Thoner7 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I know most of you were watching the Sabres, but it was so bad I turned it off for The Parecells draft special last night on ESPN. Nothing too earth shattering, but he did have some cool insight into how teams draft rooms work on draft day and some different scounting techiniques and grading systems he experienced. He also admitted that he puts a lot into prototypical heights and weights. For example unless a guy is 6'5, he doenst project him to T but moves him to G. He expects all his 34 OLBs to be a minimum of 6'3'', QBs to be 6'3'', ect. The most intriguing part was his big board though. It was hard to see because they only panned across it at times, and he didn’t have every player up there. Unless I was reading it wrong, which I don’t think I was, his rankings are quite a bit different than some others we have seen. Amakumora he had above Peterson at CB, Peterson closer to the bottom of his round 1 slot, which indicates he has a later round 1 grade.. He had Nate Irving from NC State as the top ILB, and at the top of the 1st round slot (as opposed to the bottom or middle of the round I assume that makes him a top 10-12 pick?). The next highest ILb was M Wilson as a mid 2. He had JJ Watt as the top DE, Bowers as the 2nd best DE, and had Cameron Heyward as a mid-first round pick, rated above Cam Jordan and Quinn in that order, with Claiborne being the last 1st round DE. Brooks Reed was all the way down in the 4th round on his board. At OT he had Nate Soldier as the top rated LT at the top of the 1st round, Smith as a mid 1st , and Coztanzo as a late 1st. Sherrod was a mid 2nd, and Carimi was a mid THIRD rounder. He had Newton as his top QB, and had Dalton pretty low, mainly because of his lack of size. He had Phil Taylor has a mid 1 and said he was prob the only true 34 NG at the top. Rudolph he had as a late 1 and his next best rated was Stocker in the 3rd I think. At this time, I would like to ask that posters refrain from claiming our, or any, future pick was the “Consensus” best player available. A “Consensus” almost never exists (not even Suh was the consensus best DT available last year), and I think it’s very evident that teams have largely varying grades on players. So if we take Von Miller, or AJ Green, or whoever, I do not want to hear that he was clearly the BPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) And the Bills picked Maybin a one year wonder, who came out early and didn't graduate. No wonder their in the tank. Edited April 27, 2011 by roush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 interesting. I wish Parcells draft board was online. I would like to see his rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 At this time, I would like to ask that posters refrain from claiming our, or any, future pick was the “Consensus” best player available. A “Consensus” almost never exists (not even Suh was the consensus best DT available last year), and I think it’s very evident that teams have largely varying grades on players. So if we take Von Miller, or AJ Green, or whoever, I do not want to hear that he was clearly the BPA. That's a deal as long as you don't complain about the player. He might be high on some boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 That's a deal as long as you don't complain about the player. He might be high on some boards. Just because a player is high on some boards doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about him. Think of it this way…I think everyone would agree that Grey Goose is a top shelf vodka just like Von Miller is a top shelf player (high on most boards). But sometimes when you reach up to that top shelf for the bottle of Grey Goose, you drop it and it crashes on the floor. Often times it's better to reach for one of the "call brands" like Smirnoff…especially if you don't have a bar back who is quick to respond around spills and cautious around broken glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted April 27, 2011 Author Share Posted April 27, 2011 That's a deal as long as you don't complain about the player. He might be high on some boards. Green is high on most boards, but not all boards. I have seen people rank Julio Jones as better than Green for example. Miller is high on most boards, but not all boards. That rogue scout guy on his blog calls Miller “over rated” and a “reach” at 3, for example. Same goes for Dareus and Newton with Fairley and Gabbert respectively. Parcells has Amakumora over Peterson and Watt over all other Des and Heyward over Jordan. Im pretty sure I just discounted every potential top 10 pick from being a consensus BPA at almost any pick, thats all im saying. PS and if you dont want to be complain then you better hope Dareus falls to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 (edited) PS and if you dont want to be complain then you better hope Dareus falls to us. Likewise, if you don't want to hear that the player selected was the best player available, you better hope that we don't draft Newton, Dareus, Miller, or AJ Green. Edited April 27, 2011 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ieatcrayonz Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Green is high on most boards, but not all boards. I have seen people rank Julio Jones as better than Green for example. Miller is high on most boards, but not all boards. That rogue scout