NewEra Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Come on man. DreReed83 gets the ignore. If y'all didn't take his troll bait, I wouldn't have to see his posts. Don't feed the Trolls. I am guilty of feeding the troll! But that post made me chuckle.
KD in CA Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Lets assume the bolded is true, is someone not named al davis going to pay the kid that money? nah. There is no way that offense was that simple. The kid might not be the next big thing but we are oversimplifying things here. And sure there are plenty of legitimate concerns. But if he was really that football stupid, dont you think his stock would be dropping? He has interviewed with a number of teams, i havent seen one report saying he doesnt know his stuff. That carries more weight than a TV special. And how do you know his stock isn't dropping? Because Mel Kiper says so? And yes, sadly some teams will allow themselves to get bullied into making a bad pick out of fear of backlash from media talking head who think they should have drafted XXX. Just look at the grief Charlie Casserly got for correctly picking Mario Williams over "amazing talents" (and future medicore pros) Reggie Bush and Vince Young.
The Cincinnati Kid Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 So, you loved what you saw on the field and wanted to see him in a bills uniform, but have changed your mind because of what exactly? He said he wanted to be an icon and he sat down with gruden and said some more things you dont like. Meanwhile, the guy who interviewed him, a knowledgeable QB guru, said he's the best player in the draft. Not just qb, but player. Now you don't wouldnt touch him with a 10 foot pole. I'm not sold on him, but I don't understand how someone could love him, then hate him based on some things that he said. I can understand if he slipped on your board some, but to go from love to hate after hearing some things he said confuses me. obviously you feel this way, but it's hard for me to understand how you can shift so much with mere words being said. Yes, watching him play football, in what seems like a very vanilla system*, I thought Cam Newton was the best football player in the College game. He probably is the best football player in the draft. I, personally, feel that being a FOOTBALL player is extremely different than being a Quarterback. The best football player on the Bills is probably Kyle Williams. Should he line up at QB because he is our BEST player? I sure hope not. Maybe our best athlete is CJ Spiller, but I don't want him at QB either. Newton saying that he wants to be an ICON and ENTERTAINER is terrifying. Look dude, the NFL will go on with or without Cam Newton, no doubts. Cam Newton will not be millionaire without the NFL. He certainly won't be a millionaire for long if he'd rather be an ICON than a Quarterback. I seriously doubt that any QB currently in the HoF went into the league thinking they were going to be an ICON within a few short years. I am pretty sure all of those guys went into the NFL thinking that they wanted to WIN and do everything that it takes to win. Its just my opinion and feelings about things. A huge part of drafting guys, especially in Rd 1 of the draft where there is so much money being handed out is knowing their personality. You don't get that from just watching a guy play football. You get that by listening to what he says and how he acts between the games in college and the draft night. Tebow said all the right things. Newton is not. I wanted Tebow after watching him play football, and even more after listening to him and how he was going to work harder than ever to be the best he could be. Not once did he talk about being an ENTERTAINER or ICON. If you work hard enough it comes. If you rely on your god-given talents, sometimes that isn't enough. Just remember Boobie Miles from Friday Night Lights...dude shouldda lifted some weights. You can't just look at the tapes. Its just not enough information. There is so much more than what a guy has done in between the white lines. Thats why guys like JaMarcus Russell sucked.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) Newton saying that he wants to be an ICON and ENTERTAINER is terrifying. Look dude, the NFL will go on with or without Cam Newton, no doubts. Cam Newton will not be millionaire without the NFL. He certainly won't be a millionaire for long if he'd rather be an ICON than a Quarterback. I seriously doubt that any QB currently in the HoF went into the league thinking they were going to be an ICON within a few short years. I am pretty sure all of those guys went into the NFL thinking that they wanted to WIN and do everything that it takes to win. Its just my opinion and feelings about things. A huge part of drafting guys, especially in Rd 1 of the draft where there is so much money being handed out is knowing their personality. You don't get that from just watching a guy play football. You get that by listening to what he says and how he acts between the games in college and the draft night. Tebow said all the right things. Newton is not. I wanted Tebow after watching him play football, and even more after listening to him and how he was going to work