Chef Jim Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 People like you just don't want to think about religion. You have no conviction toward your lack of belief. That's fine - I really don't care. Just don't blame me for not being like you. But it's ok for you to blame other people for not being like you. Ok, got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I would never make a joke about the Holocaust because there is evidence that that really happened. Really? Not even "What's the difference between a pizza and a Jew?" Dude, I'm !@#$ing with you. 12 years of Catholic schooling here. I never know, you libs are so retarded, it's hard to know when you're only joking about being stupid. My understanding is that the Rapture isn't actually in the Bible. Maybe you can point to some obscure verse, but I would think such an event would hold a place of prominence in the Good Book along with Christmas and Easter. It wouldn't, because it's Revelation, not in any of the Gospel. Still...I think it is in Revelation somewhere. Don't care enough to look, though - Hal Lindsey wrote a book about it, that's enough to convince me it's fiction. For a self-proclaimed agnostic, you get pretty bent when I start bagging on religion. I'm an empirical agnostic - I believe I can't empirically know. You're an athiestic theorist - you believe you know without any objective evidence either way. It's not religion I'm defending, it's empiricism. Your belief is just as much a priori irrationalism as any religious person's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 But it's ok for you to blame other people for not being like you. Ok, got it. My objective, as I've stated several times, is to push the idea that it's acceptable to lack belief. I try to challenge people to challenge their belief systems. I often do this through ridicule. I often have fun doing so. Sometimes I cross the line, which admittedly probably isn't very effective. Oh, well, nobody's perfect. I'm an empirical agnostic - I believe I can't empirically know. You're an athiestic theorist - you believe you know without any objective evidence either way. It's not religion I'm defending, it's empiricism. Your belief is just as much a priori irrationalism as any religious person's. Why put yourself in a box like that? I was actually responding to Chef with that last bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 People like you just don't want to think about religion. You have no conviction toward your lack of belief. That's why it's called AGNOSTICISM, !@#$wit. Why put yourself in a box like that? Put myself in a box? By admitting that I don't know what I can't know? Want to rethink that one? I was actually responding to Chef with that last bit. I discovered after I posted. I decided my reply was still relevant and informative, so left it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Put myself in a box? By admitting that I don't know what I can't know? Want to rethink that one? An offhanded comment - I should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 (edited) My objective, as I've stated several times, is to push the idea that it's acceptable to lack belief. I try to challenge people to challenge their belief systems. I often do this through ridicule. I often have fun doing so. Sometimes I cross the line, which admittedly probably isn't very effective. Oh, well, nobody's perfect. So you push people that is acceptable to lack belief by ridiculing them for believing and you say it's probably not VERY effective? I'm here to tell you it's not effective at all. Who cares if someone believes in God when you don't. You don't know for sure, neither do I and there's a part of me that hopes I'm wrong. I think the reason for your feelings on this topic goes much deeper than you're willing to admit. Edited April 25, 2011 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 So you push people that is acceptable to lack belief by ridiculing them for believing and you say it's probably not VERY effective? I'm here to tell you it's not effective at all. Who cares if someone believes in God when you don't. You don't know for sure, neither do I and there's a part of me that hopes I'm wrong. I think the reason for your feelings on this topic goes much deeper than you're willing to admit. I think it's not very effective when I cross that "line". We all have issues, don't we... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I think it's not very effective when I cross that "line". We all have issues, don't we... Though "Zombie Jesus Day" was somewhat amusing; I wished my brother a "Happy Zombie Jesus Day" yesterday, he's just enough of a rationalist to laugh. But I dare you to go into a Mosque on whatever day the ascension of Mohammed is celebrated this year, and say "Happy Zombie Mohammed Day!