NewEra Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 I think you missed my point completely. I didn't advocate a specific player to bring in. I was commenting about the post from Haven Moses that talked about not wanting to bring in the QB who was a 'threat to Fitz". My statement was that I would be very happy if the Bills could find and bring in a QB who was as good as or better than Fitz because that would make the Bills better. My bad. I agree with that statement as long as we don't over pay.
Keukasmallies Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Recall all the people who posted here last year singing the praises of Jimmy Clauson? Where are they now? Is it possible that Jimmy is just so suspect that Carolina used the first pick to recover from their previous years mistake?
Maddog69 Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Fitz was, at worst, in the middle of the pack of starting QBs a year ago. That means approximately 15 teams don't have a starter who was as productive. It's not about whether or not there's a "competition" -- where are the Bills going to FIND a QB to come in who is as good or better than Fitz? Again, you missed the point. I don't expect the Bills to bring in a top tier QB to compete with Fitz. I was simply questioning the mentality that said it would be a bad thing if they did. But, to answer your question (not that I am advocating acquiring any of these players), here is a list of players who are reportedly going to be avaialble who I would consider to be roughly equal to or better than Fitz: Carson Palmer, McNabb, Hasselbeck, Kolb, Vince Young and to a much lesser degree: Bulger and Delhomme. COmpetition is a good thing. If Fitz is as good as you say, he will beat out any competition they bring in (not that I expect them to). Recall all the people who posted here last year singing the praises of Jimmy Clauson? Where are they now? Is it possible that Jimmy is just so suspect that Carolina used the first pick to recover from their previous years mistake? San Diego did the same thing and drafted Vick to replace Brees. New Orleans is glad SD jumped to judgement so quickly. Maybe the next team to get Clausen will be too. I seriously doubt it, but it is possible.
eball Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Again, you missed the point. I don't expect the Bills to bring in a top tier QB to compete with Fitz. I was simply questioning the mentality that said it would be a bad thing if they did. But, to answer your question (not that I am advocating acquiring any of these players), here is a list of players who are reportedly going to be avaialble who I would consider to be roughly equal to or better than Fitz: Carson Palmer, McNabb, Hasselbeck, Kolb, Vince Young and to a much lesser degree: Bulger and Delhomme. Competition is a good thing. If Fitz is as good as you say, he will beat out any competition they bring in (not that I expect them to). Are any of those guys (besides Kolb) under 40? And Kolb isn't even really "available" -- you'll have to give up a lot to get him in. I don't think there's anything attractive about that list, personally. FWIW, I also don't think there's anything wrong with recognizing that Fitz did a pretty good job last year under trying circumstances, and Chan giving him the "you're the man in 2011" vote of confidence is not stifling competition.
PDaDdy Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) Looks like that is the route we are going to go Who do you suggest or is this a backhanded Fitz bashing thread? We need another guy on the roster that is for sure. Wonder who is available. Recall all the people who posted here last year singing the praises of Jimmy Clauson? Where are they now? Is it possible that Jimmy is just so suspect that Carolina used the first pick to recover from their previous years mistake? I am no Clausen fan but be real. Is it possible that a young QB who needed 1 - 3 years on the bench was thrust into a starting role WAY before he was ready due to injury and his haters jumped all over it to say he sucks? Edited May 2, 2011 by PDaDdy
FreakPop Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Looks like that is the route we are going to go No! that just looks like the route that you want them to go. ...and no I don't believe B Quinn is any better than Fitz. Why can't Fitz just be our guy this year? He is a hell of a leader and he is better than Edwards, JP, Drew, Collins and anyone else the Bills have stuck back there since Kelly and people want to constantly discredit him. He is not the next coming of Kelly but he is better than all those names being thrown around, save a couple of guys.
PDaDdy Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 But, to answer your question (not that I am advocating acquiring any of these players), here is a list of players who are reportedly going to be avaialble who I would consider to be roughly equal to or better than Fitz: Carson Palmer, McNabb, Hasselbeck, Kolb, Vince Young and to a much lesser degree: Bulger and Delhomme. COmpetition is a good thing. If Fitz is as good as you say, he will beat out any competition they bring in (not that I expect them to). Competition at every position is good and necessary unless it's at QB. If you have 2 you don't have 1 is the old saying. You need to know who your guy is and give him the support that he needs. Bringing in the guys you mention to compete with Fitz doesn't accomplish much other than to wreck his confidence in my opinion as they are not clearly better and having been week 1 starters have had more of a chance to prove what they can do. That being said, bring in anyone you want as long as we don't have to give up any picks or sign ridiculous contracts to do it.