harder than ever to be the best he could be. Not once did he talk about being an ENTERTAINER or ICON. If you work hard enough it comes. If you rely on your god-given talents, sometimes that isn't enough. Just remember Boobie Miles from Friday Night Lights...dude shouldda lifted some weights. You can't just look at the tapes. Its just not enough information. There is so much more than what a guy has done in between the white lines. Thats why guys like JaMarcus Russell sucked. You are wrong, and misunderstanding, misquoting, and misrepresenting Cam Newton here. Did you miss all of the coverage "post-controversy" that showed how Peter King took that one little statement OUT OF CONTEXT from a question about Newton's UNDER ARMOR CONTRACT, and a conversation that had NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL?????!???!?!?!?! Here is the basic rundown: PK: Cam, how do you justify getting a multi-Million Dollar endorsement deal before ever playing a down of football in the NFL Cam: I see myself not only as a football player, but an entertainer and icon. And he IS an icon and entertainer. He is already considered an Icon at Auburn and therefore throughout most of the south. It's NOT as if the question was "How do you see your Pro career going?", and he answered with "Becoming an icon and entertainer". It was ONLY about his endorsement deal, and why he thought he got that much money already. AND HE WAS RIGHT. And it was an innocent statement. JEEZ LOUISE. Edited April 19, 2011 by DrDankenstein
DreReed83 Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) You are wrong, and misunderstanding, misquoting, and misrepresenting Cam Newton here. Did you miss all of the coverage "post-controversy" that showed how Peter King took that one little statement OUT OF CONTEXT from a question about Newton's UNDER ARMOR CONTRACT, and a conversation that had NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL?????!???!?!?!?! Here is the basic rundown: And he IS an icon and entertainer. He is already considered an Icon at Auburn and therefore throughout most of the south. It's NOT as if the question was "How do you see your Pro career going?", and he answered with "Becoming an icon and entertainer". It was ONLY about his endorsement deal, and why he thought he got that much money already. AND HE WAS RIGHT. And it was an innocent statement. JEEZ LOUISE. There were better ways of answering that question. He just wanted to talk himself up. Edited April 19, 2011 by DreReed83
Bangarang Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2011/04/cam_newton_flunks_camp_gruden.php Hilarious article on Newton's segment with Gruden. I laughed pretty good at some of this stuff.
DreReed83 Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2011/04/cam_newton_flunks_camp_gruden.php Hilarious article on Newton's segment with Gruden. I laughed pretty good at some of this stuff. BUAHAHAHHAHAHAHA !!!! Best post and article. EVER. You people actually want this guy as your QB? Edited April 19, 2011 by DreReed83
The Cincinnati Kid Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) You are wrong, and misunderstanding, misquoting, and misrepresenting Cam Newton here. Did you miss all of the coverage "post-controversy" that showed how Peter King took that one little statement OUT OF CONTEXT from a question about Newton's UNDER ARMOR CONTRACT, and a conversation that had NOTHING TO DO WITH FOOTBALL?????!???!?!?!?! Here is the basic rundown: And he IS an icon and entertainer. He is already considered an Icon at Auburn and therefore throughout most of the south. It's NOT as if the question was "How do you see your Pro career going?", and he answered with "Becoming an icon and entertainer". It was ONLY about his endorsement deal, and why he thought he got that much money already. AND HE WAS RIGHT. And it was an innocent statement. JEEZ LOUISE. I'm not WRONG. I have my opinions. You have yours. You are not wrong. I am not wrong. You take it your way, I take it mine. Why is he signing endorsement deals anyway? He hasn't done anything! To me saying he wants to be an ICON and ENTERTAINER regardless of the context says a lot about who he is and his desires. It makes me not want him on the team that I cheer for. I know I wouldn't pick him if I were Nix. Thats just me. I respect your opinion to write it off as something said innocently said. Thats fine for you. Its not fine for me. Personally, being an ICON is a lot more than having one good year in college and winning a BCS title...Tee Martin. Being an ICON of the game of football takes Super Bowl Championships not BCS titles. If you think you are going to waltz right into the NFL and be an ICON because you one 14 games at the D-1 level of college football...Wow...The NFL and D-1 are not even close to the same animal. Terrifying if that is the way he thinks. But thats just my opinion. Edited April 19, 2011 by Champjb10