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Though "Zombie Jesus Day" was somewhat amusing; I wished my brother a "Happy Zombie Jesus Day" yesterday, he's just enough of a rationalist to laugh. But I dare you to go into a Mosque on whatever day the ascension of Mohammed is celebrated this year, and say "Happy Zombie Mohammed Day!" Blah..blah...blah....blah.....blah..... His head WILL be rolling down a flight of stairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Anything Kurt Cameron believes is true, definitely can't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Though "Zombie Jesus Day" was somewhat amusing; I wished my brother a "Happy Zombie Jesus Day" yesterday, he's just enough of a rationalist to laugh. But I dare you to go into a Mosque on whatever day the ascension of Mohammed is celebrated this year, and say "Happy Zombie Mohammed Day!" It's not like it was the first time "Zombie Jesus" was brought up on this board. I wouldn't run into a Christian church on Easter Sunday and shout "Happy Zombie Jesus Day". Live and learn I guess... As far as the Mosque thing goes, I'm not suicidal. I know he ascended into heaven or wherever, but did Mohammed ever rise from the dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 I know he ascended into heaven or wherever Was he abducted by aliens or beamed aboard the Starship Enterprise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 Was he abducted by aliens or beamed aboard the Starship Enterprise? DUDE - N-O-T COOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 25, 2011 Share Posted April 25, 2011 It's not like it was the first time "Zombie Jesus" was brought up on this board. I wouldn't run into a Christian church on Easter Sunday and shout "Happy Zombie Jesus Day". Live and learn I guess... As far as the Mosque thing goes, I'm not suicidal. I know he ascended into heaven or wherever, but did Mohammed ever rise from the dead? I was always under the impression that he died first...but now that you mention it, I'm not sure. He may have ascended instead of dying. Hell, even the Islamic scholars can't agree on how, or even if, it happened (the Orthodox Muslims believe he ascended bodily. The Rationalists believe it was a spiritual ascension, metaphorically written as a physical ascension. The Orthodoxy calls the Rationalists heathen !@#$s, the Rationalists look down on the Orthodoxy as backwards Zoroastrians. And the both agree that the one modern (*^*&%^$^#who believe that television proves the mystical nature of the Ascension, be it spiritual or physical, is, in fact, a dipshit. So it goes.) So why the !@#$ should I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 I was always under the impression that he died first...but now that you mention it, I'm not sure. He may have ascended instead of dying. Hell, even the Islamic scholars can't agree on how, or even if, it happened (the Orthodox Muslims believe he ascended bodily. The Rationalists believe it was a spiritual ascension, metaphorically written as a physical ascension. The Orthodoxy calls the Rationalists heathen !@#$s, the Rationalists look down on the Orthodoxy as backwards Zoroastrians. And the both agree that the one modern (*^*&%^$^#who believe that television proves the mystical nature of the Ascension, be it spiritual or physical, is, in fact, a dipshit. So it goes.) So why the !@#$ should I know? Hmmm...interesting. I would go ahead and follow the progression to its seeming natural conclusion and say that they're all batshit crazy for believing any of that mythological hocus pocus bull ****, but I only bag on Christianity. Every religion is crazy except for the one you believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RkFast Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 That's true. Also, having grown up Catholic, I know a lot more about Christianity and Catholicism and its particular brand of craziness. In addition, most religious people I know and come into contact with everyday are members of some brand of that Christianity, so it's just more relevant to me in general. Make no mistake, I am equally as skeptical and condescending toward just about any non-evidence-based belief system I can think of. It's probably safe to say that the more influence any such a system has on the lives and actions of people I know and care about, the more I pay attention to it. Why don't you bag on Australian politicians? Why do you seem to only aim your criticisms at liberal American politicians? You grow up Catholic and dont know that Eater is the most Holy day for one? Interesting........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted April 26, 2011 Share Posted April 26, 2011 You grow up Catholic and dont know that Eater is the most Holy day for one? Interesting........ A bit of sarcasm meant to emphasize the commercialization of Christmas. It's sometimes difficult to impart tone on the internet. I grew up reading the Lord of the Rings several times and know a lot about that too. Far more interesting IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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