John from Riverside Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Looks like that is the route we are going to go
JinWPB Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Looks like that is the route we are going to go The top free agents and trade baits are probably not on our shopping list ( McNabb, Kolb, T. Smith,Boller,Palmer,ect) and beyond that the picking is pretty poor. We might have to wait till cut down time to find a viable backup.
Haven Moses Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 I think they will pick someone up who is not threat to Fitz. A Croyle or someone like that. This is Fitz's team this year. No more QB controversy.
Aloha22 Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 I think Bills will try to make an inter-division trade for Patriots backup Brian Hoyer. Hoyer had a good 2007 college season and tailed off a bit in 2008 due to Coach Mark Dantonio putting a giant workload on RB Javon Ringer, the NCAA's 4th leading rusher (1,600+ yards) and who led the NCAA in touchdowns that same year with 22.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 I think Bills will try to make an inter-division trade for Patriots backup Brian Hoyer. Hoyer had a good 2007 college season and tailed off a bit in 2008 due to Coach Mark Dantonio putting a giant workload on RB Javon Ringer, the NCAA's 4th leading rusher (1,600+ yards) and who led the NCAA in touchdowns that same year with 22. Nothing against Hoyer, but 1) he can hardly be considered a proven NFL backup 2) trading with Belicheat, lock up your wimmin, keep a tight grip on your booze, and keep the other hand on your wallet
Maddog69 Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 I think they will pick someone up who is not threat to Fitz. A Croyle or someone like that. This is Fitz's team this year. No more QB controversy. I don't understand this line of thinking. Fitz is not Peyton Manning. Why wouldn't you want the team to find a QB who is just as good as or better than Fitz? Better QB talent would make the team better. I like Fitz, but I would be thrilled if we found another good QB to compete with him. It's only a controversy to message board fans and idiot media. It's a competition to the players. It's a 'what have you done for me lately" league. If Fitz can't handle some competition, he's not who I want starting for the Bills.
BiggieScooby Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) Why? Ryan Fitzpatrick is our guy, we have a vet who knows our system in Brian Brohm and a guy entering his second season with Levi Brown. Bringing in Jimmy Clausen, Brady Quinn, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb would only serve to undermine Fitz in '11. If Fitz goes down then we can bring in someone off waivers, an undrafted rookie free agent or someone's practice squad. Fitz turns 29 in November he's still got 4-6 years of elite level play in front of himself if he stays healthy and plays well he's our best hope to win in 2011. If Fitz goes down our season is lost and we'll be looking at a high draft pick in 2012. Edited May 2, 2011 by BiggieScooby
JinWPB Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 I think camp should be about checking out a few more UDFA QBs this year, mine for gold. After cut downs players like Alex Smith, even Clausen ect might be there as a backup.Why sign some aged average QB for a backup, it's not like we're making a SB run this year.If Fitz goes down we'll be playing for "luck" anyway
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) Why? Ryan Fitzpatrick is our guy, we have a vet who knows our system in Brian Brohm and a guy entering his second season with Levi Brown. Bringing in Jimmy Clausen, Brady Quinn, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb would only serve to undermine Fitz in '11. If Fitz goes down then we can bring in someone off waivers, an undrafted rookie free agent or someone's practice squad. Fitz turns 29 in November he's still got 4-6 years of elite level play in front of himself if he stays healthy and plays well and he's our best hope to win in 2011. If Fitz goes down our season is lost and we'll be looking at a high draft pick in 2012. Brian Brohm is an untendered RFA, old rules or new rules he's a goner. Depending on what determines free agency Caleb Hanie, Brodie Croyle or Tyler Thigpen could be options. Croyle & Thigpen both have worked with Chan at KC. Does Fitz have any years of "elite level play" behind him? Edited May 2, 2011 by Ghost of Rob Johnson
NewEra Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 I don't understand this line of thinking. Fitz is not Peyton Manning. Why wouldn't you want the team to find a QB who is just as good as or better than Fitz? Better QB talent would make the team better. I like Fitz, but I would be thrilled if we found another good QB to compete with him. It's only a controversy to message board fans and idiot media. It's a competition to the players. It's a 'what have you done for me lately" league. If Fitz can't handle some competition, he's not who I want starting for the Bills. You want to "find" a qb that can compete with Fitz. Where? The want ads? Craigslist? Do you think there's any FA QBs that can compete with Fitz? IMO, Vince Young and Matt Hasselback are the only 2 that can do that. I doubt VY would he much of a competition due to Fitz already being on the system for a year. VY would have to learn the system and probably wouldn't be a good option to start til mid season, at least. Most on this board hate the thought of VY, I love it, considering our HC and the otter options available. Hasselback is at the end of his career. Seattle doesn't have another good option at qb, and they might let him walk...so why would we want him? If he's available and affordable, he would've be a terrible option strictly as a backup, but Eh. Any other QB that could "compete" with Fitz, is already under contract with another team and we'd have to give up a pick. I'd be ok with trading away a 5-7th round for the right guy, but it may not be easy to find a team willing to part with a viable backup. Here's a list: "find" one that can compete with Fitz. http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php
Max997 Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 I must be losing my mind, when I first read that I thought it was CB's instead of QB's
BiggieScooby Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Does Fitz have any years of "elite level play" behind him? yeah its called 13 games in 2010. I love how people write off 23 tds in 13 games. Did he play at an elite level every game? the answer is no, but he did play good in a majority of the games, the answer must be yes. If the defense hadn't been so poor against the run perhaps we pull off some more wins. The guy can play, he's in the middle of the pack out of 32 starters. If his play continues to improve then we're talking top 25% off the league. He has the opportunity to build off 2010 and prove you wrong. Its anybody's guess, but my guess is this guy delivers.