DreReed83 Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 I'm not WRONG. I have my opinions. You have yours. You are not wrong. I am not wrong. You take it your way, I take it mine. Why is he signing endorsement deals anyway? He hasn't done anything! To me saying he wants to be an ICON and ENTERTAINER regardless of the context says a lot about who he is and his desires. It makes me not want him on the team that I cheer for. I know I wouldn't pick him if I were Nix. Thats just me. I respect your opinion to write it off as something said innocently said. Thats fine for you. Its not fine for me. Personally, being an ICON is a lot more than having one good year in college and winning a BCS title...Tee Martin. Being an ICON of the game of football takes Super Bowl Championships not BCS titles. If you think you are going to waltz right into the NFL and be an ICON because you one 14 games at the D-1 level of college football...Wow...The NFL and D-1 are not even close to the same animal. Terrifying if that is the way he thinks. But thats just my opinion. LOTS of athletes do it. Almost everyone who's supposed to be someone signs a big endorsement deal. Lebron was a multi-millionaire before he was even drafted. Sebastion Telfair made money. Its part of the business. I just don't like the way he answered the question.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 (edited) I'm not WRONG. I have my opinions. You have yours. You are not wrong. I am not wrong. You take it your way, I take it mine. Why is he signing endorsement deals anyway? He hasn't done anything! To me saying he wants to be an ICON and ENTERTAINER regardless of the context says a lot about who he is and his desires. It makes me not want him on the team that I cheer for. I know I wouldn't pick him if I were Nix. Thats just me. I respect your opinion to write it off as something said innocently said. Thats fine for you. Its not fine for me. Personally, being an ICON is a lot more than having one good year in college and winning a BCS title...Tee Martin. Being an ICON of the game of football takes Super Bowl Championships not BCS titles. If you think you are going to waltz right into the NFL and be an ICON because you one 14 games at the D-1 level of college football...Wow...The NFL and D-1 are not even close to the same animal. Terrifying if that is the way he thinks. But thats just my opinion. If you take that entire conversation in context, and still somehow say that "he would rather be an Icon than a QB", then you are incorrect as you misunderstood the conversation. He hasnt done anything? He won a National Championship and Heisman Trophy in College Football which currently is BIGGER than the NFL was in the 80s/90s. Regardless of his future NFL career, like it or not, he IS a celebrity and superstar down here. You seem to be jumping to A LOT of conclusions which is irrational, illogical, and simply not a fair way to assess your draft choices. But whatever man. Go ahead. Haters gonna hate. LOTS of athletes do it. Almost everyone who's supposed to be someone signs a big endorsement deal. Lebron was a multi-millionaire before he was even drafted. Sebastion Telfair made money. Its part of the business. I just don't like the way he answered the question. Ill give you that. There are a couple different ways he SHOULDVE answered that question. First off, as Marshall Faulk pointed out, one of the first things you learn in handling the media as a pro is ALWAYS stating the question in your answer so you arent taken out of context. In that case, he shouldve said "The reason I was offered that endorsement deal before I've ever played in the NFL is because Im already considered an entertainer and an icon due to my college career" OR, better yet, his answering simply shouldve been "I was offered the deal because of my popularity from winning the National Championship and Heisman Trophy while in college". But the kid fell right into King's trap, and King ate him up on it. Didnt even write an article about it, because then he wouldve had to have posted the whole conversation. He just twittered Newton's out of context answer and let the media sharks do the rest. Whatevs. Edited April 19, 2011 by DrDankenstein
NewEra Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 I'm not WRONG. I have my opinions. You have yours. You are not wrong. I am not wrong. You take it your way, I take it mine. Why is he signing endorsement deals anyway? He hasn't done anything! To me saying he wants to be an ICON and ENTERTAINER regardless of the context says a lot about who he is and his desires. It makes me not want him on the team that I cheer for. I know I wouldn't pick him if I were Nix. Thats just me. I respect your opinion to write it off as something said innocently said. Thats fine for you. Its not fine for me. Personally, being an ICON is a lot more than having one good year in college and winning a BCS title...Tee Martin. Being an ICON of the game of football takes Super Bowl Championships not BCS titles. If you think you are going to waltz right into the NFL and be an ICON because you one 14 games at the D-1 level of college football...Wow...The NFL and D-1 are not even close to the same animal. Terrifying if that is the way he thinks. But thats just my opinion. In order to be an ICON, you first have to be one of the best players in the NfL. I pretty sure he knows that, meaning he plans on working hard to become one of the best players in football. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, or maybe you're not reading into it enough.