guy on his blog calls Miller “over rated” and a “reach” at 3, for example. Same goes for Dareus and Newton with Fairley and Gabbert respectively. Parcells has Amakumora over Peterson and Watt over all other Des and Heyward over Jordan. Im pretty sure I just discounted every potential top 10 pick from being a consensus BPA at almost any pick, thats all im saying. PS and if you dont want to be complain then you better hope Dareus falls to us. That's not all you're saying. What you're saying is that whomever the Bills pick you are going to cherry pick negative opinions and whine like a kid whose candy has been stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted April 27, 2011 Author Share Posted April 27, 2011 That's not all you're saying. What you're saying is that whomever the Bills pick you are going to cherry pick negative opinions and whine like a kid whose candy has been stolen. I didnt say that at all. Stop putting words in my mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phlegm Alley Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Copied from another board: QB: 1st: Newton, Gabbert 2nd: Mallett, Ponder, Locker 3rd: Dalton, Kaepernick -- WR: 1st: Green, Jones 2nd: Smith, Cobb, Young 3rd: Hankerson, Baldwin, Pettis, Jernigan, Gates (?) -- RB: 1st: Ingram 2nd: Williams, Thomas, Leshoure 3rd: Murray, Hunter -- TE: 1st: Rudolph 2nd: None -- OT: 1st: Solder, Smith, Castonzo 2nd: Sherrod, Reid 3rd: Cannon, Carimi, Ijalana -- OG: 1st: None 2nd: Watkins, Wisniewski 3rd: Carpenter, Rackley 4th: Boling, Moffitt -- OC: 1st: Pouncey 2nd: None 3rd: Hudson 4th: Fusco See his defensive rankings after the jump! Star-divide DE: 1st: Watt, Bowers, Heyward, Jordan, Quinn, Clayborne 2nd: Bailey, Acho 3rd: Ballard, Sheard, McPhee 4th: Romeus -- DT/NT: 1st: Dareus, Fairley, Taylor, Wilkerson 2nd: Liuget, Paea, Austin 3rd: Nevis, Ellis, Powell, Jenkins -- OLB: 1st: Miller, Smith, Kerrigan 2nd: Ayers, Moch, Houston -- ILB: 1st: Irving 2nd: Wilson, Carter 3rd: Matthews, Sheppard, Homan 4th: Jones, Sturdivant -- S: 1st: None 2nd: Moore, McDaniel -- CB: 1st: Peterson, Amukamara 2nd: Smith, Williams, Brown(?), Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 It was a very interesting show. Fortunately, I remembered to DVR it and watched after the Sabres game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted April 27, 2011 Author Share Posted April 27, 2011 Okay, but I watched this special as well and Miller was tops on Parcell's board. So, if he is indeed the BPA on all of the boards, I will make a point of letting everyone know. And the Rogue Scout from that article called him over rated at a reach at 3, so he is not the BPA on that dudes board. I'm just saying that there is literally never a time where every evauluator, even if they are professionals, agree that 1 player is BPA, so I would appreciate it if fans around here didnt drown you and I and everyone else with that post after the Bils draft ?????? tomorrow night. Nothing more, nothing less. My comments werent specific to any player, team, or media pundint in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 That show was probably the most educational programming ESPN has run in at least twenty years. I learned a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastRochBillsfan Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 That's a deal as long as you don't complain about the player. He might be high on some boards. That's the first thing I thought after I read the post. Just because a player is high on some boards doesn't mean we shouldn't complain about him. Think of it this way…I think everyone would agree that Grey Goose is a top shelf vodka just like Von Miller is a top shelf player (high on most boards). But sometimes when you reach up to that top shelf for the bottle of Grey Goose, you drop it and it crashes on the floor. Often times it's better to reach for one of the "call brands" like Smirnoff…especially if you don't have a bar back who is quick to respond around spills and cautious around broken glass. San Jose, I'm with crayonz on this. I don't think he's talking about the rest of us, just thoner. I think he's just saying with Thoners history of posting, and his open disdain for Von Miller, you know Thoner is going to go off on the deep end if we pick him, which there is a very good chance of. So, I feel it is a fair trade. When we pick miller, no one qoutes bpa, and thoner doesn't biatch about someone rated by maybe,and i'm guessing here, 90% of the pundits, as a top 3 pick in this draft. Not a "concensus", but when most people are saying it there should be a little merit to it. I didnt say that at all. Stop putting words in my mouth. No Thoner, but he is reading between the lines and that's the way I see it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoner7 Posted April 27, 2011 Author Share Posted April 27, 2011 No Thoner, but he is reading between the lines and that's the way I see it too. Well then you are looking for something that isnt there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdogtim Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Just because you can't see your own a-hole doesn't mean it isn't there. Just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 putting this train back on track here is Parcell's big board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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