QCity Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 This is too easy, you know it's going to be Tyler Thigpen.
4BillsintheBurgh Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Fitz was, at worst, in the middle of the pack of starting QBs a year ago. That means approximately 15 teams don't have a starter who was as productive. It's not about whether or not there's a "competition" -- where are the Bills going to FIND a QB to come in who is as good or better than Fitz? If OBD really does believe in Fitz, they better get him signed beyond 2011. The end of next year is not the time to do it.
stony Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Recall all the people who posted here last year singing the praises of Jimmy Clauson? Where are they now? Is it possible that Jimmy is just so suspect that Carolina used the first pick to recover from their previous years mistake? It is totally possible. It is also totally possible that many viewed Newton a once-in-a-generation type prospect too enticing to pass up. Its also totally possible, and w/ evidence to prove it, that John Fox sandbagged Jimmy Clausen with an offense that made Jauron's look aggressive. Fox had no motive to develop or cater any personnel sets to his QBs strengths. He's worth taking a look at if other options don't present themselves.
PDaDdy Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 This is too easy, you know it's going to be Tyler Thigpen. Hey now there is a thought. He worked with Gailey and had his only good year or something like that I think right?
Chas56 Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 We do need to look for a FA for a year. Neither Brohm nor Brown are answers - even as backups. Someone has to be able to actually play if Fitz goes down. Also, while I like Fitz, he is not the long-term answer. We need to draft a QB next year in the first round, and it looks like there will be a few good ones. Fitz can mentor/compete until the guy overtakes him. Then Fitz can finish out a nice career in Buffalo as the franchise's back-up, ala Frank Reich.
reddogblitz Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) Why can't Fitz just be our guy this year? He is a hell of a leader and he is better than Edwards, JP, Drew, Collins and anyone else the Bills have stuck back there since Kelly and people want to constantly discredit him. I think Fitz should be "the guy" this year. But we do need to get a vet backup QB. I expect us to be on the outskirts of the playoff hunt his year and if the ball bounces our way some, maybe even get in. In October/November/December if Fitz goes out a couple of games, it's not time to start thinking of Luck, it's time to put in a QB that might actaully give us a chance to win a game to stay in the hunt. Of the ones on the list I'd look into the following for backup QB: Marc Bulger Todd Collins Bruce Gradkowski Rex Grossman Tarvaris Jackson Alex Smith Troy Smith Billy Volek Seneca Wallace Other names that if came available I'd go for: Vince Young Donovan McNabb Carson Palmer Kyle Orton And should one of them actually look great in pre season and beat out Fitz, well, this is hardball, and those are the breaks. Edited May 2, 2011 by reddogblitz
Mr. WEO Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Palmer's not available. They won't trade him. Says he will retire before playing for that crappy HC of his.
reddogblitz Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Put your money on Thigpen. That's what everyone said last year.
fansince88 Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 I don't understand this line of thinking. Fitz is not Peyton Manning. Why wouldn't you want the team to find a QB who is just as good as or better than Fitz? Better QB talent would make the team better. I like Fitz, but I would be thrilled if we found another good QB to compete with him. It's only a controversy to message board fans and idiot media. It's a competition to the players. It's a 'what have you done for me lately" league. If Fitz can't handle some competition, he's not who I want starting for the Bills. Ok, who is this someone?
Doc Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 That's what everyone said last year. Except that Thigpen wasn't an UFA and Miami wasn't going to deal him to Buffalo.
Rockinon Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 No! that just looks like the route that you want them to go. ...and no I don't believe B Quinn is any better than Fitz. Why can't Fitz just be our guy this year? He is a hell of a leader and he is better than Edwards, JP, Drew, Collins and anyone else the Bills have stuck back there since Kelly and people want to constantly discredit him. He is not the next coming of Kelly but he is better than all those names being thrown around, save a couple of guys. IMHO, that is not the issue. We need a third QB simply because of the risk of injury. We need another QB and the front office should go after the best they can get in FA. Worrying over whether that QB is going to compete with Fitz is just not an issue either. The idea is to make the team as a whole better.
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