The Cincinnati Kid Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 I just dont understand why people on this board feel the need to Hate on peoples opinions. I have mine and you have yours. That doesnt make me irrational or illogical. It makes it my opinion. Eric Crouch won a National Title and Heisman, is he an Icon? I serisously doubt it. As it pertains to the conversation with King, if I read between the lines, which I try to do when people in Newton's position talk, then I am seeing it as him saying he is selfish, cares about himself, as an ego the size of Alaska, and that he thinks he is entitled to everything that he is going to be handed. Its just my opinion. I am not wrong, or illogical for having it. Its what I believe based on everything that I read and heard thus far concerning Cam Newton.
DreReed83 Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 If you take that entire conversation in context, and still somehow say that "he would rather be an Icon than a QB", then you are incorrect as you misunderstood the conversation. He hasnt done anything? He won a National Championship and Heisman Trophy in College Football which currently is BIGGER than the NFL was in the 80s/90s. Regardless of his future NFL career, like it or not, he IS a celebrity and superstar down here. You seem to be jumping to A LOT of conclusions which is irrational, illogical, and simply not a fair way to assess your draft choices. But whatever man. Go ahead. Haters gonna hate. Jamarcus Russell? Jason White? Matt Leinart? Danny Weurffel? Gino Torretta? Troy Smith? Chris Weinke? Which of these national championship winning, heisman trophy winning QBs ever amounted to anything at the next level? I'll make sure to put Cam Newton on this list in a couple years.
NewEra Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 I just dont understand why people on this board feel the need to Hate on peoples opinions. I have mine and you have yours. That doesnt make me irrational or illogical. It makes it my opinion. Eric Crouch won a National Title and Heisman, is he an Icon? I serisously doubt it. As it pertains to the conversation with King, if I read between the lines, which I try to do when people in Newton's position talk, then I am seeing it as him saying he is selfish, cares about himself, as an ego the size of Alaska, and that he thinks he is entitled to everything that he is going to be handed. Its just my opinion. I am not wrong, or illogical for having it. Its what I believe based on everything that I read and heard thus far concerning Cam Newton. Correct, it's your opinion. Many others have the same opinion of him. That doesn't mean your opinion is right nor wrong. The majority of professional athletes have HuGe egos. In some cases it's what sets them apart as athletes due to the fact that not succeeding would be the worst thing for their egos. Egos need to be fed, and success is the fine dining for ego food. What do you think of Michael Jordans ego? Or Kobe Bryant? Or Tiger Woods? How about Brett Favre? I'd hope the guy I pick #3 overall has an ego. 90% of the great ones do imo
DreReed83 Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Correct, it's your opinion. Many others have the same opinion of him. That doesn't mean your opinion is right nor wrong. The majority of professional athletes have HuGe egos. In some cases it's what sets them apart as athletes due to the fact that not succeeding would be the worst thing for their egos. Egos need to be fed, and success is the fine dining for ego food. What do you think of Michael Jordans ego? Or Kobe Bryant? Or Tiger Woods? How about Brett Favre? I'd hope the guy I pick #3 overall has an ego. 90% of the great ones do imo All ended up to be a**h*les. Just sayin.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Jamarcus Russell? Jason White? Matt Leinart? Danny Weurffel? Gino Torretta? Troy Smith? Chris Weinke? Which of these national championship winning, heisman trophy winning QBs ever amounted to anything at the next level? I'll make sure to put Cam Newton on this list in a couple years. You are jumping all over the place here, and this has NOTHING to do with what was being discussed. We werent talking about IF he will succeed or not, we were talking about IF he was already an Icon and Entertainer. And you simply can not deny that he IS an Icon amongst a large number of college football fans, in the HEART of college football country...
