boyst Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 The argument has shifted to focus around his hands? Yes, they are not as big as one would hope, and it is disappointing. Stats have shown a smaller handed QB has more struggles in the NFL then a large handed QB. As far as his measurements go, there are other numbers which he excels in that there might be enough reason to not too negatively cast a shaddow on that number. His height and weight, for example.
K-9 Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Did I say he'd fail because of his small hands? I said it's something minor to consider. Stop putting words in my mouth to prove a point. That's just lame. Did I say he was gonna be able to run around in the NFL like he did in college? Funny how easy it is to put words in people's mouths, isn't it? I agree. Putting words in the mouths of other people to make a point is pitiful. And I'm glad you recognize that. Now you need to work on being able to recognize that when people seek to enlighten you about a point you make, no matter how MINOR a point you say it is, it's OK to stand corrected and move on. The fact is Newton's hands are NOT too small to play QB in the NFL. Period. Even "for a man his size." We get that you don't like him as a prospect. That's fine. But you don't have to make crap up to support a non-issue in anyone's mind but your own. GO BILLS!!!
DreReed83 Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Did I say he was gonna be able to run around in the NFL like he did in college? Funny how easy it is to put words in people's mouths, isn't it? I agree. Putting words in the mouths of other people to make a point is pitiful. And I'm glad you recognize that. Now you need to work on being able to recognize that when people seek to enlighten you about a point you make, no matter how MINOR a point you say it is, it's OK to stand corrected and move on. The fact is Newton's hands are NOT too small to play QB in the NFL. Period. Even "for a man his size." We get that you don't like him as a prospect. That's fine. But you don't have to make crap up to support a non-issue in anyone's mind but your own. GO BILLS!!! I never accused you of saying that. Did I? I said that to make a point. Stop putting words in my mouth please. Just getting pathetic guys. Really.
greenmohawk Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 He looks like a project. Those throws were all over the place at the combine.
K-9 Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 I never accused you of saying that. Did I? I said that to make a point. Stop putting words in my mouth please. Just getting pathetic guys. Really. From your post, #517 in this thread: ...If you think he's gonna succeed at the NFL level running around like he did in college, you're mistaken.... I'd say that's putting words in my mouth. But that's just one example in one thread for one poster. Just so I'm clear, when we try to make a point we're putting words in your mouth. When you put words in our mouths, you're just trying to make a point. Got it. How are the rabbits? GO BILLS!!!
Mr. WEO Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 I never accused you of saying that. Did I? I said that to make a point. Stop putting words in my mouth please. Just getting pathetic guys. Really. Look, you made a point to remark that his hand size was a "negative", despite that it has pointed out that his hands, relative to the size of an NFL regulation football (which is all that matters), are large. The can be no rational claim that he would have trouble with "ball security" with this big mitts. You made a gratuitous dig at the guy, it blew up and now you're running away from it. THAT'S pathetic, man.
yungmack Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 This whole thread has become "I LOVE CAMMIE!!!" to "I HATE CAMMIE!!!" Yet a certain consensus seems to be emerging: that the kid does have some eye-catching talent, that it's of the "potential" type, that he indeed does fall into the "one year wonder" category & that there are questions about both his character and his commitment. The pro-Cammies say he is committed, his "mistakes" are of the forgivable youthful indiscretion sort, that his one-year success is but a foretaste of what's to come, that the right coaching will develop that potential into amazing success. And obviously the anti-Cammies take the opposite view on all of that. So here's what I take from the discussion: that most people, on either side of the question, agree Newton is a high-risk pick who could as easily turn into a major bust or just possibly become a great QB. And I think that's probably the truth about this guy. So the question for the Bills is, "Do you expend your #3 pick on a guy who could be the Bills next Aaron Maybin/J.P. Losman. Or who could become maybe the greatest QB in franchise history?" And, maybe more importantly, when you have a very decent QB with a year already in your system, and huge, huge needs on defense, does it make sense to make your top pick a guy that even people who support him have to say is a risk (albeit one with a high upside if he succeeds)? Can the Bills franchise realistically withstand yet another failure on a high draft pick? Especially when your most immediate need is defense and there are so many "can't miss" defensive players available? To me, it's a no-brainer. I pass on Cammie so hard and so fast I forget he's even in the draft. For the Bills, it's All Defense, All The Time this year.
CosmicBills Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 DrReed and WEO in a spat? This could elevate this thread to radtastic proportions! Come on, Sphere 'O Beer, let 'em go for a little bit! Think of the entertainment value! (Grabs some popcorn)
bobobonators Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 I don't have the link, but during the senior bowl Chan was talking about mobile quarterbacks, the spread option, the zone read, things that are similar to what is popular in college spread offenses, the things Cam Newton ran better than anyone ever has in college. He commented, "The question is whether or not you want to be ahead or behind the wave. Be cause the wave is coming." LOL..the myth continues.. Newton started one season in his Div I career - ONE SEASON - and he ran the spread better than anyone ever has in college!!! Yes! He sh*ts gold too. Sam Bradford ran a spread at Oklahoma and threw for 50td's in a single season..oh ya, but cam can sure run! PASS.
FluffHead Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 LOL..the myth continues.. Newton started one season in his Div I career - ONE SEASON - and he ran the spread better than anyone ever has in college!!! Yes! He sh*ts gold too. Sam Bradford ran a spread at Oklahoma and threw for 50td's in a single season..oh ya, but cam can sure run! PASS. He did run the zone read and spread option better than anyone
boyst Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Graham thinks Bills interest is genuine I do not doubt it. I think we are interested in him. I do not think Nix will be likely to pull the trigger. We have a lot of ???'s on the roster for 2011. Merriman, SS, R-OT, DL (DT and DE), ILB's, and a backup QB. I really wonder if they will have the confidence to pull the trigger.