Ghost of Rob Johnson Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) yeah its called 13 games in 2010. I love how people write off 23 tds in 13 games. Did he play at an elite level every game? the answer is no, but he did play good in a majority of the games, the answer must be yes. If the defense hadn't been so poor against the run perhaps we pull off some more wins. The guy can play, he's in the middle of the pack out of 32 starters. If his play continues to improve then we're talking top 25% off the league. He has the opportunity to build off 2010 and prove you wrong. Its anybody's guess, but my guess is this guy delivers. My issue was with the term "elite," playing good in a majority of games doesn't make him elite in any way. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are elite. He's not in their class and didn't play one game in their class last year. Edited May 2, 2011 by Ghost of Rob Johnson
VADC Bills Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 (edited) Why? Ryan Fitzpatrick is our guy, we have a vet who knows our system in Brian Brohm and a guy entering his second season with Levi Brown. Bringing in Jimmy Clausen, Brady Quinn, Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb would only serve to undermine Fitz in '11. If Fitz goes down then we can bring in someone off waivers, an undrafted rookie free agent or someone's practice squad. Fitz turns 29 in November he's still got 4-6 years of elite level play in front of himself if he stays healthy and plays well he's our best hope to win in 2011. If Fitz goes down our season is lost and we'll be looking at a high draft pick in 2012. It's about winning games. You get the best QB available and let the competition determine who the starter will be. Fitz has never played at an elite level. He has played at an acceptable level. If Orton or Young is available I would bring one in. He has progressively gotten better and has showed that he can win games. Edited May 2, 2011 by VADC Bills
BiggieScooby Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 My issue was with the term "elite," playing good in a majority of games doesn't make him elite in any way. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are elite. He's not in their class and didn't play one game in their class last year. Fair enough, I should have written prime of his career, which he is in. Peyton Manning (35yrs) & Tom Brady (34yrs when the season starts) are the best, however their days on top will soon be over thanks to that damn thing called time. I think the next wave of elite players is Aaron Rodgers, & Matt Ryan. Ryan Fitzpatrick is not in that class, and never will be. That said Jim Kelly wasn't at Elway's or Marino's level and yet he beat them, because he was on the better TEAM. Give Fitz a good roster and a "good" quarterback may just be the elite quarterback.
Haven Moses Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 Fitz played well enough to get a full shot this season. No training camp battles, no "controversy". He is smart, he plays tough, and he's a leader. He's been through the learning curve of the Gailey offense.
Maddog69 Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 You want to "find" a qb that can compete with Fitz. Where? The want ads? Craigslist? Do you think there's any FA QBs that can compete with Fitz? IMO, Vince Young and Matt Hasselback are the only 2 that can do that. I doubt VY would he much of a competition due to Fitz already being on the system for a year. VY would have to learn the system and probably wouldn't be a good option to start til mid season, at least. Most on this board hate the thought of VY, I love it, considering our HC and the otter options available. Hasselback is at the end of his career. Seattle doesn't have another good option at qb, and they might let him walk...so why would we want him? If he's available and affordable, he would've be a terrible option strictly as a backup, but Eh. Any other QB that could "compete" with Fitz, is already under contract with another team and we'd have to give up a pick. I'd be ok with trading away a 5-7th round for the right guy, but it may not be easy to find a team willing to part with a viable backup. Here's a list: "find" one that can compete with Fitz. http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php I think you missed my point completely. I didn't advocate a specific player to bring in. I was commenting about the post from Haven Moses that talked about not wanting to bring in the QB who was a 'threat to Fitz". My statement was that I would be very happy if the Bills could find and bring in a QB who was as good as or better than Fitz because that would make the Bills better.
BiggieScooby Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 It's about winning games. You get the best QB available and let the competition determine who the starter will be. Fitz has never played at an elite level. He has played at an acceptable level. If Orton or Young is available I would bring one in. He has progressively gotten better and has showed that he can win games. True, it is about winning games, and making the plays to win them. Steve Johnson's drop not withstanding Fitz & the rest of our roster didn't make enough "game-winning" plays when the game was on the line. Fitz is in the prime of his career and playing at a high level as compared to his peers. He is in the top half of all the QBs in the league in terms of his performance last year. You can bang on completion percentange all you want, but Orton & Young have won games based upon being on squads with better rosters and coaches. Fitz has been paired with Gailey one season and showed tremendous growth as the season wore on. Putting Fitz in a "competition" for starting QB would be a shame. He has earned the job and should be given managements full support. Without Fitz last year we'd have gone 0-16.
eball Posted May 2, 2011 Posted May 2, 2011 I don't understand this line of thinking. Fitz is not Peyton Manning. Why wouldn't you want the team to find a QB who is just as good as or better than Fitz? Better QB talent would make the team better. I like Fitz, but I would be thrilled if we found another good QB to compete with him. It's only a controversy to message board fans and idiot media. It's a competition to the players. It's a 'what have you done for me lately" league. If Fitz can't handle some competition, he's not who I want starting for the Bills. Fitz was, at worst, in the middle of the pack of starting QBs a year ago. That means approximately 15 teams don't have a starter who was as productive. It's not about whether or not there's a "competition" -- where are the Bills going to FIND a QB to come in who is as good or better than Fitz?
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