NewEra Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 Jamarcus Russell? Jason White? Matt Leinart? Danny Weurffel? Gino Torretta? Troy Smith? Chris Weinke? Which of these national championship winning, heisman trophy winning QBs ever amounted to anything at the next level? I'll make sure to put Cam Newton on this list in a couple years. So you prefer to draft a QB that didnt win in college just because many QBs that have won in the past have failed in the pros? Makes sense. Maybe I'm reading in between the lines, but that what it looks like to me. All the QBs you named are from the BEST football programs in the nation, all with Great head coaches and the best talent in America. Sometimes a program has more to do with the success than the player himself. Could that be the case with Newton, by all means, but I wouldn't put auburn and Chizick up there with the greats yet. Cam had talent on his auburn team, but I would argue that they had less a good amount less than the other QBs teams that you named. newton was a one man show on offense. I agree with you that just because he won a title and the heisman in college, that doesnt mean he'll be a star in the NFL. I think there's a chance he busts, as I think most players have a chance to bust. But, just because the QBs you named didn't pan out, doesn't mean they are relevant to Cam Newton. Only 2 of them were regarded as good prospects. Both played on teams that were absolutely loaded. One is a fat drug addict, the other a weak armed qb that was made to look good by a HC and amazing talent surrounding him. What does that have to do with newton? Nothing, different players, different people.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 In order to be an ICON, you first have to be one of the best players in the NfL. I pretty sure he knows that, meaning he plans on working hard to become one of the best players in football. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, or maybe you're not reading into it enough. No, he is ALREADY AN ICON for what he did in college, when speaking strictly about what he has done up until this point. Just because the College Season is over does NOT mean everything he has accomplished is forgotten. I know a number of people who ONLY follow College football and do not watch the NFL. To them, he is ALREADY an ICON. THIS IS WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY TO PETER KING. Its not that difficult, and it's not that ridiculous of a statement. Maybe all of you are still up in Buffalo and dont understand how HUGE college football is down here. That's all I can figure...
NewEra Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 All ended up to be a**h*les. Just sayin. I'll take an a**h*le that can winus a SB over a nice guy everyday of the week, month, year, decade or century. It's all about the titles, in which we have zero.
DrDawkinstein Posted April 19, 2011 Posted April 19, 2011 I just dont understand why people on this board feel the need to Hate on peoples opinions. I have mine and you have yours. That doesnt make me irrational or illogical. It makes it my opinion. Eric Crouch won a National Title and Heisman, is he an Icon? I serisously doubt it. As it pertains to the conversation with King, if I read between the lines, which I try to do when people in Newton's position talk, then I am seeing it as him saying he is selfish, cares about himself, as an ego the size of Alaska, and that he thinks he is entitled to everything that he is going to be handed. Its just my opinion. I am not wrong, or illogical for having it. Its what I believe based on everything that I read and heard thus far concerning Cam Newton. You can have your opinion of him, if you dont like him that is fine. But when we discuss WHY you do not like him, and you say "Because he is an Orange Chicken Alien from Outerspace and everyone knows Chicken Aliens from Outerspace cant play football", then the things you have based your opinion off of are INCORRECT, and therefore your opinion is invalid as it pertains to this discussion. An opinion does NOT equal an EDUCATED OPINION. All Im saying is that the "facts" or points you are basing your opinion off of are incorrect. So what does that make of your opinion? I'll take an a**h*le that can winus a SB over a nice guy everyday of the week, month, year, decade or century. It's all about the titles, in which we have zero. Dont you know that Jim Kelly has ALWAYS been a church loving, family man active in community charities?!? Oh wait, he spent most of his career coked out and throwing glasses at girls in bars who wouldnt talk to him... But Newton thinks he's an entertainer, so we shouldnt draft him. Im with you here NE, Id rather take an a-hole who will win us games than another "nice guy".
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