NewEra Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) <br>AGAIN...For those who have a difficulty understanding what I'm saying. FOR A MAN OF HIS SIZE. For someone who is 6'5" his hands are on the small side. Compared to Gabbert, Mallett, Stanzi, Ponder who are 10" and over. <br><br>Especially for someone that runs around like that, I'd be weary of his ball security. <br><br>Wait for it......<br> <img src="http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=""><br><br>Wait long enough? You say for "a man of his size" he has small hands. What does his height have to do with his hand size as a qb in the NFL? If he was 6 foot with his current hand size, would that be ok? I'm trying to figure out what "a man of his size" has to do with anything. Can you elaborate?<br><br><br>Newton is some weird Young/Russell/Campbell mishmosh. Plus he wants to be a media star, an "icon", in his words. That is not going to play in WNY. Just won't. The media wishes the Bills would just go away. Trade the 3 to the Redskins (who are just dumb enough to take him based on his 9 games of experience- I know, I live in DC), take their 9 this year and their 2 and 3 next year. Package our 1 next year (which will be top 10 for sure) , plus the Skin's 2 and 3 next year (which will be high picks as well), trade up and get Andrew Luck for crying out loud. <br><br>I love these Bills fans (and I've been one for 40 years) looking for an immediate savior, one that shines a spotlight on their otherwise minor league franchise. Newton is such a risky pick at 3 based on 9 or 10 SEC games in a spread offense. You people are so desperate. Luck is the real deal.. a can't-miss NFL style QB. Worth waiting for, IMO.<br><br><br><br>You act as if we already have the number 1 pick next year. That's unlikely in my book. The team that drafts number 1 will most likely need Andrew Luck. Trading up for him will cost more than we will give up. Waiting for Andrew Luck makes ZERO sense Edited March 1, 2011 by NewEra
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 (edited) I never said Locker was fast, but in comparision to Newton, he is faster. I bet if I would have asked before the run many of you folks would have said he'd be around 4.4, maybe 4.3. And the G-Force? Really? I do not think he is going to be track spikes running full steam in to a LB with 9.3 g's. Of course, we've all seem him plow over defenders, but to think he could copy what he did in that time trial is a bit silly. So let me get this straight Locker 6-3 - 230 lbs, Cam Newton 6-5 - 248 both ran 4.59. Ok now Cam is 2 inches taller and weights 18 pounds more so he's moving a bigger body than Locker. How does that classify Locker as faster? To justify your argument Locker should have ran a 4.5 cuz he is smaller than Newton. Thats like saying Big Foot and a Titan pick-up truck both are the same speed but calling the pick-up truck faster. But not noticing that big foot is a freaking monster truck.. LOL... Edited March 1, 2011 by ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23
CosmicBills Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Graham thinks Bills interest is genuine The most interesting bit in this article to me is the revelation that Nix doesn't believe in trading down ... So, there goes that game plan.
boyst Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 So let me get this straight Locker 6-3 - 230 lbs, Cam Newton 6-5 - 248 both ran 4.59. Ok now Cam is 2 inches taller and weights 18 pounds more so he's moving a bigger body than Locker. How does that classify Locker as faster? To justify your argument Locker should have ran a 4.5 cuz he is smaller than Newton. Thats like saying Big Foot and a Titan pick-up truck both are the same speed but calling the pick-up truck faster. But not noticing that big foot is a freaking monster truck.. LOL... I am trying to keep off the bickering style posts, but will say you are mixing velocity and speed.
ReturnoftheBuffaloBeast23 Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 I am trying to keep off the bickering style posts, but will say you are mixing velocity and speed. Velocity? Where did that come from? Do you know what velocity means? Here i'll help you Definition: Velocity is a vector measurement of the rate and direction of motion or, in other terms, the rate and direction of the change in the position of an object. This is Iconic excuse me IRONIC because this could be considered Newtons first law of physics HAAA!. But anyway no its not velocity because nothing is pushing them to change direction there going straight. A baseball pitcher changes the velocity of a curveball which means he makes it go up or down while curving traveling straight making it change directions. When Locker and Newton ran there 40 they ran straight the 3 cone drill would possibly detect velocity but thats a strecth. But I could be wrong...
boyst Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Velocity? Where did that come from? Do you know what velocity means? Here i'll help you Definition: Velocity is a vector measurement of the rate and direction of motion or, in other terms, the rate and direction of the change in the position of an object. This is Iconic excuse me IRONIC because this could be considered Newtons first law of physics HAAA!. But anyway no its not velocity because nothing is pushing them to change direction there going straight. A baseball pitcher changes the velocity of a curveball which means he makes it go up or down while curving traveling straight making it change directions. When Locker and Newton ran there 40 they ran straight the 3 cone drill would possibly detect velocity but thats a strecth. But I could be wrong... The change of direction would be present when either player were to hit the opposing player, the velocity of the impact would be what matters - does Cam's size make up for that .07 difference then Locker? The velocity of the hit upon the opposing player is what we are talking about, because as a 100% fact the speed trial shows that Newton is .07 slower. It doesn't matter if he is .00001, what you were telling me is that by no means is he slower because of the size of Newton. Either way, I am steering clear of this thread from here out, it is getting way too much.
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