Buftex Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Ummmm no I wasn't aware of that. But I'm quite sure the reports are coming from administration press conferences and officials speaking off the record who are usually trusted sources for major media outlets. If you have the data showing it's all 3rd hand then put it forth. Not sure why anyone would care since the only people there were seals, dead or muzzled in a Paki jail. Anyway the main point was the fishiness of the woman shield story, and how peope were nonetheless reacting to it. Its turning out to have been worthy of skepticism. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/03/white-house-revises-bin-laden-final-moments_n_857073.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C60282
truth on hold Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) If the source is from administration officials, then it's at least a 3rd person account, because A: they're not the guys in combat and B: not the commanding officer. So do the math. And the female human shield story has changed from Osama using a woman as a human shield to his courier using a human shield. Easy to see how the two got transposed in the initial reports. In any event, if the US was going to go through the trouble of orchestrating this kill, wouldn't it be an easier sell to kill him in some remote mountain dugout, instead of middle of Pakistan, knowing that you will inflame an already tense relationship in the latter? Are people at all capable of non-serial thought? ummm, it's unlikely we'll ever hear from the seals who did the actual shooting. So if that's your standard then we'll never know anything. But we are hearing from people in the State Department, Pentagon and President who were in direct contact with the mission. Their initial report came out basically as a script which they wanted to read "no civilian, women or children casualties. If any of the above are killed claim they were being used as shields by OBL. Also claim OBL was buried at sea to respect Muslim traditions." Now we're finding out neither of those OFFICIAL releases were accurate. Back to your regularly scheduled fantasy ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/03/white-house-revises-bin-laden-final-moments_n_857073.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C60282 "Reading from a script carefully crafted by the Defense Department" exactly what they were doing with the initial releases ... reading a script of how they wanted the world to think it went down. Edited May 3, 2011 by Joe_the_6_pack
Chef Jim Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Back to your regularly scheduled fantasy ... Back to your regularly scheduled "it's none of your !@#$ing business!"
Rob's House Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 "Paki" is a racial slur? I thought it was just shorthand. I guess this explains why Wilsonians get so pissed when I call them Wilsonites
GG Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 "Paki" is a racial slur? I thought it was just shorthand. I guess this explains why Wilsonians get so pissed when I call them Wilsonites Yes it is a racial slur. Try passing off a simple shorthand to your Japanese friend and see if he agrees.
LeviF Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 "Paki" is a racial slur? I thought it was just shorthand. Head over to England. You'll hear the BNP lackeys throwing it around all the time.
GG Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Now we're finding out neither of those OFFICIAL releases were accurate. Which usually happens when you rely on third person accounts.
Rob's House Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Yes it is a racial slur. Try passing off a simple shorthand to your Japanese friend and see if he agrees. This explains so much. I thought the middle finger was just a Japanese way of saying hi.
truth on hold Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Which usually happens when you rely on third person accounts. Lol @ Panetta on the wire with seals as the operation went down as "3rd person"
Chef Jim Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Lol @ Panetta on the wire with seals as the operation went down as "3rd person" Let's do the math 1. Navy Seal 2. Panetta 3. Whoever you heard it from.
truth on hold Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Let's do the math 1. Navy Seal 2. Panetta 3. Whoever you heard it from. And an official white house briefing therein would actually be considered one source. As I stated earlier if you're waiting for the seals to tell it directly don't hold your breath; their identities may never be made publicly available.
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 Head over to England. You'll hear the BNP lackeys throwing it around all the time. I asked a co-worker after work last night and that is what he said... He lived ouside of London for a while before coming back to work here in the States (his ex-wife is from England). My question is, why did we give that piece of garbage Muslim burial rites? We should have treated him with the same respect and courtesy his Somalian lackeys showed our soldiers. :wallbash: Separate your emotions from your rational head. I am not knocking your emotions... You have every right to them.
Nanker Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 I'm confused. I thought we were a nation of laws and he would have to be captured, brought to the US and tried in a Federal court in Manhattan with all the rights afforded to enemy combatants under the Geneva Convention and the US Constitution. What happened?
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 3, 2011 Posted May 3, 2011 (edited) I'm confused. I thought we were a nation of laws and he would have to be captured, brought to the US and tried in a Federal court in Manhattan with all the rights afforded to enemy combatants under the Geneva Convention and the US Constitution. What happened? My gut feeling? He committed suicide. Really. If he did, you think they would dare to say the truth? IMO, you make him look like a dog, clinging to life and the material world. Works great for secular guys like Gaddafi or Saddam Hussein... They would fall right into line. Kinda a sticky issue with OBL. NO way should we make him look like a martyr. I wanna see the videos and photos of the op? Is that possible? Actually the shot that took him out? Put everything to rest. Edited May 3, 2011 by ExiledInIllinois
Peace Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 I'm confused. I thought we were a nation of laws and he would have to be captured, brought to the US and tried in a Federal court in Manhattan with all the rights afforded to enemy combatants under the Geneva Convention and the US Constitution. What happened? What? We try every enemy combatant?
DC Tom Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 I wanna see the videos and photos of the op? Is that possible? Actually the shot that took him out? Put everything to rest. Do you have ANY idea how high video of a SEAL mission like that would be classified?
Doc Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 (edited) "I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy." MLK BTW, MLK didn't say this. Some chick on Facebook made it up and put it before a real quote by MLK, and some friends quoted the whole thing, thus creating the impression that he said it. Edited May 4, 2011 by Doc
....lybob Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 BTW, MLK didn't say this. Some chick on Facebook made it up and put it before a real quote by MLK, and some friends quoted the whole thing, thus creating the impression that he said it. here's a real MLK quote We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Bronc24 Posted May 4, 2011 Posted May 4, 2011 here's a real MLK quote We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies. Martin Luther King, Jr. So...just so I have this straight....the good in Osama should have been considered before he died like the B word he was? Or should the SEALS have sung kumbaya with him?
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