stevestojan Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 You find one place where I've ever said something even remotely similiar. Hint: It doesn't exist. I'm sick of the uninformed pissing on the Constitutional right that our ancestors spilled their blood to ensure. 164435[/snapback] Darin, go re-read my post. I said "let me at least take your sentence and say it to some others here" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcjeff215 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Didn't we just have this same argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Just how do you know that for certain? Many, many times-the perp retreats out the door as fast as he can at the mere sight of a firearm. It's very low percentage for them. It's much easier to rob or rape a defenseless target. One would assume that these are easy to find. If they advance, the key thing is to be willing to use it once it comes out. In situations where people have had their own weapon used against them, chances are they were unfamiliar with the weapon (lack of training/practice) or lacked the will to actually use it (shouldn't have had one, not emotionally equipped). 164402[/snapback] I hear you and agree... You last paragraph says it all... You gotta be willing to use. I am not at all against firearms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I don't know and neither do you. But the "carte blanche" attitude that introducing a firearm would have automatically made it worse pisses me off, as does the use of stupid media stories from the anti-gun side of the argument. You don't want to own a gun? Fine. Just don't demonize them like you're some kind of expert on the subject. 164409[/snapback] I didn't feel that I was demonizing it... Just realizing that some are not able to carry through with their actions as your family or you might... In that case, it is better not to introduce it. In my case, I would feel perfectly comfortable carrying out an armed action... I can't say that about my wife, she just wouldn't be comfortable... As much as I love her, that kinda of bothers me... Yet, I accept that those are her actions and a firearm would make the matter worsse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I see your point... Yet, it doesn't always go smooth. Most likely the story would have read "3 yr old gets accidently shot by mother," or " dirt bags shoot mother and child with mother's gun." What we just laid out are the possible outcomes... Of course I would take the best, it also carries the most risk... Some don't see it that way, fine. Lay out all possible outcomes and you will see that introducing a firearm makes EVERYTHING that much more risky... Nothing works perfectly in life. 164372[/snapback] You are more likely to be killed in a car accident, fall in your tub, or be killed by a doctors mistake than be shot. http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/medical_mistakes.htm http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 haha... you're funny. That's EXACTLY what I said. No, what I said was, gun supporters can come up with 7 stories. SEVEN. Whereas one simple google will tell you that EVERY YEAR 100,000+ people are injured or killed because obviously people aren't as well trained in gun handling as you assume they should be... 100,000 to SEVEN. Oh, and by the way, his SEVEN stories span 39 years... am i saying guns have only helped in 7 situations over that time span? Of course not. But only an idiot can't see that they have done more harm than good. 164230[/snapback] You haven't come up with one. You state an opinion, but show no facts. At least the 7 stories point to facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 You are more likely to be killed in a car accident, fall in your tub, or be killed by a doctors mistake than be shot. http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/medical_mistakes.htm http://www.nsc.org/lrs/statinfo/odds.htm 164504[/snapback] I realize that... I refuse to be paralyzed by fear. And for the record, I am not calling for removal of our constitutional rights. I just don't think a firearm would have helped in this situation... And as Simon put it, "there is more to the story." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtGodel77 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I realize that... I refuse to be paralyzed by fear. And for the record, I am not calling for removal of our constitutional rights. I just don't think a firearm would have helped in this situation... And as Simon put it, "there is more to the story." 164524[/snapback] A firearm + training + the willingness to use it WOULD have helped in this story. There would be two dead criminals, and a child without abdomenal stab wounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 You haven't come up with one. You state an opinion, but show no facts. At least the 7 stories point to facts. 164522[/snapback] I showed no facts? Sorry, I'll try to find a source that is more credible than The US Center for Disease Control and Prevention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 A firearm + training + the willingness to use it WOULD have helped in this story. There would be two dead criminals, and a child without abdomenal stab wounds. 164629[/snapback] You can say that but, nothing is set in stone. There are so many variables to this story... Would she have pulled a loaded gun out from under her hat? Or do you think a handgun would have been kept out of site, unloaded, knowing a 3 year old child was around?... We just don't know what would have happened?... IMHO, in more instances, the plan of defending yourself with that firearm would have taken numerous twists. Just be thankful that both are alive and recovering... If they want to take a different route next time, let them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB27 Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 The right to bear arms is one of the many things listed in the Bill of Rights that makes this country so awesome. You may not like guns, but don't deciede that no one should have them because of your belief that they are bad. Don't carry a gun if you don't want. I know that I will