is he Peyton Manning? No way. Is he better than any QB the Bills have had since Jim Kelly by a wide margin? YES, including Fitz. The guy averages 4k yards per season and 26 TD's when healthy, which is what he did last year (Healthy). I think the Bill's should look for a younger, longer term prospect personally, but give the guy some credit. He's accomplished a lot playing on one of the all time worst franchises. T
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