be able to protect myself and my family when and if the circumstances warrant. No one will stab my wife, any of my children, or any other innocent person if I am around. Even you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 The right to bear arms is one of the many things listed in the Bill of Rights that makes this country so awesome. You may not like guns, but don't deciede that no one should have them because of your belief that they are bad. Don't carry a gun if you don't want. I know that I will be able to protect myself and my family when and if the circumstances warrant. No one will stab my wife, any of my children, or any other innocent person if I am around. Even you! 164665[/snapback] Still (and I'm probably one of the more ardent supporters of the second ammendment) I'm not comfortable with folks that just go buy one, load it, and put it in the drawer. When someone is breaking down the door is a poor time to fire a weapon for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 Still (and I'm probably one of the more ardent supporters of the second ammendment) I'm not comfortable with folks that just go buy one, load it, and put it in the drawer. When someone is breaking down the door is a poor time to fire a weapon for the first time. 164697[/snapback] In addition to that, if you ask someone how they are going to protect their kids from a gun, they will tell you that it is always kept locked up. (which it should be with kids in the house). But, if its locked up, and you need it at a seconds notice, it's kind of not worth the risk, no? I mean, its a catch-22 for gun activists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 In addition to that, if you ask someone how they are going to protect their kids from a gun, they will tell you that it is always kept locked up. (which it should be with kids in the house). But, if its locked up, and you need it at a seconds notice, it's kind of not worth the risk, no? I mean, its a catch-22 for gun activists. 164702[/snapback] I fortunately don't have that problem. I live alone. I actually use a loaded .380 as a paperweight on my desk. This, to me, could be a good fit for the "smart gun" technology, where the gun is electronically "fitted" to it's owner. No one else is able to fire it. That way, one could have a loaded 9 on the shelf, without fear of the kids blowing each other away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I fortunately don't have that problem. I live alone. I actually use a loaded .380 as a paperweight on my desk. This, to me, could be a good fit for the "smart gun" technology, where the gun is electronically "fitted" to it's owner. No one else is able to fire it. That way, one could have a loaded 9 on the shelf, without fear of the kids blowing each other away. 164709[/snapback] oh.... my.....god.... I just searched for ".380" on google images. . . I then clicked on the first picture that came up... (a guy in a blue jacket walking in a wooded area). After clicking on that, it gives you a bunch of pics. I clicked on the first one. It's one of those things you cannot unsee.... seriously... WTF? Is that legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 I fortunately don't have that problem. I live alone. I actually use a loaded .380 as a paperweight on my desk. This, to me, could be a good fit for the "smart gun" technology, where the gun is electronically "fitted" to it's owner. No one else is able to fire it. That way, one could have a loaded 9 on the shelf, without fear of the kids blowing each other away. 164709[/snapback] As long as it's of the biometric variety, as opposed to the RFID. It would also prevent an assailant from turning your own gun against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 oh.... my.....god.... I just searched for ".380" on google images. . . I then clicked on the first picture that came up... (a guy in a blue jacket walking in a wooded area). After clicking on that, it gives you a bunch of pics. I clicked on the first one. It's one of those things you cannot unsee.... seriously... WTF? Is that legal? 164714[/snapback] You'd have to post the link. .380 is the caliber of a weapon, it's actually a short cased 9mm. The one I'm refering to is a small backup double action semi auto pistol I carry when I'm not wearing enough to cover my full sized 9. AMT .380 BU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 You'd have to post the link. .380 is the caliber of a weapon, it's actually a short cased 9mm. The one I'm refering to is a small backup double action semi auto pistol I carry when I'm not wearing enough to cover my full sized 9. 164728[/snapback] no f-cking way I'm posting that link... I know .380 is a caliber of gun. I just wanted to see what you were using as a paper weight So I googled: ".380" with Google images... The first picture was what appeared to be a guy in the woods with a gun. I clicked. It lead to a page of pictures. I couldn't really make out the first one. I open it, and its about 5 10-14 year old kids (boys) naked in a "tent" made out of twigs and things. WTF? seriously... WTF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_BiB_ Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 no f-cking way I'm posting that link... I know .380 is a caliber of gun. I just wanted to see what you were using as a paper weight So I googled: ".380" with Google images... The first picture was what appeared to be a guy in the woods with a gun. I clicked. It lead to a page of pictures. I couldn't really make out the first one. I open it, and its about 5 10-14 year old kids (boys) naked in a "tent" made out of twigs and things. WTF? seriously... WTF... 164733[/snapback] I tried not to see that. Linked to mine in an edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 You'd have to post the link. .380 is the caliber of a weapon, it's actually a short cased 9mm. The one I'm refering to is a small backup double action semi auto pistol I carry when I'm not wearing enough to cover my full sized 9. AMT .380 BU 164728[/snapback] I've got a small S&W 9MM I carry when I can't fit the Glock .45 in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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